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Post by mocha on Mar 2, 2022 10:27:58 GMT -6
Everything that Zimmer stated was exactly true, despite all his physical traits, Cousins has never been able to elevate his play when it most matters and is not a team leader. I am not sure how a GM not only made the move to get Cousins, but then signed him to an extension without his head coach being onboard with the move. I can totally understand why Zimmer and Rick were not on good terms and I would have had to side with Zimmer. Cousins made plenty of game winning drives but Zimmer's awful defense let the opposition score in the final minutes to lose. Zimmer's opinion of Kirk is always going to be negative because he could never score enough points to make up for the crappy defense Zimmer put together.
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Post by bosshogg on Mar 2, 2022 10:58:37 GMT -6
Zim tells us how he is so well respected around the league and everyone knows his D schemes are awesomeβ¦usually people that need to brag about themselves are typically people who feel they are not respected usually because they are really not that good
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Post by skolvike on Mar 2, 2022 18:44:54 GMT -6
If zim defence stopped on average one more scoring drive every 2 games how many wins would we have we? Last 2 years cousins was not the biggest problem this team had. I am not a cousins fan just looking at facts. I am glad zim is gone!! How about if Cousins didn't have so many 3 and outs and consistently put the defense back out on the field? Both sides of the ball need to help each other out, there were many games that are defense was whipped, cause they just were not getting any rest in between series. Whenever we got bad Kirk the defense really suffered. How the HELL would ANY QB have fewer 3 and outs with that ridiculous run run pass offense? Basically Cousins had maybe one down to make the line of gain, and even then the plays were called before the line about 75% of the time hoping YAC would get it. Unfortunately for the anti-Cousins crowd HE didn't call the plays and had no permission to change them. It goes right back to Zimmer, and DeFillipo's firing and Turner's resignation in mid-season PROVES Zimmer demanded the run run pass BS. It was his way or the highway. Cousins did what he was ORDERED to do, and you guys expected him to turn down $84,000,000 because you think you know better than your boss. How many of YOU would have sat home without pay to make a point and lose THAT kind of coin? If you would, no offense, but you've got more balls than brains.
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Post by Vikeroo on Mar 2, 2022 19:10:38 GMT -6
How about if Cousins didn't have so many 3 and outs and consistently put the defense back out on the field? Both sides of the ball need to help each other out, there were many games that are defense was whipped, cause they just were not getting any rest in between series. Whenever we got bad Kirk the defense really suffered. How the HELL would ANY QB have fewer 3 and outs with that ridiculous run run pass offense? Basically Cousins had maybe one down to make the line of gain, and even then the plays were called before the line about 75% of the time hoping YAC would get it. Unfortunately for the anti-Cousins crowd HE didn't call the plays and had no permission to change them. It goes right back to Zimmer, and DeFillipo's firing and Turner's resignation in mid-season PROVES Zimmer demanded the run run pass BS. It was his way or the highway. Cousins did what he was ORDERED to do, and you guys expected him to turn down $84,000,000 because you think you know better than your boss. How many of YOU would have sat home without pay to make a point and lose THAT kind of coin? If you would, no offense, but you've got more balls than brains. Actually Kirk threw beyond the sticks at a bit above average rate on 3rds.
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Post by flvike on Mar 2, 2022 19:29:51 GMT -6
Over the last couple of years I was critically judged on two boards for posting "Who couldn't do better?"
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Post by BigRussian on Mar 2, 2022 21:13:59 GMT -6
How about if Cousins didn't have so many 3 and outs and consistently put the defense back out on the field? Both sides of the ball need to help each other out, there were many games that are defense was whipped, cause they just were not getting any rest in between series. Whenever we got bad Kirk the defense really suffered. How the HELL would ANY QB have fewer 3 and outs with that ridiculous run run pass offense? Basically Cousins had maybe one down to make the line of gain, and even then the plays were called before the line about 75% of the time hoping YAC would get it. Unfortunately for the anti-Cousins crowd HE didn't call the plays and had no permission to change them. It goes right back to Zimmer, and DeFillipo's firing and Turner's resignation in mid-season PROVES Zimmer demanded the run run pass BS. It was his way or the highway. Cousins did what he was ORDERED to do, and you guys expected him to turn down $84,000,000 because you think you know better than your boss. How many of YOU would have sat home without pay to make a point and lose THAT kind of coin? If you would, no offense, but you've got more balls than brains. I agree with everything you said I like Kirk But its time to move on
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Post by zenzabar on Mar 2, 2022 21:50:11 GMT -6
Zim tells us how he is so well respected around the league and everyone knows his D schemes are awesomeβ¦usually people that need to brag about themselves are typically people who feel they are not respected usually because they are really not that good never heard himself brag himself up but then again i dont read everything an watch all the videos
like him or not his body of work in the nfl speaks for itself...
zimmer is one of the last i believe...there are not going to be any more lombardis or bud grants just saying...that era is over in this game
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Post by kato70s on Mar 3, 2022 9:49:24 GMT -6
Never had a bad defense.
Imo Zimmer is a long ways off from comparing to Lombardi or even Grant. Good D Coord for a pretty decent amount of time, but chose not to update his schemes (as D Coord and O.Coord overlord to multi O.C.s) or he could have had a longer run.
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Post by zenzabar on Mar 3, 2022 11:52:22 GMT -6
Never had a bad defense. Imo Zimmer is a long ways off from comparing to Lombardi or even Grant. Good D Coord for a pretty decent amount of time, but chose not to update his schemes (as D Coord and O.Coord overlord to multi O.C.s) or he could have had a longer run. was speaking of the character of the men...the old school work ethic.... no bs approach where everyone there is to do the job no excuses
lets face it now a days a HC need an assistant social worker to help with hurt feelings
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Post by drhoades on Mar 3, 2022 12:09:03 GMT -6
How the HELL would ANY QB have fewer 3 and outs with that ridiculous run run pass offense? Basically Cousins had maybe one down to make the line of gain, and even then the plays were called before the line about 75% of the time hoping YAC would get it. Unfortunately for the anti-Cousins crowd HE didn't call the plays and had no permission to change them. It goes right back to Zimmer, and DeFillipo's firing and Turner's resignation in mid-season PROVES Zimmer demanded the run run pass BS. It was his way or the highway. Cousins did what he was ORDERED to do, and you guys expected him to turn down $84,000,000 because you think you know better than your boss. How many of YOU would have sat home without pay to make a point and lose THAT kind of coin? If you would, no offense, but you've got more balls than brains. I agree with everything you said I like Kirk But its time to move on time to move on to who? ? QB is the least of the issues with this team.
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Post by kato70s on Mar 3, 2022 12:58:24 GMT -6
Never had a bad defense. Imo Zimmer is a long ways off from comparing to Lombardi or even Grant. Good D Coord for a pretty decent amount of time, but chose not to update his schemes (as D Coord and O.Coord overlord to multi O.C.s) or he could have had a longer run. was speaking of the character of the men...the old school work ethic.... no bs approach where everyone there is to do the job no excuses
lets face it now a days a HC need an assistant social worker to help with hurt feelings
nI get what you mean esp on the new coaches...social worker, bestie, etc. Unfortunately this is not just in sports industry. Zim may aspire to the super old school mold, but he's on the b team category there. Imo. He fell apart after Philly and wasn't the same since. Yes, tough disappointment and embarrassing game, but make your adjustments and find a way back. Say/demand something while you can make the changes you want to seek success, not in an article some weeks after parting ways with the team.
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Post by frantheman10 on Mar 3, 2022 13:09:36 GMT -6
was speaking of the character of the men...the old school work ethic.... no bs approach where everyone there is to do the job no excuses
lets face it now a days a HC need an assistant social worker to help with hurt feelings
n I get what you mean esp on the new coaches...social worker, bestie, etc. Unfortunately this is not just in sports industry. Zim may aspire to the super old school mold, but he's on the b team category there. Imo. He fell apart after Philly and wasn't the same since. Yes, tough disappointment and embarrassing game, but make your adjustments and find a way back. Say/demand something while you can make the changes you want to seek success, not in an article some weeks after parting ways with the team. Yeah, after the Philly game, Mike was never the same. Then Rick brought in Kirk when he didn't want him and that pissed Mike off even more. The last straw was Kirk's extension after 2019 while the team had to let go Griff, Joseph, Rhodes, Waynes, and Mac. Mike was just bitter and collecting a fat check the last two years just waiting to get fired.
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Post by skolvike on Mar 6, 2022 1:35:29 GMT -6
How the HELL would ANY QB have fewer 3 and outs with that ridiculous run run pass offense? Basically Cousins had maybe one down to make the line of gain, and even then the plays were called before the line about 75% of the time hoping YAC would get it. Unfortunately for the anti-Cousins crowd HE didn't call the plays and had no permission to change them. It goes right back to Zimmer, and DeFillipo's firing and Turner's resignation in mid-season PROVES Zimmer demanded the run run pass BS. It was his way or the highway. Cousins did what he was ORDERED to do, and you guys expected him to turn down $84,000,000 because you think you know better than your boss. How many of YOU would have sat home without pay to make a point and lose THAT kind of coin? If you would, no offense, but you've got more balls than brains. Actually Kirk threw beyond the sticks at a bit above average rate on 3rds. Really? I wonder which games I missed where he did that. He drove me crazy throwing 3 yard passes on 3rd and 5 in the ones I watched. I honestly don't knwo who or how they came up with that stat, because my eyes must have lied if it's true.
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Post by mg415 on Mar 7, 2022 10:28:59 GMT -6
I get what you mean esp on the new coaches...social worker, bestie, etc. Unfortunately this is not just in sports industry. Zim may aspire to the super old school mold, but he's on the b team category there. Imo. He fell apart after Philly and wasn't the same since. Yes, tough disappointment and embarrassing game, but make your adjustments and find a way back. Say/demand something while you can make the changes you want to seek success, not in an article some weeks after parting ways with the team. Yeah, after the Philly game, Mike was never the same. Then Rick brought in Kirk when he didn't want him and that pissed Mike off even more. The last straw was Kirk's extension after 2019 while the team had to let go Griff, Joseph, Rhodes, Waynes, and Mac. Mike was just bitter and collecting a fat check the last two years just waiting to get fired. About the time of the Philly game (2018 time frame) didn't zim start dating his model girfriend. Nothing wrong with that but maybe his new partner took away from his football time? I not offering excuse just looking at the data to see why his defense performance fell off a cliff.
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Post by iceratz16 on Mar 7, 2022 12:31:30 GMT -6
I didn't know the best thread to post this, but I found this interesting from Brady Quinn and Ben Leber conversation. Quinn points a couple things out that are quite telling from a perspective most of us fans were not thrilled with while Zim was here, in that Zim didn't prepare his offense to perform to the best of their abilities.
- Quinn mentioned if KOC can get Kirk into presnap reads better with motion and movement, drawing out the defenders schemes better, that may help speed up Cousins' decision making process and overall success of this offense even more. - Quinn thinks it's a "perfect offense" for Cousins as we look back to the Shanny days in Washington (KOC too), but we are all on pins and needles as to how KOC plans to run the play calling.
It's a short view/listen, so give it a whirl...
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