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Post by frantheman10 on Apr 25, 2023 12:22:33 GMT -6
draft capital needed to move up:
Pick 1-3: 2023 1st and 3rd, 2024 1st and 2025 1st
Pick 10: 2023 1st, 2023 3rd and 2024 1st
Pick 17-20: 2023 1st and 3rd.
Would you make any of those trades to get one of the top 4 guys?
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Post by RF54 on Apr 25, 2023 12:29:16 GMT -6
Nobody knows, but I doubt it.
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Post by 2012mom on Apr 25, 2023 13:45:29 GMT -6
draft capital needed to move up: Pick 1-3: 2023 1st and 3rd, 2024 1st and 2025 1st Pick 10: 2023 1st, 2023 3rd and 2024 1st Pick 17-20: 2023 1st and 3rd. Would you make any of those trades to get one of the top 4 guys? I am almost always opposed to trading away a bunch of top picks to get one unproven player, especially when the team has so many needs to improve the defense. Now, if one of the top 4 QBs drops to around 15-20, it could make sense, as that should only cost next year's second and a late round pick (in addition to 23), but I still wouldn't do it for a guy like Stroud. I don't like that he's coming out of Ohio State, especially if his S2 scores are anywhere close to correct.
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Post by folsomppe on Apr 25, 2023 14:08:18 GMT -6
draft capital needed to move up: Pick 1-3: 2023 1st and 3rd, 2024 1st and 2025 1st Pick 10: 2023 1st, 2023 3rd and 2024 1st Pick 17-20: 2023 1st and 3rd. Would you make any of those trades to get one of the top 4 guys? I am almost always opposed to trading away a bunch of top picks to get one unproven player, especially when the team has so many needs to improve the defense. Now, if one of the top 4 QBs drops to around 15-20, it could make sense, as that should only cost next year's second and a late round pick (in addition to 23), but I still wouldn't do it for a guy like Stroud. I don't like that he's coming out of Ohio State, especially if his S2 scores are anywhere close to correct. I'm with you except if Stroud falls into the 15-20 range you make that move all day long. Same with Richardson. The S2 scores don't matter so much for me. Marino had terrible scores and so did many others. Can they play football?
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Post by lunas on Apr 25, 2023 14:30:38 GMT -6
Not compared to Williams and Maye in 2024.
If you are going to give up the farm for a QB, wait a year, move up in the draft by losing more games which is probably going to happen, and increase your chance of hitting it big.
These guys remind me too much of the Newton, Gabbert, Locker, Ponder draft.
People see what they want to see out of desperation and lacking patience to play the long game. With investments, it’s always a terrible idea.
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Post by Prටudhටrn on Apr 25, 2023 14:46:34 GMT -6
Not compared to Williams and Maye in 2024. If you are going to give up the farm for a QB, wait a year, move up in the draft by losing more games which is probably going to happen, and increase your chance of hitting it big. These guys remind me too much of the Newton, Gabbert, Locker, Ponder draft. People see what they want to see out of desperation and lacking patience to play the long game. With investments, it’s always a terrible idea. Solid post!
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Post by brotherbluto on Apr 25, 2023 14:50:10 GMT -6
Not compared to Williams and Maye in 2024. If you are going to give up the farm for a QB, wait a year, move up in the draft by losing more games which is probably going to happen, and increase your chance of hitting it big. These guys remind me too much of the Newton, Gabbert, Locker, Ponder draft. People see what they want to see out of desperation and lacking patience to play the long game. With investments, it’s always a terrible idea. I agree. Not sure why more are not talking about doing that. The Vikings should have more picks next year, too. Plus, if 4 QBs go in the top ten this year, there may be less demand next year.
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Post by Pillager on Apr 25, 2023 15:03:48 GMT -6
Not compared to Williams and Maye in 2024. If you are going to give up the farm for a QB, wait a year, move up in the draft by losing more games which is probably going to happen, and increase your chance of hitting it big. These guys remind me too much of the Newton, Gabbert, Locker, Ponder draft. People see what they want to see out of desperation and lacking patience to play the long game. With investments, it’s always a terrible idea. The chances of landing Williams or Maye in a trade up will be very slim. Had either one of those guys been available this year no way Chicago would have traded out of #1 and with the high likely hood that the teams who suck bad enough to end up at picks #1 & #2 don't have a top 5 quarterback they won't be available. It's a nice thought but unless you're going to lose 13 -14 games next year that's all it is. This may be what Houston is thinking and they may be in a position to pull it off.
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Post by 2012mom on Apr 25, 2023 21:25:49 GMT -6
I am almost always opposed to trading away a bunch of top picks to get one unproven player, especially when the team has so many needs to improve the defense. Now, if one of the top 4 QBs drops to around 15-20, it could make sense, as that should only cost next year's second and a late round pick (in addition to 23), but I still wouldn't do it for a guy like Stroud. I don't like that he's coming out of Ohio State, especially if his S2 scores are anywhere close to correct. I'm with you except if Stroud falls into the 15-20 range you make that move all day long. Same with Richardson. The S2 scores don't matter so much for me. Marino had terrible scores and so did many others. Can they play football? Marino had terrible Wonderlic scores, not the S2, which wasn't around until about 2015. The two tests are very, very different. I just think that Stroud is likely to end up like pretty much all of the Ohio State QBs have. 2001 Steve Bellasari 2002 Craig Krenzel 2003 Craig Krenzel 2004 Justin Zwick 2005 Justin Zwick 2006 Troy Smith 2007 Todd Boeckman 2008 Todd Boeckman 2009 Terrelle Pryor 2010 Terrelle Pryor 2011 Joe Bauserman 2012 Braxton Miller 2013 Braxton Miller 2014 J.T. Barrett 2015 Cardale Jones 2016 J.T. Barrett 2017 J.T. Barrett 2018 Dwayne Haskins 2019 Justin Fields 2020 Justin Fields 2021 C.J. Stroud 2022 C.J. Stroud
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Post by folsomppe on Apr 25, 2023 21:33:06 GMT -6
I'm with you except if Stroud falls into the 15-20 range you make that move all day long. Same with Richardson. The S2 scores don't matter so much for me. Marino had terrible scores and so did many others. Can they play football? Marino had terrible Wonderlic scores, not the S2, which wasn't around until about 2015. The two tests are very, very different. I just think that Stroud is likely to end up like pretty much all of the Ohio State QBs have. 2001 Steve Bellasari 2002 Craig Krenzel 2003 Craig Krenzel 2004 Justin Zwick 2005 Justin Zwick 2006 Troy Smith 2007 Todd Boeckman 2008 Todd Boeckman 2009 Terrelle Pryor 2010 Terrelle Pryor 2011 Joe Bauserman 2012 Braxton Miller 2013 Braxton Miller 2014 J.T. Barrett 2015 Cardale Jones 2016 J.T. Barrett 2017 J.T. Barrett 2018 Dwayne Haskins 2019 Justin Fields 2020 Justin Fields 2021 C.J. Stroud 2022 C.J. Stroud Unfortunately I think Fields is going to be really good. I get your point though.
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Post by shawn3458 on Apr 25, 2023 21:49:07 GMT -6
Marino had terrible Wonderlic scores, not the S2, which wasn't around until about 2015. The two tests are very, very different. I just think that Stroud is likely to end up like pretty much all of the Ohio State QBs have. 2001 Steve Bellasari 2002 Craig Krenzel 2003 Craig Krenzel 2004 Justin Zwick 2005 Justin Zwick 2006 Troy Smith 2007 Todd Boeckman 2008 Todd Boeckman 2009 Terrelle Pryor 2010 Terrelle Pryor 2011 Joe Bauserman 2012 Braxton Miller 2013 Braxton Miller 2014 J.T. Barrett 2015 Cardale Jones 2016 J.T. Barrett 2017 J.T. Barrett 2018 Dwayne Haskins 2019 Justin Fields 2020 Justin Fields 2021 C.J. Stroud 2022 C.J. Stroud Unfortunately I think Fields is going to be really good. I get your point though. Stroud moves so well in the pocket, really seems to have a feel for pressure. IF he can process fast enough, he is going to be very good.
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Post by tavike on Apr 25, 2023 22:07:54 GMT -6
I am almost always opposed to trading away a bunch of top picks to get one unproven player, especially when the team has so many needs to improve the defense. Now, if one of the top 4 QBs drops to around 15-20, it could make sense, as that should only cost next year's second and a late round pick (in addition to 23), but I still wouldn't do it for a guy like Stroud. I don't like that he's coming out of Ohio State, especially if his S2 scores are anywhere close to correct. I'm with you except if Stroud falls into the 15-20 range you make that move all day long. Same with Richardson. The S2 scores don't matter so much for me. Marino had terrible scores and so did many others. Can they play football? Marino score your referring to is the wonderlic, not the s2. The wonderlic was more of an IQ test, S2 is like playing a video game.
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Post by tavike on Apr 25, 2023 22:09:58 GMT -6
Not compared to Williams and Maye in 2024. If you are going to give up the farm for a QB, wait a year, move up in the draft by losing more games which is probably going to happen, and increase your chance of hitting it big. These guys remind me too much of the Newton, Gabbert, Locker, Ponder draft. People see what they want to see out of desperation and lacking patience to play the long game. With investments, it’s always a terrible idea. Only thing is Williams will cost more than those picks because he's as close to a sure thing since Andrew Luck.
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Post by tavike on Apr 25, 2023 22:15:48 GMT -6
Unfortunately I think Fields is going to be really good. I get your point though. Stroud moves so well in the pocket, really seems to have a feel for pressure. IF he can process fast enough, he is going to be very good. Thor Nystrom said he can't see how stroud would have done so terribly on the S2 because you can see on tape that he refuses to leave the pocket in order to go through all his progressions. My thought on that, He may be going through his progressions way to slowly and had the luxury of great blocking and an inordinate about of time. But I really don't think he did that badly on the S2. We will find out Thursday.
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Post by folsomppe on Apr 25, 2023 22:23:24 GMT -6
Stroud's agent said he hasn't even taken the S2 test. Someone is lying.
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