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Post by tavike on Mar 15, 2024 11:46:15 GMT -6
This move set us up for a lot more options. Like it. Very surprised so many people are ripping Kwesi for setting the vikes up for a trade up to get their targeted QB. I guess it's cause this team as been so successful not doing that since their inception.
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Post by tavike on Mar 15, 2024 11:47:56 GMT -6
Not changing my mind what I would do, which is stay put, but if they feel they can get a franchise qb than go for it and develop him! This is why I'd trade Jefferson now because it's going to take 2 yrs to develop that qb By two years are you saying 2026 or next year to develop and start in 2025. JJ is pretty young.
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Post by tavike on Mar 15, 2024 11:50:31 GMT -6
Trade to #5 and take JJ. Vikings won't be relevant for 3 yrs, but if they feel he can be a franchise Qb, go for it! They were relevant the when Ponder started. So I think they can be relevant in 2025 if JJ is starting. They have a ton of cap space next year to create a great roster. This team is set up for success in 2025 and I think we should all be happy about that.
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Post by tavike on Mar 15, 2024 11:52:44 GMT -6
Just like it was obvious that in the real world, Kirk would go for a lot more than anyone was speculating, itβs obvious that itβs going to cost a LOT more to move up than people are imagining. And we will pay it. Be prepared for current 2 firsts plus at least one future 1st & more to get into the top 3. Because all 3 need a QB and those 3 are better, I think Vikings give way more than the Trey Lance pick package, something like both 1sts this year, and 2 future 1sts, and get maybe some lower picks back. This seems inevitable to me now. I think they just want to see who is there left on the board at#3. ya, and without the golden horseshoe up thier hind end how did the Lance thing workout? and the RG3 thing, and the Gabbert thing and the Trubisky and the Rosen and the Darnold etc etc etc etc How as it worked out for the past 50 years for the vikings not trading up for a QB.
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Post by mg415 on Mar 15, 2024 11:58:35 GMT -6
Part of me is happy to see GM is looking to swing for the fences. The NFL is a qb driven game now.
It might just work. That was a purple kool aid fuled comment.
I have not seen any public info if any of the top five teams would be willing to move down.
The chargers seem to be the "best" possibly willing to trade with us.
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Post by wiscovike on Mar 15, 2024 11:59:14 GMT -6
ya, and without the golden horseshoe up thier hind end how did the Lance thing workout? and the RG3 thing, and the Gabbert thing and the Trubisky and the Rosen and the Darnold etc etc etc etc and the Burrow thing, Josh Allen thing, Mahomes thing, Tua thing, Stroud thing, Lawrence thing, etc, etc, etc, what did Gretzky say?Β You miss 100% of the shots you never take.Β Β Yes. The clearest path to the Super Bowl βfrom scratchβ is a 4th year rookie QB still on their rookie deal. That makes everything else work. Additionally you only remain consistently competitive over the ong term if the QB piece is fortified. You have to take the shot if you want to be a top tier NFL franchise. No other path.
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Post by xfactor on Mar 15, 2024 12:02:33 GMT -6
Unless Darnold shows he can play at a higher level I think you need whoever we draft to be ready to start after a year of learning.
And to be a SB contender you have to develop through the draft to a good degree. Buying a team is fine, but you need young draft picks, too.
We won't mind if Kwesi gives up draft capital if he gets it RIGHT, but so far his drafts have been far from stellar. This is why people are a bit afraid of what he does. Has he learned from his 2 previous drafts??
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Post by bigbone62 on Mar 15, 2024 12:23:12 GMT -6
This move set us up for a lot more options.Β Like it. Very surprised so many people are ripping Kwesi for setting the vikes up for a trade up to get their targeted QB.Β I guess it's cause this team as been so successful not doing that since their inception.Β What I'm getting a kick out of is the mental gymnastics certain posters are doing to shit on the moves made this week. Moves they have been droning on about for years needing to be made. Obviously it's all dependent on them getting that QB. But man if this week hasn't been prime example of KAM being damned if he does damned if he doesn't I don't know what it.
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Post by vr46 on Mar 15, 2024 12:47:13 GMT -6
As opposed to the brilliance on this board.Β Β Yeah right mommy called Suppers ready step away from Madden and go eat.Β It always helps when you're denigrating the intelligence of others to randomly capitalize words and forgo punctuation almost entirely.
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Post by eagerowl on Mar 15, 2024 12:53:15 GMT -6
I'm just not seeing how our 2 first rounders are going to fuel a move to the top 3 for a QB. Even if we add more picks for next year, I doubt CHI, WAS, NE are going to trade out of their picks given their needs at QB. If McCarthy is there at 11 I'd be fine with taking him...but Denver right behind us scares me and I think it would be easy to fleece the Vikes in a move up to prevent DEN from doing the same to get their QB. I'd rather not play that game...let them take the next crapshoot QB top 10. If McCarthy is there at 11 take him or else a stud defensive pick or move down....then take from the next tier QB at 23...there aren't any teams after 23 in the first/early second that will move up ahead of 23 for a QB. I think it's way more of a sweet spot for QB after the top 3 are gone.
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Post by franklin99 on Mar 15, 2024 13:05:56 GMT -6
I just have a strong feeling that this draft is going to be a "QB great demand" draft. There are at least 6 Qbs that could make solid careers in the NFL in this single draft. If the Vikes have identified their qb-guy (or qb-guys), it's vital to secure (maybe even over-secure) that rookie-qb-contract now because next year's FA cash will fill the voids at OG, DT, and CB for 2025.
I do agree that the two 1st rounders we have will not get us into the top 3, but could get us to 4. And many will say that we're over-extending for McCarthy at 4, but if you've identified your guy then you need to make it happen even if it requires some "insurance".
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Post by beo on Mar 15, 2024 13:08:09 GMT -6
I'm just not seeing how our 2 first rounders are going to fuel a move to the top 3 for a QB. Even if we add more picks for next year, I doubt CHI, WAS, NE are going to trade out of their picks given their needs at QB. If McCarthy is there at 11 I'd be fine with taking him...but Denver right behind us scares me and I think it would be easy to fleece the Vikes in a move up to prevent DEN from doing the same to get their QB. I'd rather not play that game...let them take the next crapshoot QB top 10. If McCarthy is there at 11 take him or else a stud defensive pick or move down....then take from the next tier QB at 23...there aren't any teams after 23 in the first/early second that will move up ahead of 23 for a QB. I think it's way more of a sweet spot for QB after the top 3 are gone. NE has a lot of rebuilding to do. Just hired a defensive coach. I would say there is a decent chance they'd entertain offers. Certainly could go qb as well... but not 100%.
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Post by purpleberserker on Mar 15, 2024 13:19:49 GMT -6
NE has a lot of rebuilding to do. Just hired a defensive coach. I would say there is a decent chance they'd entertain offers. Certainly could go qb as well... but not 100%. There are rumors that Washington is targeting Daniels and that New England isn't sold on Maye. If so, NE may be willing to trade #3 while trying to get JJ with a lower pick. Who knows?
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Post by redbird87 on Mar 15, 2024 13:28:24 GMT -6
Interesting move and I'm not sure what to make of it just yet? Everyone has there panties in a pinch over my comments on Kwesi, but I didn't say I didn't like the players he picked up, I didn't say they wouldn't be solid additions if they can stay healthy. I simply stated I think he overpaid for several of the players, he's continued to bet heavily on high risk players despite it biting him several times in his short stint and I questioned where he prioritized spending. I said for all the moves he's made, that several here were overly giddy,....he hasn't done anything but fill holes of people he chose not to resign and collectively that group appears less talented at present. That comment wasn't directed as a Dig to Kwesi, as an example....anyone who was available after Hunter was going to be a downgrade if the decision was to move on for cost purposes. In my opinion Kwesi killed the Greenard move as he is the 2nd best "complete" DE that was available after Hunter but he's still a downgrade. But to all the poster who were going on about all the cookin he was doing like he was killing it probably need to calm down, because as of today we are not a better team and we've still done nothing to address our biggest weaknesses. Which is why I said Kwesi still has a lot to do to earn his stripes because thus far in the offseason the only thing that has been a real improvement is having more cap in 25 (which is a good thing) but it's yet to be determined if he can make that extra cap work for us.
But, I'm not sure how I feel about this move yet. The way I see it, it leaves us a lot of options and that isn't a bad thing.
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Post by mjollnir on Mar 15, 2024 13:32:37 GMT -6
As opposed to the brilliance on this board. Yeah right mommy called Suppers ready step away from Madden and go eat. It always helps when you're denigrating the intelligence of others to randomly capitalize words and forgo punctuation almost entirely. Considering the post I was denigrating towards is like on page 2 it must have made a point.
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