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Post by purpletrouble on Apr 11, 2024 14:40:54 GMT -6
We'll find out in 2 weeks if Kwesi has any tricks up his sleeve.
Or.....we all might have a meltdownπ€£
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Post by shawn3458 on Apr 11, 2024 14:51:20 GMT -6
So you would pass on the most important position in the NFL because you are afraid you may not have enough support for him? Absolutely. Remember guys named David Carr, Sam Bradford, or Andrew Luck? None of these rookie QBs show up wearing blue tights, red shorts, and a red cape and an S on their chests. They can't do it all. They still need a team around them or their careers are more often than not short, violent, and brutal. Build a team, then get your rook QB while he still has 5 years on his rook contract. OR....you can be the Bears, Browns, and Jets and just simply keep trotting out high pick rooks to get their heads beat into golf balls and their bodies into Jello. Look how well it's worked for them.Β They have Brissett as a bridge QB. No rookie will need to get his head beat in. Besides, Bradford was damaged goods entering the league, Luck never learned to protect himself, so Carr is about the only 1 of the three you mentioned that would fit the narrative of being ruined by lack of support.
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Post by tavike on Apr 11, 2024 15:06:05 GMT -6
Question is, is the 4th or 5th QB in the Draft worthy of the 11th pick, what also plays into the mix is Harrison, Nabers, Alt, ODunze, DeJean, Murphy, Bowers all have an impact as well. Smart money is to stand pat and either take a chance at Penix, Nix or Rattler (Penix and maybe Nix at 11, Rattler second round with trades) This draft is probably 8 QB's deep for borderline solid to great QB potential. The Bears are going with Williams there is very little doubt of that now. Washington and New england are after Maye/Daniels/Macarthy I am sure. Arizona do they give Murray targets, trade out for 11 and 23 or draft a QB, Chargers are in the catbird seat here with the possibility of Harrison, ODunze or trading the pick. The Giants if Penix is not worth 11 is he worth 6. Tennessee they spent a lot of draft capital on Levis and Willis the last 2 years they also brought in Mason Rudolph they need line support plain and simple. Atlanta nope, Chicago #2 my bet here is they chance on Odunze or Harrison. Jets well they have Erin and have wrecked more top prospect QB's then anybody sans the browns. Unenviable..... I say we sit pretty good because Darnold will certainly be better then what we trotted out last year after Kirk went down. If we don't draft a QB and suck we end up in the running for the top 4 QB's in 2025, that is what half this board clammers for all the time. "Smart money is to stand pat and either take a chance at Penix, Nix or Rattler (Penix and maybe Nix at 11, Rattler second round with trades)" This is the smart money attitude that's kept the Vikings outsdie looking in ever since Tarkenton broke his leg and hobbled off into the sunset. "Let's take another chance and settle for the 4th 5th or lower QB in 2nd 3rd 4th round because we're the Minnesota vikings and well, that's what we do." We did it with 2006: Tarvaris Jackson 64th overall, 2nd round 2007: Tyler Thigpen 217th overall, 7th round 2010: Joe Webb 199th overall, 6th round (drafted as a WR) 2008: John David Booty 137th overall, 5th round 2011: Christian Ponder 12th overall, 1st round 2014: Teddy Bridgewater 32nd overall, 1st round 2020: Nate Stanley 249th overall, 7th round 2021: Kellen Mond 66th overall, 3rd round. Do you really want to continue this ridiculous record of failure? Because Penix, Nix and Rattler are different? IN what possible way? every one of the aforementioned dud were ALSO supposed to be different, and every one of them either flamed out spectacularly or simply fizzled out like a wet cigarette. repeating the same thing over and over again isn't the "smart money," it's the "definition of insanity" money. If I could give this post 10 likes I would. This is my thinking also. Why not do something different than what you have done since your inception, since doing what you have been doing has resulted in 0 super bowl wins and no super bowl appearance since 1977.
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Post by mjollnir on Apr 11, 2024 15:10:50 GMT -6
Question is, is the 4th or 5th QB in the Draft worthy of the 11th pick, what also plays into the mix is Harrison, Nabers, Alt, ODunze, DeJean, Murphy, Bowers all have an impact as well. Smart money is to stand pat and either take a chance at Penix, Nix or Rattler (Penix and maybe Nix at 11, Rattler second round with trades) This draft is probably 8 QB's deep for borderline solid to great QB potential. The Bears are going with Williams there is very little doubt of that now. Washington and New england are after Maye/Daniels/Macarthy I am sure. Arizona do they give Murray targets, trade out for 11 and 23 or draft a QB, Chargers are in the catbird seat here with the possibility of Harrison, ODunze or trading the pick. The Giants if Penix is not worth 11 is he worth 6. Tennessee they spent a lot of draft capital on Levis and Willis the last 2 years they also brought in Mason Rudolph they need line support plain and simple. Atlanta nope, Chicago #2 my bet here is they chance on Odunze or Harrison. Jets well they have Erin and have wrecked more top prospect QB's then anybody sans the browns. Unenviable..... I say we sit pretty good because Darnold will certainly be better then what we trotted out last year after Kirk went down. If we don't draft a QB and suck we end up in the running for the top 4 QB's in 2025, that is what half this board clammers for all the time. "Smart money is to stand pat and either take a chance at Penix, Nix or Rattler (Penix and maybe Nix at 11, Rattler second round with trades)" This is the smart money attitude that's kept the Vikings outsdie looking in ever since Tarkenton broke his leg and hobbled off into the sunset. "Let's take another chance and settle for the 4th 5th or lower QB in 2nd 3rd 4th round because we're the Minnesota vikings and well, that's what we do." We did it with 2006: Tarvaris Jackson 64th overall, 2nd round 2007: Tyler Thigpen 217th overall, 7th round 2010: Joe Webb 199th overall, 6th round (drafted as a WR) 2008: John David Booty 137th overall, 5th round 2011: Christian Ponder 12th overall, 1st round 2014: Teddy Bridgewater 32nd overall, 1st round 2020: Nate Stanley 249th overall, 7th round 2021: Kellen Mond 66th overall, 3rd round. Do you really want to continue this ridiculous record of failure? Because Penix, Nix and Rattler are different? IN what possible way? every one of the aforementioned dud were ALSO supposed to be different, and every one of them either flamed out spectacularly or simply fizzled out like a wet cigarette. repeating the same thing over and over again isn't the "smart money," it's the "definition of insanity" money. 2006 QB Draft, Vince went #3, Cutler #11...Leinart and Clemens busts, we were at #17. The others you point out you would have to look at who and where we were in the contract of the starter ie they were projects that intrigued the front office. Funny you exclude guys like Culpepper, Kramer, Wilson, Gannon (sorry we traded for him but gave up the equivalent draft pick) and Brad Johnson were we stood pat and they weren't to bad. Vince Young Matt Leinart Jay Cutler Kellen Clemens Tarvaris Jackson Charlie Whitehurst Brodie Croyle Brad Smith Ingle Martin Omar Jacobs Reggie McNeal Bruce Gradkowski D.J. Shockley I am going to go against the grain and make the statement Ponder might have turned out ok if McNabb would have had anything in the tank and Ponder got to sit a year. Teddy was turning the corner and his leg nearly fell off and if I remember correctly we did trade back into the 1st to get him.
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Post by drhoades on Apr 11, 2024 15:12:38 GMT -6
"Smart money is to stand pat and either take a chance at Penix, Nix or Rattler (Penix and maybe Nix at 11, Rattler second round with trades)" This is the smart money attitude that's kept the Vikings outsdie looking in ever since Tarkenton broke his leg and hobbled off into the sunset. "Let's take another chance and settle for the 4th 5th or lower QB in 2nd 3rd 4th round because we're the Minnesota vikings and well, that's what we do." We did it with 2006: Tarvaris Jackson 64th overall, 2nd round 2007: Tyler Thigpen 217th overall, 7th round 2010: Joe Webb 199th overall, 6th round (drafted as a WR) 2008: John David Booty 137th overall, 5th round 2011: Christian Ponder 12th overall, 1st round 2014: Teddy Bridgewater 32nd overall, 1st round 2020: Nate Stanley 249th overall, 7th round 2021: Kellen Mond 66th overall, 3rd round. Do you really want to continue this ridiculous record of failure? Because Penix, Nix and Rattler are different? IN what possible way? every one of the aforementioned dud were ALSO supposed to be different, and every one of them either flamed out spectacularly or simply fizzled out like a wet cigarette. repeating the same thing over and over again isn't the "smart money," it's the "definition of insanity" money. If I could give this post 10 likes I would. This is my thinking also. Why not do something different than what you have done since your inception, since doing what you have been doing has resulted in 0 super bowl wins and no super bowl appearance since 1977. so doing what the Jets, Browns and Bears have been doing over and over and over while sucking for decades (outside of the one off years the Bears seem to get due to the horseshoe up thier rear ends) is not the definition of insanity?
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Post by tavike on Apr 11, 2024 15:19:43 GMT -6
If I could give this post 10 likes I would. This is my thinking also. Why not do something different than what you have done since your inception, since doing what you have been doing has resulted in 0 super bowl wins and no super bowl appearance since 1977. so doing what the Jets, Browns and Bears have been doing over and over and over while sucking for decades (outside of the one off years the Bears seem to get due to the horseshoe up thier rear ends) is not the definition of insanity? One difference, the jets Browns and Bears have never had an offensive supporting cast for the QB's. Also Did the jets, bears and Browns trade up into the top 10 for a QB numerous times? Either way, The Jets have won a super bowl, the Bears have been to 2 and won 1 and the browns franchise has won none, but when they moved to Baltimore they've won two.
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Post by 1angryviking on Apr 11, 2024 15:23:33 GMT -6
If I could give this post 10 likes I would. This is my thinking also. Why not do something different than what you have done since your inception, since doing what you have been doing has resulted in 0 super bowl wins and no super bowl appearance since 1977. so doing what the Jets, Browns and Bears have been doing over and over and over while sucking for decades (outside of the one off years the Bears seem to get due to the horseshoe up thier rear ends) is not the definition of insanity? The Jets, Browns and Bears have been to the postseason about 7 times, combined, over the past 25 years... the current Vikings have a much better roster than most of those squads.
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Post by legion11 on Apr 11, 2024 18:51:20 GMT -6
So you would pass on the most important position in the NFL because you are afraid you may not have enough support for him? Absolutely. Remember guys named David Carr, Sam Bradford, or Andrew Luck? None of these rookie QBs show up wearing blue tights, red shorts, and a red cape and an S on their chests. They can't do it all. They still need a team around them or their careers are more often than not short, violent, and brutal. Build a team, then get your rook QB while he still has 5 years on his rook contract. OR....you can be the Bears, Browns, and Jets and just simply keep trotting out high pick rooks to get their heads beat into golf balls and their bodies into Jello. Look how well it's worked for them. I like the strategy But... If you have a fairly solid roster sans only the QB, aren't you going to win enough games to put you out of range to get that QB? A well-built team with a journeyman QB can win 8-11 games and be picking in the 16-20 range, making it very difficult to come up far enough to get your guy, no? The Chiefs pulled it off to perfection in 2017, trading all the way up from 27 to 10, and only giving up 27, 91, and the following year's 1st rounder. That's about as good as you can do that, but I feel like teams now are savvier and would extort a much higher price. Plus it took the Bears pulling off the bonehead move of the century and trading up for Trubisky instead of Mahomes to even make that possible. I'm not sure we can formulate a strategy on everything lining up like that again.
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