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Post by VikingBerserker on Feb 28, 2022 14:24:32 GMT -6
So basically Zimmer was the same as many on this board -- openly complaining about Cousins inability to make winning plays and doesn't lift the team up when needed (especially when he's making that kind of money!).
I still think Zimmer hated Rick for giving Cousins that contract too and felt his defense went down the tubes in large part because they couldn't spend money on the defense due to Kirk's cap hit.
So glad Vikings have a clean slate at GM/HC but I will say I don't envy them for having to decide one way or another what to do about Kirk and his contract.
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Post by iceratz16 on Feb 28, 2022 14:28:50 GMT -6
So basically Zimmer was the same as many on this board -- openly complaining about Cousins inability to make winning plays and doesn't lift the team up when needed (especially when he's making that kind of money!).
I still think Zimmer hated Rick for giving Cousins that contract too and felt his defense went down the tubes in large part because they couldn't spend money on the defense due to Kirk's cap hit.
So glad Vikings have a clean slate at GM/HC but I will say I don't envy them for having to decide one way or another what to do about Kirk and his contract.
He openly complained about Case Keenum too by saying he had a "horseshoe up his ass". The only one he didn't complain about is Teddy. He and Teddy must have been in a relationship, otherwise it makes zero sense why the HC calls out his next two QBs. Yeah, it sucked that Teddy went down, especially when it seemed like he had turned the corner in PS, but injuries happen and it's always the next man up. A HC should be, like you said, lifting the team up, but he kept knocking it down. Who's decision was it to give Kirk the money? Was it solely Rick? If so, that's kind of a dick move to bring in a guy whom the HC doesn't want and pay him game changing money, especially when we had a guy who just led the team to the NFCCG that could have been had for far less.
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Post by JR44 on Feb 28, 2022 15:29:27 GMT -6
Everything that Zimmer stated was exactly true, despite all his physical traits, Cousins has never been able to elevate his play when it most matters and is not a team leader. I am not sure how a GM not only made the move to get Cousins, but then signed him to an extension without his head coach being onboard with the move. I can totally understand why Zimmer and Rick were not on good terms and I would have had to side with Zimmer.
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Post by VikingBerserker on Feb 28, 2022 15:34:27 GMT -6
So basically Zimmer was the same as many on this board -- openly complaining about Cousins inability to make winning plays and doesn't lift the team up when needed (especially when he's making that kind of money!).Β
I still think Zimmer hated Rick for giving Cousins that contract too and felt his defense went down the tubes in large part because they couldn't spend money on the defense due to Kirk's cap hit.Β
So glad Vikings have a clean slate at GM/HC but I will say I don't envy them for having to decide one way or another what to do about Kirk and his contract.
He openly complained about Case Keenum too by saying he had a "horseshoe up his ass".Β The only one he didn't complain about is Teddy.Β He and Teddy must have been in a relationship, otherwise it makes zero sense why the HC calls out his next two QBs.Β Yeah, it sucked that Teddy went down, especially when it seemed like he had turned the corner in PS, but injuries happen and it's always the next man up. A HC should be, like you said, lifting the team up, but he kept knocking it down. Who's decision was it to give Kirk the money?Β Was it solely Rick?Β If so, that's kind of a dick move to bring in a guy whom the HC doesn't want and pay him game changing money, especially when we had a guy who just led the team to the NFCCG that could have been had for far less. I think Case proved Zimmer right. He was given two chances to start and didnβt do well (den/was) and is now again a backup in Cleveland.
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Post by brda on Feb 28, 2022 15:36:08 GMT -6
Over time and especially when the defense turned ugly, he started pointing fingers at multiply players. Was never his fault. Instead of complaining about Cousins, he should of talked about the play calling or the defense lack of ability to hold a lead at end of half and game.
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Post by iceratz16 on Feb 28, 2022 16:19:56 GMT -6
He openly complained about Case Keenum too by saying he had a "horseshoe up his ass". The only one he didn't complain about is Teddy. He and Teddy must have been in a relationship, otherwise it makes zero sense why the HC calls out his next two QBs. Yeah, it sucked that Teddy went down, especially when it seemed like he had turned the corner in PS, but injuries happen and it's always the next man up. A HC should be, like you said, lifting the team up, but he kept knocking it down. Who's decision was it to give Kirk the money? Was it solely Rick? If so, that's kind of a dick move to bring in a guy whom the HC doesn't want and pay him game changing money, especially when we had a guy who just led the team to the NFCCG that could have been had for far less. I think Case proved Zimmer right. He was given two chances to start and didnβt do well (den/was) and is now again a backup in Cleveland. Case was with Minnesota and performed well with OUR team, not Denver or with Washington. By the way, since Peyton Manning, who was the last QB to perform well in Denver and Washington? Zimmer wasn't right about anything, other than calling out his QB to the media. He passes the buck. Case and point...how many OC's did he have working for him during his tenure in Minnesota?
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Post by RF54 on Feb 28, 2022 17:27:04 GMT -6
I still think Zimmer hated Rick for giving Cousins that contract too and felt his defense went down the tubes in large part because they couldn't spend money on the defense due to Kirk's cap hit.
Wait, what?! Thats all he spent money on year after year. Zim gave big money to defenders and brought in FA defenders.
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Post by vkngblvr on Feb 28, 2022 17:46:25 GMT -6
So basically Zimmer was the same as many on this board -- openly complaining about Cousins inability to make winning plays and doesn't lift the team up when needed (especially when he's making that kind of money!).
I still think Zimmer hated Rick for giving Cousins that contract too and felt his defense went down the tubes in large part because they couldn't spend money on the defense due to Kirk's cap hit.
So glad Vikings have a clean slate at GM/HC but I will say I don't envy them for having to decide one way or another what to do about Kirk and his contract.
He openly complained about Case Keenum too by saying he had a "horseshoe up his ass". The only one he didn't complain about is Teddy. He and Teddy must have been in a relationship, otherwise it makes zero sense why the HC calls out his next two QBs. Yeah, it sucked that Teddy went down, especially when it seemed like he had turned the corner in PS, but injuries happen and it's always the next man up. A HC should be, like you said, lifting the team up, but he kept knocking it down. Who's decision was it to give Kirk the money? Was it solely Rick? If so, that's kind of a dick move to bring in a guy whom the HC doesn't want and pay him game changing money, especially when we had a guy who just led the team to the NFCCG that could have been had for far less. The whole situation was totally dysfunctional in the end, this much is quite clear. Tough to blame 1 guy in this past mess....I think they both (Zim/Rick) own 40/40 of that shit sandwich and the Wilf's own the other 20%. Hopefully the Wilfs learned from that failed experiment.
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Post by skolvike on Feb 28, 2022 18:10:32 GMT -6
Everything that Zimmer stated was exactly true, despite all his physical traits, Cousins has never been able to elevate his play when it most matters and is not a team leader. I am not sure how a GM not only made the move to get Cousins, but then signed him to an extension without his head coach being onboard with the move. I can totally understand why Zimmer and Rick were not on good terms and I would have had to side with Zimmer. Can you tell me why he was elected a captain multiple times if he wasn't a team leader? Isn't that by vote of the players? Or are we once again hearing an opinion voiced as incontrovertible fact?
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Post by skolvike on Feb 28, 2022 18:28:09 GMT -6
All of this speculation is irrelevant, except in one context. Can you IMAGINE what this team would be like next year if this childish Chinese fire drill continued? I for one don't care who did what to whom (although it does help to pass the time talking football when nothing else is going on) but I am ecstatic knowing NEITHER of the contentious Sorority Sisters are within 1000 miles of TCO Center.
I know this matters to no one but me, but the honest to God truth is I would NOT be following the Vikings at all this offseason or next season except for the arrival of Kwesi and Kevin. I'm just not that much into masochism. I have no idea what they'll do with Cousins and I don't care. All I Do know is it won't be more of the same BULLSHIT that those two old snapping turtles had the gall to trot out every Sunday.
"SKOL" isn't a four letter word to me anymore. I'm excited about that.
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Post by lunas on Feb 28, 2022 19:26:21 GMT -6
The ability to galvanize teammates and make them betterβ¦.the ability to lead men.
This is called leadership.
It has nothing to do with arm talent or athletic ability.
Itβs the one thing Zim was looking for when he had a great defense and a QB on a rookie contract. TBβs injury ended Zimβs chance of every realizing his plan and he knew it when it happened.
I feel bad for him. There are many ways to win a championship and he tried one way. The Vikes are now trying another.
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Post by BigRussian on Feb 28, 2022 20:55:34 GMT -6
So basically Zimmer was the same as many on this board -- openly complaining about Cousins inability to make winning plays and doesn't lift the team up when needed (especially when he's making that kind of money!).
I still think Zimmer hated Rick for giving Cousins that contract too and felt his defense went down the tubes in large part because they couldn't spend money on the defense due to Kirk's cap hit.
So glad Vikings have a clean slate at GM/HC but I will say I don't envy them for having to decide one way or another what to do about Kirk and his contract.
I think its everyones fault. Zim was right about Kirk but hell he is the HC! Just proves he was interested in one side of the ball and outsourced the Offense Even some of the defensive players were done with Zim. Kirk needs to grow some balls, needs a fire under his ass and be reasonable and provide some cap room Rick should have addressed the whole situation instead of ignoring it I am done with all 3 of them -tear it down and rebuild the team
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Post by mg415 on Feb 28, 2022 21:24:42 GMT -6
Over time and especially when the defense turned ugly, he started pointing fingers at multiply players. Was never his fault. Instead of complaining about Cousins, he should of talked about the play calling or the defense lack of ability to hold a lead at end of half and game. If zim defence stopped on average one more scoring drive every 2 games how many wins would we have we? Last 2 years cousins was not the biggest problem this team had. I am not a cousins fan just looking at facts. I am glad zim is gone!!
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Post by JR44 on Feb 28, 2022 21:31:48 GMT -6
If zim defence stopped on average one more scoring drive every 2 games how many wins would we have we? Last 2 years cousins was not the biggest problem this team had. I am not a cousins fan just looking at facts. I am glad zim is gone!! How about if Cousins didn't have so many 3 and outs and consistently put the defense back out on the field? Both sides of the ball need to help each other out, there were many games that are defense was whipped, cause they just were not getting any rest in between series. Whenever we got bad Kirk the defense really suffered.
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Post by mg415 on Feb 28, 2022 21:40:29 GMT -6
If zim defence stopped on average one more scoring drive every 2 games how many wins would we have we? Last 2 years cousins was not the biggest problem this team had. I am not a cousins fan just looking at facts. I am glad zim is gone!! How about if Cousins didn't have so many 3 and outs and consistently put the defense back out on the field? Β Both sides of the ball need to help each other out, there were many games that are defense was whipped, cause they just were not getting any rest in between series. Β Whenever we got bad Kirk the defense really suffered. Β I think stopping one scoring drive every 8 quarter is not a big ask of nfl defense. How many one score games did we lose. I am in the zim lost it camp so I put the blame on weak defense. The stats say zims d really sucked the last two years.
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