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Post by skolvike on Apr 6, 2024 16:50:59 GMT -6
JJ just can't be the top QB on their Draft Board. But he may be the highest left at the 1st Vikings pick. That pick is more mystery now.....11, 23 or way higher - this move will define front office skills or lack thereof. Don't the other GMs have a say on this, or is it all Kwesi as you are saying? So if he offers 3 1st and they refuse, it's Kwesi's fault, he didn't offer enough, he sucks, and if he offers 3sts a 3rd, and a 4th, and they accept, Kwesi offered too much, he sucks. Your statement pretty set Kwesi up for perceived failure whichever way it goes down. ALso, JJ just might be at the top of their draft board. I'm all in on him if he is. I trust KAM, KOC, and the rest of the Viking staff for that decision whichever way it goes. Drafting any QB is a crap shoot as anyone knows, and I trust those guys more than any fan's opinion, including my own.
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Post by skolvike on Apr 6, 2024 16:54:51 GMT -6
JJ McCarthy last 2 years: 68.5%, 5710 passing yards, 44 tds and 9 picks. 508 rushing yards and 8 tds.
Drake Maye last 2 years: 65.0%, 7929 passing yards, 62 tds and 16 picks. 1147 rushing yards and 16 tds
Jayden Daniels last 2 years: 70%, 6725 passing yards, 57 tds and 7 picks. 2019 rushing yards and 21 tds
JJ had 645 attempts, Daniels had 715 attempts and Maye had 942 attempts.
If Daniels had the same attempts as Maye he would have had 8768 yards over the 2 years.
Conclusion: In the order I think they would draft: Daniels, Maye and then JJ.
Safest: Maye, Daniels and then JJ. Maye might be the better long term QB
More exciting: Daniels, Maye and then JJ. Daniels would bring a lot of excitement to this offense, if they can protect him and keep him upright and healthy, then he could be the long term answer as well.
If we move up, we are taking Daniels or Maye. Can JJ do more if required, unknown.
Just my thoughts. What do you think?
Maye is the riskiest with the largest ceiling. He has accuracy issues that seem to be due to focus. He either turns into Josh Allen 2.0 or he never gets fixed. That is why opinions fluctuate on him. Seems to me the one thing I hear from KOC is accuracy is his greatest attribute. If KOC sees it as an issue with Maye, that might just be the deal breaker -- always considering if there's even a choice. I wonder if accuracy issues can really be fixed since it is a fuction of vision and arm coordination.
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Post by purpletrouble on Apr 6, 2024 21:14:21 GMT -6
What about this scenario.
1. Vikings put all their chips on resurrecting Darnold
2. Draft a stud O-lineman and CB with the first round picks
Not saying its what they should do, or that they will.
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Post by purplevein on Apr 6, 2024 21:36:08 GMT -6
What about this scenario. 1. Vikings put all their chips on resurrecting Darnold 2. Draft a stud O-lineman and CB with the first round picks Not saying its what they should do, or that they will. 1. Resurrect Darnold and see if Hall can develop into a decent backup. 2. Draft a stud defensive tackle and cornerback with the two first round picks. 3. Go all in to get Sanders in 2025:
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Post by foreman44 on Apr 7, 2024 5:00:22 GMT -6
QBs are it gambles the list I posted a few back. The past 10 QBs picked where teams moved into top 5 were/are not that great. A couple could pan out.
go back in time Pat 10-20 years.. How many QBs drafted first pick, top 5, top 10 flopped and never became stars.
QBs are we the biggest gamble. The bright side is most those QBs drafted, went to crappy teams.. Brice young to the panthers. (Example) They didnβt have a JJ, an Addison, A pro bowl TE, a decent o line, or running game,
time wil tell. Truth be told. No one knows what Vikings will do, or who they will get
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Post by foreman44 on Apr 7, 2024 5:01:41 GMT -6
What about this scenario. 1. Vikings put all their chips on resurrecting Darnold 2. Draft a stud O-lineman and CB with the first round picks Not saying its what they should do, or that they will. 1. Resurrect Darnold and see if Hall can develop into a decent backup. 2. Draft a stud defensive tackle and cornerback with the two first round picks. 3. Go all in to get Sanders in 2025: View Attachment
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Post by foreman44 on Apr 7, 2024 5:04:29 GMT -6
1. Resurrect Darnold and see if Hall can develop into a decent backup. 2. Draft a stud defensive tackle and cornerback with the two first round picks. 3. Go all in to get Sanders in 2025: View AttachmentQuestion. Keenum did keenum do anything before Minn. he didnβt after, would be nice if coach o could develop Darnold
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Post by Vikeroo on Apr 7, 2024 16:06:34 GMT -6
LOL at the JJM is not dynamic or exciting enough.
that play in that moment. First he was too small he is over 6'2" and around 220. Weak arm you guys say and he ties the old combine velocity record and his pro day he is slinging 60 yarders left and right. Now it is no upside or big play ability and guy lives on outside of the pocket throws. He is a year younger then all the other guys and I guess it depends on how you view that, but generally in prospect terms things are close you go with the younger guy. For the people who want to wait until next year if JJM did not declare he would be the prohibitive #1 QB for next year if he went back to school. You guys are way to impressed by gaudy stats in gimmick offenses from the other prospects. You want tools you draft Maye, you want a running QB you draft Daniels, and if you want a guy with experience running a Pro style offense draft JJ.
As far as the Nix talk dude has same problem Mac jones had in that he doesn't have an NFL arm and that will be a problem. He might work in Denver because their HC can work with a guy like Nix. He flat out can't make all the throws to run this offense. Honestly do not think Daniels can either. I firmly believe it is JJ or Maye with Penix as plan B. Personally I think they want Maye. That said when you watch KOC address the press and then you watch JJM address the press it makes me think you might create nuclear fusion if you put those 2 in the same room. Does KOC want a guy wired like himself? I do not know the answer to that one.
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Post by iceratz16 on Apr 7, 2024 20:07:13 GMT -6
LOL at the JJM is not dynamic or exciting enough. that play in that moment. First he was too small he is over 6'2" and around 220. Weak arm you guys say and he ties the old combine velocity record and his pro day he is slinging 60 yarders left and right. Now it is no upside or big play ability and guy lives on outside of the pocket throws. He is a year younger then all the other guys and I guess it depends on how you view that, but generally in prospect terms things are close you go with the younger guy. For the people who want to wait until next year if JJM did not declare he would be the prohibitive #1 QB for next year if he went back to school. You guys are way to impressed by gaudy stats in gimmick offenses from the other prospects. You want tools you draft Maye, you want a running QB you draft Daniels, and if you want a guy with experience running a Pro style offense draft JJ. As far as the Nix talk dude has same problem Mac jones had in that he doesn't have an NFL arm and that will be a problem. He might work in Denver because their HC can work with a guy like Nix. He flat out can't make all the throws to run this offense. Honestly do not think Daniels can either. I firmly believe it is JJ or Maye with Penix as plan B. Personally I think they want Maye. That said when you watch KOC address the press and then you watch JJM address the press it makes me think you might create nuclear fusion if you put those 2 in the same room. Does KOC want a guy wired like himself? I do not know the answer to that one. Spot on and I truly think itβs gotta be JJM or bust. The kid just makes plays and I also believe he and KOC are a great match. Question, is, can the Vikings get JJM? Do others have JJM ahead of Maye and/or Daniels?
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Post by franklin99 on Apr 8, 2024 10:40:30 GMT -6
My simple analysis is this:
1) HC and GM will take a healthy risk today in order to keep their jobs for tomorrow (2026, 27, etc.). As such, expect a surprisingly aggressive move in this draft. 2) As to who the target of that aggressive move will be is designed for deception up until the pick is in on draft night.
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Post by taz24 on Apr 8, 2024 11:00:52 GMT -6
My guess is they want Daniels but know the cost might be prohibitive.
McCarthy and Penix are likely the next options depending on how the draft breaks.
I think Maye has to many issues to be rated as high on Vikings board as many analysts suggest.
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Post by purplevein on Apr 8, 2024 11:41:33 GMT -6
How far can the Vikings move up without having to include their 2025 first round pick?
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Post by iceratz16 on Apr 8, 2024 13:12:02 GMT -6
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Post by dougpaschal on Apr 8, 2024 13:50:50 GMT -6
Takeaways: Michael Penix, J.J. McCarthy Both Helping NFL Draft Stock www.si.com/nfl/2024/04/08/takeaways-michael-penix-jj-mccarthy-stefon-diggs-nfl-draftWashingtonβs Heisman finalistβs stock is, indeed, on a bit of an upswing. He had a nice pro day, no doubt. The 40-yard dash in the 4.5s, especially given the injury questions, helped, and Penix also showed, in the words of one AFC college scouting director, βHe has a super strong arm.β βThe arm talent, itβs impressive,β says an NFC exec. βCombined with running faster than most thought, he just had a good day.β On top of that, heβs come off as humble, confident, and introspective in his meetings with teams, after a six-year, two-school college career. But, as much as anything, whatβs really helped is simpler than all thatβthe coaches are now involved.
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Post by redbird87 on Apr 8, 2024 14:32:25 GMT -6
KOC loved Cousins because he was smart and accurate and I think he values those two traits more than anything else. He learned behind Tom Brady who wasnβt dynamic running the ball, didnβt have the fastest release or the biggest arm, but was accurate and smart.
Obviously the QB has to be able to make the necessary throwsβ¦. But after Williams, no QB probably is headier than McCarthy in this draft. I agree you canβt compare stats because itβs too dependent on Variables the QB canβt control.
And I agree with Roo that Danielβs, doesnβt really fit this scheme. Thatβs not saying he wonβt be successful, simply heβs not a great fit for our system. I think Maye is perhaps the best passer of the bunch after Williams, but Iβm not sold he has what it takes between the ears.
I truly think JJ is #1 on their board. Heβs the QB that makes the most sense by a mile. And to be clear, Iβm not a Michigan fan itβs just how I see the QB overall picture.
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