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Post by iceratz16 on Apr 1, 2024 14:54:46 GMT -6
Serious answer. I know he throws left handed Itβs very rare so they always mention it. Itβs one of the first things Oh my
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Post by PrΰΆ§udhΰΆ§rn on Apr 1, 2024 16:11:47 GMT -6
Haven't confirmed from a real source yet but :
Washington QB Michael Penix Jr. had dinner with the #Giants after his Pro Day, followed by a private workout with the #Vikings, per @schultz_Report
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Post by Vikeroo on Apr 1, 2024 17:29:41 GMT -6
Serious answer. I know he throws left handed Itβs very rare so they always mention it. Itβs one of the first things They mention it because you have to flip your offense around. Blind side becomes opposite side, predominant roll out side becomes opposite side., in line TE/H Back/ 3rd WR usually go to opposite sides, usually set X receiver up on right instead of left side, dominant hand off side is to QB's right instead of QB's left... You adjust a lot of things with a left handed QB. Do you switch your OT's or let them stay at their natural spots? Heavy side would usually be to the left which means you probably change to a run heavy left side approach. Not rocket science, but a ot of little changes have to be made.
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Post by dougpaschal on Apr 1, 2024 20:16:56 GMT -6
Itβs very rare so they always mention it. Itβs one of the first things They mention it because you have to flip your offense around. Blind side becomes opposite side, predominant roll out side becomes opposite side., in line TE/H Back/ 3rd WR usually go to opposite sides, usually set X receiver up on right instead of left side, dominant hand off side is to QB's right instead of QB's left... You adjust a lot of things with a left handed QB. Do you switch your OT's or let them stay at their natural spots? Heavy side would usually be to the left which means you probably change to a run heavy left side approach. Not rocket science, but a ot of little changes have to be made. I havenβt seen this mentioned as a potential problem. Anywhere. I definitely see how it would be an adjustment for everyone
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Post by 1angryviking on Apr 1, 2024 20:40:32 GMT -6
Itβs very rare so they always mention it. Itβs one of the first things They mention it because you have to flip your offense around. Blind side becomes opposite side, predominant roll out side becomes opposite side., in line TE/H Back/ 3rd WR usually go to opposite sides, usually set X receiver up on right instead of left side, dominant hand off side is to QB's right instead of QB's left... You adjust a lot of things with a left handed QB. Do you switch your OT's or let them stay at their natural spots? Heavy side would usually be to the left which means you probably change to a run heavy left side approach. Not rocket science, but a ot of little changes have to be made. Personally, I'm not sold on Penix; but, I think the left handed thing is much ado about nothing and would only be brought up by talking heads trying to fill air time. - O'Neil is a really good RT - WR routes don't change - QB's regularly throw to both sidelines - Running lanes don't change - TE's will continue to lineup on both sides of the line - Defenses won't flip-flop personnel based off the QB's dominant hand - The only thing that really changes is preferred roll out plays IMO - if it's a big deal for the offense familiar with their left handed QB... it's a bigger deal for defenses to make that adjustment.
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Post by Vikeroo on Apr 1, 2024 21:38:39 GMT -6
They mention it because you have to flip your offense around. Blind side becomes opposite side, predominant roll out side becomes opposite side., in line TE/H Back/ 3rd WR usually go to opposite sides, usually set X receiver up on right instead of left side, dominant hand off side is to QB's right instead of QB's left... You adjust a lot of things with a left handed QB. Do you switch your OT's or let them stay at their natural spots? Heavy side would usually be to the left which means you probably change to a run heavy left side approach. Not rocket science, but a ot of little changes have to be made. Personally, I'm not sold on Penix; but, I think the left handed thing is much ado about nothing and would only be brought up by talking heads trying to fill air time. - O'Neil is a really good RT - WR routes don't change - QB's regularly throw to both sidelines - Running lanes don't change - TE's will continue to lineup on both sides of the line - Defenses won't flip-flop personnel based off the QB's dominant hand - The only thing that really changes is preferred roll out plays IMO - if it's a big deal for the offense familiar with their left handed QB... it's a bigger deal for defenses to make that adjustment. The biggest change would be rolling to the left most of the time vs rolling right and most setups are for multiple receivers generally on the roll side and most QB's make the majority of their throws to their roll side. You are basically mirror imaging your offense. Defenses would many times flip their dominant pass rusher to the other side and their bext CB probably lines up on the other side. Then maybe some would not. Some CB's do player assignment, but some play always on their side of the field. In the NFL most plays tend to be right side dominant, most formations right side dominant, and many other things because QB's tend to be right handed. It would look different just because you are used to a QB rolling right most of the time, screen game being right side dominant, and running game being right side dominant. Still same game and same plays, but it changes the footwork a bit for OL in situations.
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Post by avguy on Apr 1, 2024 23:03:23 GMT -6
10 Greatest Left-Handed NFL QBs ranked.
I'm not totally in with Penix as a choice, but will have a curious factor as a lefty myself. The breakdown is technically sound above here, and very well thought. But even in my past, just as a recreational sports person, I have found left-handed sometimes benefit me. In racquetball, I could keep up with better players longer because I was serving and striking from the walls different than most were used to. In Bowling, the left side of the lanes are less worn. I only golf right-handed due to club availability back in the 70's, but now can create power there envisioning the left front hand in my swing more as a vicious backhanded frisbee whip thru the ball area. So, if he does don Purple again as a Viking, maybe the turned around offense can misdirect some Defenses just enough to overtake any talent shortages he and the offense have to use it as a big gain!
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Post by 1angryviking on Apr 1, 2024 23:44:21 GMT -6
Personally, I'm not sold on Penix; but, I think the left handed thing is much ado about nothing and would only be brought up by talking heads trying to fill air time. - O'Neil is a really good RT - WR routes don't change - QB's regularly throw to both sidelines - Running lanes don't change - TE's will continue to lineup on both sides of the line - Defenses won't flip-flop personnel based off the QB's dominant hand - The only thing that really changes is preferred roll out plays IMO - if it's a big deal for the offense familiar with their left handed QB... it's a bigger deal for defenses to make that adjustment. The biggest change would be rolling to the left most of the time vs rolling right and most setups are for multiple receivers generally on the roll side and most QB's make the majority of their throws to their roll side. You are basically mirror imaging your offense. Defenses would many times flip their dominant pass rusher to the other side and their bext CB probably lines up on the other side. Then maybe some would not. Some CB's do player assignment, but some play always on their side of the field. In the NFL most plays tend to be right side dominant, most formations right side dominant, and many other things because QB's tend to be right handed. It would look different just because you are used to a QB rolling right most of the time, screen game being right side dominant, and running game being right side dominant. Still same game and same plays, but it changes the footwork a bit for OL in situations. I'm not advocating for Penix; but I don't see it where a left-handed QB is a problem for the team. - The ideal pass protection and pocket will look the same for the OL... the first step for OT's holding the edge remains the same - Teams are going to tend to run the ball to their best run blocking side... but run to both sides nonetheless - Very few CB's or Edge players rotate from side to side. For instance, as good as Hunter is... I don't remember him ever flipping sides. Once again, if there is any degree of difficulty in playing a left-handed QB, I think it's more difficult for the defense to make the weekly adjustment versus the offense that is already steeped in it.
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Post by mjollnir on Apr 2, 2024 6:58:29 GMT -6
The league has had some pretty good Left Handed QB's. For Steve Young (Lefty) and Joe Montana (Righty) the LT was Steve Wallace Right Tackle was Harrison Barton. For the Vikings Ron Yary and Ed White manned up the Right side. The biggest issue is the perception of the protecting the QB's back side. I would say the inverse is now true because the reality is with the blitz happy schemes and exotic defenses now employed solid fundamentals is the biggest key.
Steve Young Ken Stabler Mike Vick Boomer Esiason Mark Brunell Jim Zorn
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Post by purpleberserker on Apr 2, 2024 8:02:07 GMT -6
The league has had some pretty good Left Handed QB's. For Steve Young (Lefty) and Joe Montana (Righty) the LT was Steve Wallace Right Tackle was Harrison Barton. For the Vikings Ron Yary and Ed White manned up the Right side. The biggest issue is the perception of the protecting the QB's back side. I would say the inverse is now true because the reality is with the blitz happy schemes and exotic defenses now employed solid fundamentals is the biggest key. Steve Young Ken Stabler Mike Vick Boomer Esiason Mark Brunell Jim Zorn Don't forget Tua Tagovailoa.
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Post by purplevein on Apr 2, 2024 8:25:37 GMT -6
He has a Super Bowl ring:
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Post by brick on Apr 2, 2024 9:34:17 GMT -6
Penix intrigued me until I watched his last college game. Probably not fair but it is what it is.
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Post by wolfpack87 on Apr 2, 2024 9:51:35 GMT -6
Penix intrigued me until I watched his last college game. Probably not fair but it is what it is. I think it's fair because it's the first real defense he played all year. Missed several throws, missed several reads. It doesn't get any easier in the NFL, thats for sure. EVERY team has defensive talent, just some more than others.
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Post by savageviking on Apr 2, 2024 11:11:25 GMT -6
Penix intrigued me until I watched his last college game. Probably not fair but it is what it is.Β Β I think it's fair because it's the first real defense he played all year. Missed several throws, missed several reads.Β It doesn't get any easier in the NFL, thats for sure. EVERY team has defensive talent, just some more than others.Β How did Williams look his last 5 games when USC went 1-4? How did he do head to head vs Pennix? How did Williams do head to head vs Nix. All 3 were in the same Conference. Does that mean Williams and Nix never faced a real Def all year?
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Post by brick on Apr 2, 2024 12:09:48 GMT -6
I think it's fair because it's the first real defense he played all year. Missed several throws, missed several reads. It doesn't get any easier in the NFL, thats for sure. EVERY team has defensive talent, just some more than others. How did Williams look his last 5 games when USC went 1-4? How did he do head to head vs Pennix? How did Williams do head to head vs Nix. All 3 were in the same Conference. Does that mean Williams and Nix never faced a real Def all year? Williams actually had a better game than Penix head-to-head. Huskies won the game, but they should have because SC was a bad team with an even worse defense. Williams had 77% completion rate in the game, throwing for 316 yards, 3 TDs, no picks. Penix threw for 256 yards, 2 TDs, 1 pick.
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