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Post by dougpaschal on Apr 10, 2024 9:05:28 GMT -6
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Post by legion11 on Apr 10, 2024 9:16:02 GMT -6
Not trying to start an argument here but I'm curious why several posters think Darnold is going to be anything more than an average journeyman. He's on his 4th team in 7 years. His career TD/INT ratio is just a bit over 1:1. His completion percentage is a hair under 60%. He's not a horrible QB, but he's the definition of mediocre. I recall Patriots defenders used to laugh about facing him because of how easy it was to "make him see ghosts."
I don't see him as being significantly better or worse than Mullins over a long enough sample size. Darnold will play safer, throw less maddening interceptions, but also be more reluctant to fit it into tighter windows. But the end result will be just about the same. Ideally he's just a placeholder for about 8 games until the rookie steps in.
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Post by marshalltohof on Apr 10, 2024 9:33:44 GMT -6
I posted this in another thread, think it explains the optimism about Darnold:
He was playing pretty well last time he was starting, almost got a crappy Panthers team into the playoffs. He first struggled on a terrible Jets team then dealt with the badly coached (Matt Rhule) Panthers. Maybe he breaks out with better coaching and more talent around him, still young at 26.
"Darnold finished the 2022 season with a 4-2 record, seven touchdowns to three interceptions, and a paltry completion percentage of 58.6%. The four wins Darnold and interim head coach Steve Wilks pushed the team toward being in position for the division title if they could beat the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in Week 17. But the Panthers blew their chance after leading 21-10 in the fourth quarter and ultimately lost 30-24."
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Post by mjollnir on Apr 10, 2024 10:02:37 GMT -6
Not trying to start an argument here but I'm curious why several posters think Darnold is going to be anything more than an average journeyman. He's on his 4th team in 7 years. His career TD/INT ratio is just a bit over 1:1. His completion percentage is a hair under 60%. He's not a horrible QB, but he's the definition of mediocre. I recall Patriots defenders used to laugh about facing him because of how easy it was to "make him see ghosts." I don't see him as being significantly better or worse than Mullins over a long enough sample size. Darnold will play safer, throw less maddening interceptions, but also be more reluctant to fit it into tighter windows. But the end result will be just about the same. Ideally he's just a placeholder for about 8 games until the rookie steps in. I believe it comes down to he will have the best opportunity he has ever had. The Jets have wrecked more QB's then anyone short of the Browns. He was on a Panther team that their preferred starter went 1-5 (who caught lightning in a bottle and got his new team into the playoffs) and also started 2 other QB's beside Darnold also keep in mind this was without McCafferty. Darnold has way more arm talent then Mullins, yes his end with the Panthers looked very promising and he had a year with Shanahan who gave him big time reviews.
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Post by cougar00 on Apr 10, 2024 10:58:24 GMT -6
Not trying to start an argument here but I'm curious why several posters think Darnold is going to be anything more than an average journeyman. He's on his 4th team in 7 years. His career TD/INT ratio is just a bit over 1:1. His completion percentage is a hair under 60%. He's not a horrible QB, but he's the definition of mediocre. I recall Patriots defenders used to laugh about facing him because of how easy it was to "make him see ghosts." I don't see him as being significantly better or worse than Mullins over a long enough sample size. Darnold will play safer, throw less maddening interceptions, but also be more reluctant to fit it into tighter windows. But the end result will be just about the same. Ideally he's just a placeholder for about 8 games until the rookie steps in. I agree completely Legion, I think Darnold is just a place holder until the QB the Vikings draft is up to speed and ready to go. I think he will play fine, these will be the best weapons he has had during his time in the league.
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Post by taz24 on Apr 10, 2024 12:03:26 GMT -6
Darnold was about 20 or 21 when Pats made him see ghosts and their D Mastermind was Billichick.
Seeing ghosts is actually a phrase QBs use to convey to coaches that they are Not seeing the field clearly and do not understand the defensive reads.
So Darnold was confused by Billichick at 21. My GAWD!!!! what the fk is wrong with him. LOL.
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Post by frantheman10 on Apr 10, 2024 12:05:04 GMT -6
Not trying to start an argument here but I'm curious why several posters think Darnold is going to be anything more than an average journeyman. He's on his 4th team in 7 years. His career TD/INT ratio is just a bit over 1:1. His completion percentage is a hair under 60%. He's not a horrible QB, but he's the definition of mediocre. I recall Patriots defenders used to laugh about facing him because of how easy it was to "make him see ghosts." I don't see him as being significantly better or worse than Mullins over a long enough sample size. Darnold will play safer, throw less maddening interceptions, but also be more reluctant to fit it into tighter windows. But the end result will be just about the same. Ideally he's just a placeholder for about 8 games until the rookie steps in. I agree completely Legion, I think Darnold is just a place holder until the QB the Vikings draft is up to speed and ready to go.Β I think he will play fine, these will be the best weapons he has had during his time in the league. Itβs this little known virus called Dougitis. As soon as a player becomes a Viking, he transforms into a really good player in the eyes of those that are afflicted with the virus.
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Post by mjollnir on Apr 10, 2024 12:30:39 GMT -6
I agree completely Legion, I think Darnold is just a place holder until the QB the Vikings draft is up to speed and ready to go. I think he will play fine, these will be the best weapons he has had during his time in the league. Itβs this little known virus called Dougitis. As soon as a player becomes a Viking, he transforms into a really good player in the eyes of those that are afflicted with the virus. Better then frantheman10crumudgeonitis where nothing this team does will meet his approval.
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Post by frantheman10 on Apr 10, 2024 12:48:00 GMT -6
Itβs this little known virus called Dougitis. As soon as a player becomes a Viking, he transforms into a really good player in the eyes of those that are afflicted with the virus. Better then frantheman10crumudgeonitis where nothing this team does will meet his approval. Most times, guys are who they are. A lot of guys are drafted high and suck. Look at our recent flyers with Davenport, Reagor, Blackman, JoJuan Williams. High picks that sucked with the teams that drafted them and sucked with us. When was the last time we picked up a guy that bounced around with a few teams and suddenly became good as a Viking? Mayfield kind of did it with the Bucs but he was never as bad as Darnold. Maybe Darnold lights it up next year. I hope he does but anyone that advocates not drafting a QB high and rolling with Sam needs to get checked for a concussion.
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Post by tavike on Apr 10, 2024 13:52:22 GMT -6
I agree, I can't see how the Patriots would waste a pick on a QB without any support whatsoever for him for probably the two years. How is drafting a future franchise QB ever a waste? Passing on the opportunity to draft one is always a waste. At this point none of the QB's in the draft are franchise QB's, they are possible franchise QB's and the possibility diminishes quite a bit when you have the offensive personnel that the Patriots have.
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Post by legion11 on Apr 10, 2024 13:57:49 GMT -6
Not trying to start an argument here but I'm curious why several posters think Darnold is going to be anything more than an average journeyman. He's on his 4th team in 7 years. His career TD/INT ratio is just a bit over 1:1. His completion percentage is a hair under 60%. He's not a horrible QB, but he's the definition of mediocre. I recall Patriots defenders used to laugh about facing him because of how easy it was to "make him see ghosts." I don't see him as being significantly better or worse than Mullins over a long enough sample size. Darnold will play safer, throw less maddening interceptions, but also be more reluctant to fit it into tighter windows. But the end result will be just about the same. Ideally he's just a placeholder for about 8 games until the rookie steps in. I believe it comes down to he will have the best opportunity he has ever had.Β The Jets have wrecked more QB's then anyone short of the Browns.Β He was on a Panther team that their preferred starter went 1-5 (who caught lightning in a bottle and got his new team into the playoffs) and also started 2 other QB's beside Darnold also keep in mind this was without McCafferty.Β Darnold has way more arm talent then Mullins, yes his end with the Panthers looked very promising and he had a year with Shanahan who gave him big time reviews. I didn't see much of him with the 49ers, but his stat line looks about on par with the rest of his career. I would think that having maybe the best offensive mind in football as your HC plus a good O-Line, plus weapons like Kittle/Aiyuk/Deebo would be a great recipe for success, but his performance appeared to still be middle of the road. Keep in mind this is the same brain trust that evaluated Mullens and were fine letting him walk out the door as well. I'm not trashing the guy, I hope he puts it all together here. But unless he experiences some kind of Geno Smith/ Rich Gannon career Renaissance, I think it's only reasonable to expect a ~.500 semi-competent bridge guy. Answer this question for me and be as honest as possible: if any other team in our division had an unsettled QB situation and brought in Sam Darnold to be their presumptive starter for the 2024 season, would you grudgingly applaud that as a good move or would you laugh at them?
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Post by bigbone62 on Apr 10, 2024 14:01:59 GMT -6
Not trying to start an argument here but I'm curious why several posters think Darnold is going to be anything more than an average journeyman. He's on his 4th team in 7 years. His career TD/INT ratio is just a bit over 1:1. His completion percentage is a hair under 60%. He's not a horrible QB, but he's the definition of mediocre. I recall Patriots defenders used to laugh about facing him because of how easy it was to "make him see ghosts." I don't see him as being significantly better or worse than Mullins over a long enough sample size. Darnold will play safer, throw less maddening interceptions, but also be more reluctant to fit it into tighter windows. But the end result will be just about the same. Ideally he's just a placeholder for about 8 games until the rookie steps in. It's the absolute epitome of low risk move. I'm married to a Jets fan so have suffered through lots of Jets games. Outside of the Bears and Browns not sure there are many teams as historically bad with franchise QBs as NYJ. I guess my hope is that as a starter he hasn't exactly been surrounded by offensive weapons. He has that in MN. If he sucks the rookie QB eventually comes in and many fans get what they've been complaining about for years. If he sucks and we don't have a rookie QB we likely have a high pick next year for a QB plus the two first rounders drafted in 24. If he does well(ish) the rookie QB can sit and learn as opposed to being thrown to the wolves. Also more likely he signs a 2025 contract that garners a comp pick. Beyond that how excited were people for Case Keenum? Here we are 7 years later and still have posters complaining that he should have been brought back and the money KC got be invested into other positions.
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Post by purplevein on Apr 10, 2024 14:20:18 GMT -6
I wouldnβt be shocked if the Darnold season turns out like the McNabb season:
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Post by 1angryviking on Apr 10, 2024 14:33:34 GMT -6
I wouldn't be surprised if Darnold's season is comparable to Geno Smith's 2022 or Tannehill's 2019-2020
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Post by tavike on Apr 10, 2024 14:39:02 GMT -6
Darnold was about 20 or 21 when Pats made him see ghosts and their D Mastermind was Billichick. Seeing ghosts is actually a phrase QBs use to convey to coaches that they are Not seeing the field clearly and do not understand the defensive reads. So Darnold was confused by Billichick at 21. My GAWD!!!! what the fk is wrong with him. LOL. Wasn't Darnold a week removed from a severe case of Mono before that game?
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