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Post by blackmagic7 on Apr 14, 2024 21:30:38 GMT -6
That guy is a great listen. Thanks for sharing it. I watched this one and it was pretty awesome too:
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Post by redbird87 on Apr 16, 2024 8:47:58 GMT -6
Early on I had favorites in this race, but I've almost reached the point of not caring which QB we take so long as it isn't Nix, just as long as we don't give up 3 1st to get them. You can make an argument that each has shown attributes that could make them highly successful to great and each has enough flaws/question marks that they could be the next Zach Wilson or Darnald. Based on all the tape I've watched, analyst breakdowns etc, I am kind of in the camp that what teams these guys go to will be the biggest determining factor in which ones are successful and which ones aren't. If that is the case, then take who falls to you or only move up modestly if needed and use keep your draft capital to improve the rest of your roster.
I saw reports yesterday that the Vikings are looking to move up, but don't want to give up the 23rd pick to do so since they wouldn't draft again until Rd. 4. So it looks like Kwesi and co. realize they need more than 1 player coming out of this draft to be a difference maker. That would be the best news I've heard all offseason.
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Post by mgb8 on Apr 16, 2024 9:40:05 GMT -6
They all have flaws or concerns.
Maye worries me the most - big boom bust issue, is he a Darnold-like β1 read QBβ?
Daniels is kind of similar to Maye in terms of inconsistency issues, but better (if more slender) athlete, maybe less βbad film.β
McCarthyβs YouTubeβs look good but total production / offense design questions, and somewhat smaller than ideal. Also, some questions about ar, strength from film (though there is plenty of evidence that he has an NFL arm).
Pennix has the injury questions.
Nix has big system questions plus some consistency issues himself, as well as McCarthy type size.
Anyway, no idea who of the above will end up better than the others, who will be great, who will bust, etc. They will likely be able to get 1 of the above at 11, but likely will have to pay to move up to get one of the ones they value more than the others. Just hope they donβt lose to much in terms of assets.
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Post by purplevein on Apr 16, 2024 11:32:03 GMT -6
There is a strategy of letting the draft play out and fall to them. I think the Giants at pick number 6 are bluffing about taking a quarterback and will pick a wide receiver. There is the threat of the Broncos or Raiders leapfrogging the Vikings, so Iβd be ok trading up to pick number seven with the Titans as they are most likely looking for an offensive lineman, and they can still get a good one at pick eleven.
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Post by redbird87 on Apr 16, 2024 14:27:22 GMT -6
There is a strategy of letting the draft play out and fall to them. I think the Giants at pick number 6 are bluffing about taking a quarterback and will pick a wide receiver. There is the threat of the Broncos or Raiders leapfrogging the Vikings, so Iβd be ok trading up to pick number seven with the Titans as they are most likely looking for an offensive lineman, and they can still get a good one at pick eleven. I can get on board with that a lot easier than trading up for #3 and I really donβt think #5 is realistic unless we offered the farm. I donβt see Harbaugh doing us any favors.
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Post by shawn3458 on Apr 16, 2024 15:41:33 GMT -6
There is a strategy of letting the draft play out and fall to them. I think the Giants at pick number 6 are bluffing about taking a quarterback and will pick a wide receiver. There is the threat of the Broncos or Raiders leapfrogging the Vikings, so Iβd be ok trading up to pick number seven with the Titans as they are most likely looking for an offensive lineman, and they can still get a good one at pick eleven. I can get on board with that a lot easier than trading up for #3 and I really donβt think #5 is realistic unless we offered the farm. I donβt see Harbaugh doing us any favors. I think 5 is the high spot, 7 is the low if the Vikes are determined to move up. Iβm not sold on the Giants taking a QB. I suppose the Vikes could make a small move up if a QB they like is still there after7 just to keep someone from leap-frogging them.
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Post by tavike on Apr 16, 2024 16:02:46 GMT -6
Early on I had favorites in this race, but I've almost reached the point of not caring which QB we take so long as it isn't Nix, just as long as we don't give up 3 1st to get them. You can make an argument that each has shown attributes that could make them highly successful to great and each has enough flaws/question marks that they could be the next Zach Wilson or Darnald. Based on all the tape I've watched, analyst breakdowns etc, I am kind of in the camp that what teams these guys go to will be the biggest determining factor in which ones are successful and which ones aren't. If that is the case, then take who falls to you or only move up modestly if needed and use keep your draft capital to improve the rest of your roster. I saw reports yesterday that the Vikings are looking to move up, but don't want to give up the 23rd pick to do so since they wouldn't draft again until Rd. 4. So it looks like Kwesi and co. realize they need more than 1 player coming out of this draft to be a difference maker. That would be the best news I've heard all offseason. I agree with you on Nix. About the Vikes not wanting to give up the 23rd pick, I think that is posturing. I think they want to create doubt in the minds of teams that were thinking they were going to trade back and get a crapload from the Vikes. It's a psychological battle. This way maybe they don't have to trade that future 1st.
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Post by jaxvike on Apr 16, 2024 17:45:25 GMT -6
Personally I want us to want Penix or Nix, and be willing to trade down from 11, pick up more draft capital and draft penix or Nix at 23 or whatever we trade 11 back to. There will be teams needing OT help eager to over pay to get their guy. If we can drop to 15 to 16 range and pick up a 2nd or 3rd, I'd rather that than give up both firsts for McCarthy, if it is for Maye or Daniel's be opinion changes cause O think both are much more NFL ready and have higher ceilings than JJ.
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Post by taz24 on Apr 16, 2024 19:33:47 GMT -6
Tough evaluating QBs and so IMO a lot would depend on their board.
If they really, really like a prospect and believe in them I don't really care what picks they have to trade to get it done.
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Post by blackmagic7 on Apr 16, 2024 22:34:01 GMT -6
doesn't the leapfrog logic work in the backend of the 1st round too? If we can get leapfrogged at 11, why wouldn't we be a target at 23?
How about trade out from 11 for a later 1st and 2nd round pick (and some extras). With pick 23 and something 20-32, we could snipe our QB by offering the 23 with 2nd to move back up while picking up a 3rd and some extras.
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Post by iceratz16 on Apr 17, 2024 6:20:44 GMT -6
Dream scenario for me would be that JJM falls to 11 and we keep 23 and select Cooper Beebe OG from KSU.
I wonder if that is more of why the Vikings agreed to trade back into the first. While Beebe has been all over the place in draft simulators and pundits boards, I still believe he is one of the best, if not the best G in the draft and should be selected in the first.
Maybe the Vikings like Penix and believe he will fall to 11 or truly will be staying put to select their QB and have done this as pure speculation and spoke screen for everyone to discuss prior to the draft as some have discussed.
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Post by frantheman10 on Apr 17, 2024 8:26:42 GMT -6
I can get on board with that a lot easier than trading up for #3 and I really donβt think #5 is realistic unless we offered the farm. I donβt see Harbaugh doing us any favors. I think 5 is the high spot, 7 is the low if the Vikes are determined to move up. Iβm not sold on the Giants taking a QB. I suppose the Vikes could make a small move up if a QB they like is still there after7 just to keep someone from leap-frogging them. This would be a good scenario, trading with the Titans. According to the draft points board, 11 + 23 = 7 + 38. Get JJM at 7 and another good player for trenches at 38. But you are hoping that Den or LV donβt trade up to 5 or that the Giants donβt take JJM at 6.
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Post by dougpaschal on Apr 17, 2024 11:40:39 GMT -6
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Post by dougpaschal on Apr 17, 2024 16:27:56 GMT -6
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Post by avguy on Apr 17, 2024 18:09:44 GMT -6
Very Good reads here on a bunch of guys with several day 2-3 picks included! Bookmark it in case the Vikes disappoint and pick a project guy with a later pick.
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