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Post by mg415 on Apr 10, 2024 14:55:40 GMT -6
I wouldnโt be shocked if the Darnold season turns out like the McNabb season: There is no way Darnold is worse than McNabb. I say this knowing the Viking luck. The time McNabb played was awful by any measure.
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Post by bigbone62 on Apr 10, 2024 14:55:53 GMT -6
I believe it comes down to he will have the best opportunity he has ever had.ย The Jets have wrecked more QB's then anyone short of the Browns.ย He was on a Panther team that their preferred starter went 1-5 (who caught lightning in a bottle and got his new team into the playoffs) and also started 2 other QB's beside Darnold also keep in mind this was without McCafferty.ย Darnold has way more arm talent then Mullins, yes his end with the Panthers looked very promising and he had a year with Shanahan who gave him big time reviews. I didn't see much of him with the 49ers, but his stat line looks about on par with the rest of his career. I would think that having maybe the best offensive mind in football as your HC plus a good O-Line, plus weapons like Kittle/Aiyuk/Deebo would be a great recipe for success, but his performance appeared to still be middle of the road. Keep in mind this is the same brain trust that evaluated Mullens and were fine letting him walk out the door as well. I'm not trashing the guy, I hope he puts it all together here. But unless he experiences some kind of Geno Smith/ Rich Gannon career Renaissance, I think it's only reasonable to expect a ~.500 semi-competent bridge guy. Answer this question for me and be as honest as possible: if any other team in our division had an unsettled QB situation and brought in Sam Darnold to be their presumptive starter for the 2024 season, would you grudgingly applaud that as a good move or would you laugh at them? So your evaluation of him in SF comes solely from reading the boxscore? Context is important. Against Baltimore he came into the game late in the 4th quarter after Purdy threw his 4th int and the team was down 33-12. Trent Williams was injured and missed the second half. Williams backup was also knocked out of the game as was the starting left guard. Other starters were pulled once Darnold came in to avoid further injuries as the playoffs approached. His only start which was against the Rams McCaffrey and Kittle didn't play at all. Aiyuk and Samuel made brief appearances. Trent Williams played one quarter. By the start of the second half 3 of 5 olineman were backups. However in his first drive with starters on the field he lead a 12 play 75 yard scoring drive that took half the quarter. He was 5/5 for 50 yards on said drive. At halftime niners were up 20-7 and had 275 yards of offense. Niners lost 20-21 thanks to missed PAT and 38 yard field goal by Moody. Beyond the above it's disingenuous to say that since the same brain trust that let Mullins walk let Sam walk, that they didn't want him. We have no idea if they approached him or not to come back. Not that it would've likely mattered because he wouldn't have received the same amount of cash from SF and more importantly wasn't going to be a starter. I'd like to think Sam is a competitor and wanted to get back to being a starter
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Post by purplevein on Apr 10, 2024 15:07:18 GMT -6
I wouldnโt be shocked if the Darnold season turns out like the McNabb season: There is no way Darnold is worse than McNabb. I say this knowing the Viking luck. The time McNabb played was awful by any measure. I just meant that I would not be shocked to see the rookie first round pick quarterback taking over as the starter before the end of the season.
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Post by shawn3458 on Apr 10, 2024 15:33:25 GMT -6
How is drafting a future franchise QB ever a waste? Passing on the opportunity to draft one is always a waste. At this point none of the QB's in the draft are franchise QB's, they are possible franchise QB's and the possibility diminishes quite a bit when you have the offensive personnel that the Patriots have.ย ย So you would pass on the most important position in the NFL because you are afraid you may not have enough support for him?
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Post by mjollnir on Apr 10, 2024 15:45:32 GMT -6
I believe it comes down to he will have the best opportunity he has ever had. The Jets have wrecked more QB's then anyone short of the Browns. He was on a Panther team that their preferred starter went 1-5 (who caught lightning in a bottle and got his new team into the playoffs) and also started 2 other QB's beside Darnold also keep in mind this was without McCafferty. Darnold has way more arm talent then Mullins, yes his end with the Panthers looked very promising and he had a year with Shanahan who gave him big time reviews. I didn't see much of him with the 49ers, but his stat line looks about on par with the rest of his career. I would think that having maybe the best offensive mind in football as your HC plus a good O-Line, plus weapons like Kittle/Aiyuk/Deebo would be a great recipe for success, but his performance appeared to still be middle of the road. Keep in mind this is the same brain trust that evaluated Mullens and were fine letting him walk out the door as well. I'm not trashing the guy, I hope he puts it all together here. But unless he experiences some kind of Geno Smith/ Rich Gannon career Renaissance, I think it's only reasonable to expect a ~.500 semi-competent bridge guy. Answer this question for me and be as honest as possible: if any other team in our division had an unsettled QB situation and brought in Sam Darnold to be their presumptive starter for the 2024 season, would you grudgingly applaud that as a good move or would you laugh at them? Darnold played (61) snaps. Deboo (20) and Aiyuk (23) played less than half the offensive snaps in that game, Kittle did not play, MacCaffery did not play. Hell only 2 on the line (Burford and Banks) played the entire game and one of the reserves that came in gave up 5 pressures, 4 hurries and a sack.
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Post by purpleberserker on Apr 10, 2024 16:02:06 GMT -6
Answer this question for me and be as honest as possible: if any other team in our division had an unsettled QB situation and brought in Sam Darnold to be their presumptive starter for the 2024 season, would you grudgingly applaud that as a good move or would you laugh at them? Based upon our history, I would figure that he'd come into US Bank and light up the Vikings.ย And, I'd figure that it would be just our luck that he would go to a division foe and turn into the next coming for them.ย (But, I may have PTSD - Purple Traumatic Stress Disorder).
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Post by shawn3458 on Apr 10, 2024 16:10:36 GMT -6
Answer this question for me and be as honest as possible: if any other team in our division had an unsettled QB situation and brought in Sam Darnold to be their presumptive starter for the 2024 season, would you grudgingly applaud that as a good move or would you laugh at them? The laughter would be deafening.
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Post by legion11 on Apr 10, 2024 16:17:23 GMT -6
So your evaluation of him in SF comes solely from reading the boxscore? Context is important. Agreed. That's why I was very upfront when I said that in line 1. I don't have unlimited time to watch every game. But it seems like there is always an excuse. He was too young. He didn't have enough weapons. Several starters got pulled. Mercury was in retrograde. I see a guy who's results are remarkably consistent JAG-type numbers wherever his destination or situation. I hope he's outstanding and you guys use this post to tear me apart at the end of the season. But almost always a guy is just who we thought he was.
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Post by mg415 on Apr 10, 2024 16:38:31 GMT -6
There is no way Darnold is worse than McNabb. I say this knowing the Viking luck. The time McNabb played was awful by any measure. I just meant that I would not be shocked to see the rookie first round pick quarterback taking over as the starter before the end of the season. I understand I could not resist the chance to kick McNabb one more time
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Post by tavike on Apr 10, 2024 16:47:07 GMT -6
At this point none of the QB's in the draft are franchise QB's, they are possible franchise QB's and the possibility diminishes quite a bit when you have the offensive personnel that the Patriots have. So you would pass on the most important position in the NFL because you are afraid you may not have enough support for him? "May not"... no, but "absolutely don't", if it's not Caleb Williams and I'm a defense first head coach, and I'm getting offered multiple first round picks, than yes I'm passing. BTw I think the Patriots pull the trigger for Jayden Daniels, but none of the others.
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Post by taz24 on Apr 10, 2024 17:57:42 GMT -6
Darnold is the same age as Jaren Hall.
Maybe give him a fkn chance.
If he bombs and we lose a bunch of games it will be in effect the tank half this board has wanted. IMO he will be fine.
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Post by purpletrouble on Apr 10, 2024 18:22:37 GMT -6
If the vikings are truly committed to a top tier QB, they will have to overpay by moving up, or, possibly end up with a Ponder 2.0 type of QB by staying put.
Decisions, decisions.
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Post by taz24 on Apr 10, 2024 18:27:26 GMT -6
To be fair Penix who might be available at 11 is a MUCH better prospect than Popgun Ponder ever was. NOT even close. His tape is soooo much better it is laughable.
Nix and Rattler are also better prospects and they certainly have superior arms.
Ponder was a huge reach and not pertinent to this draft.
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Post by shawn3458 on Apr 10, 2024 19:57:39 GMT -6
So you would pass on the most important position in the NFL because you are afraid you may not have enough support for him? "May not"... no, but "absolutely don't", if it's not Caleb Williams and I'm a defense first head coach, and I'm getting offered multiple first round picks, than yes I'm passing. BTw I think the Patriots pull the trigger for Jayden Daniels, but none of the others.ย ย Considering the Patriots situation, they are likely to be picking very high next year regardless of who they pick this year. Iโm still in the camp of taking the shot this year at QB. If you get the right guy, trade away next year to help fill in the rest of the team. Look how fast the Texans appeared to have filled in around Stroud. Besides, QBs have longer careers than other positions. Get the QB right first, the rest should be much easier.
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Post by Vikeroo on Apr 10, 2024 21:51:52 GMT -6
"May not"... no, but "absolutely don't", if it's not Caleb Williams and I'm a defense first head coach, and I'm getting offered multiple first round picks, than yes I'm passing. BTw I think the Patriots pull the trigger for Jayden Daniels, but none of the others. Considering the Patriots situation, they are likely to be picking very high next year regardless of who they pick this year. Iโm still in the camp of taking the shot this year at QB. If you get the right guy, trade away next year to help fill in the rest of the team. Look how fast the Texans appeared to have filled in around Stroud. Besides, QBs have longer careers than other positions. Get the QB right first, the rest should be much easier. Houston had an OL and some weapons though in house to begin with. Patriots do not. Just like it is hard to decide where Young is at with Carolina because their roster is bad. You can Carr a young QB by setting him in a bad situation. Guys that have succeeded recently have went into much better situations except maybe Herbert who had weapons, but they have tried building the OL after the fact. Bengals actually wnet out and did a lot of work in free agency right before they drafted Burrow. Houston had an OL and brought in some TE's and RB's in free agency to help. Patriots did not add much and did not have much to start with. Has there been anyone since Manning that has went to a really bad team and worked through it? Don't say Luck because that was a playoff team the year before they tanked and they had Manning out and tanked intentionally. I mean Bengals were bad but had weapons and rebuilt their OL with cap space a bit (Burrow is always hurt also and that in part is because his OL has been a work in progress). I mean Jackson went to a good team, Hurts to a good team, Mahomes went to a good team, and on and on. Maybe Josh Allen, but then he might have already lost a couple years off the back end of his career because of the beating he took. Maybe Stafford, but he has probably lost some longevity because of the beating he took. I am one of these 6 QB's I would want to go to Chicago or Minnesota where there are some pieces in place. Denver, Vegas, Washington, and Patriots are dumpster fires. Maybe the Giants might work as they have a couple OL and an offensive HC, but they lack dynamic weapons.
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