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Post by purplevein on Mar 16, 2024 18:22:38 GMT -6
I should have clarified. I meant that the Vikings trade up from 11 to 5 with the Chargers ahead of the draft. Then, the Giants trade up from 6 to 4 with the Cardinals on draft day when Arizona is on the clock.
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Post by PrΰΆ§udhΰΆ§rn on Mar 16, 2024 19:09:31 GMT -6
Welp that was a hiccup. Meant to bump these not merge 'em.
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Post by Vikeroo on Mar 16, 2024 22:44:51 GMT -6
Pretty sure they wouldn't trade with Chargers if that happened but if for some unknown reason it did then you take the best player in the draft- Harrison- then trade JJ for picks and players. JJ is JJ and will remain JJ. Can you guarantee Harrison isn't going to be another Reagor? Or Ruggs? Even a Jeudy? All of them were "sure things" GREATER than JJ, and we know how that went. I'm really tired of the Vikings getting a great WR and then trading him away. They did it to Harvin, Moss, and Diggs. I'm tired of it! Nope, keep JJ at any cost. Marv Jr is about as fast as Ruggs almost and he is way bigger then any of them. All smallish speed/quickness guys. Marv is the closest thing to Megatron since Megatron.
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Post by Vikeroo on Mar 16, 2024 23:32:17 GMT -6
They only have 15M in SB money prorated to him and he has a 6M G salary and a 10M bonus due next week. I think they actually save 1M in the deal for this years cap. Herbert's contract is really funky how it is structured. They can trade him with a post june 1st designation and only take a 12 mill hit. Without the June 1st designation it's 90 mill His option bonuses have not been paid out yet. $50M due 3-22-24 that turns into 10M per year over 5 years and then next march he gets another 45M that spreads out over the next 5 years. Until next Friday they are on the hook for 12M or so. Trading team would pick up all the G'd salary and the option bonuses in the future. They are not trading him so non issue, but they could trade him and take a 12M or 13M hit while actually netting some small cap relief this year. A trading team would have to pick up all his guarantees. They cant cut him because there is a ton of future G'd salary in the deal. Harbaugh chose the job to get Herbert so once again non issue. Essentially it is a mechanism to spread a 105M signing bonus over 7 years. Herbert has an already paid SB that prorates from 2023 to 2027, then this year a 50M option that prorates from 2024 to 2028, and then a 45M option that prorates from 2025 to 2029. A trading team once again would be on the hook for those option bonuses and all the G'd salary if traded before 3-22-24.
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Post by franklin99 on Mar 17, 2024 10:06:29 GMT -6
If the Vikings donβt move up ahead of the Giants and stay put at 11, then it would be easy for the two teams picking directly afterwards, Broncos and Raiders, to make a move and leapfrog Minnesota. Vikings need to stay ahead of those two teams. I totally agree. If they a a specific QB (or 2) targeted, they don't need to play any stupid games trying to save a couple spots in the draft order or an extra later round pick. Just make the move that ensures they get their guy and don't FAFO. Yep. If they have truly found their guy, they need to write off the "moving up of extra picks" as an insurance policy.
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Post by mg415 on Mar 17, 2024 10:51:01 GMT -6
I have invested little time looking to be honest. But like most itβs fun to have opinion
Seems the βgreat qbsβ in todayβs game break games open when they turn busted play into gold. Mobility is key and accuracy throwing while running. JJ from Michigan to me looks to cover that.
Who is better at this?
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Post by BigRussian on Mar 17, 2024 11:48:06 GMT -6
I have invested little time looking to be honest. But like most itβs fun to have opinion Seems the βgreat qbsβ in todayβs game break games open when they turn busted play into gold. Mobility is key and accuracy throwing while running. JJ from Michigan to me looks to cover that. Who is better at this? i will quote tom brady - if you read the defense and knew the play you wouldn't have a busted play
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Post by folsomppe on Mar 17, 2024 12:26:29 GMT -6
Pretty sure they wouldn't trade with Chargers if that happened but if for some unknown reason it did then you take the best player in the draft- Harrison- then trade JJ for picks and players. JJ is JJ and will remain JJ. Can you guarantee Harrison isn't going to be another Reagor? Or Ruggs? Even a Jeudy? All of them were "sure things" GREATER than JJ, and we know how that went. I'm really tired of the Vikings getting a great WR and then trading him away. They did it to Harvin, Moss, and Diggs. I'm tired of it! Nope, keep JJ at any cost. I hear you. To be clear, this is only in the VERY unlikely scenario that our GM trades up to 5 before the 5th pick and allows someone to jump the Vikes at 4. Even still, paying JJ $35/year is worrisome. WRs do not make a team SB champions. A guy who touches the ball 10 times a game making that kind of cake puts me on the fence. I love me some JJ but if they could get a ridiculous haul for him I wouldn't be opposed.
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Post by skolvike on Mar 17, 2024 13:07:59 GMT -6
JJ is JJ and will remain JJ. Can you guarantee Harrison isn't going to be another Reagor? Or Ruggs? Even a Jeudy? All of them were "sure things" GREATER than JJ, and we know how that went. I'm really tired of the Vikings getting a great WR and then trading him away. They did it to Harvin, Moss, and Diggs. I'm tired of it! Nope, keep JJ at any cost. I hear you. To be clear, this is only in the VERY unlikely scenario that our GM trades up to 5 before the 5th pick and allows someone to jump the Vikes at 4. Even still, paying JJ $35/year is worrisome. WRs do not make a team SB champions. A guy who touches the ball 10 times a game making that kind of cake puts me on the fence. I love me some JJ but if they could get a ridiculous haul for him I wouldn't be opposed. I know what you're saying, but those 10 touches a game by a truly elite WR can and often does mean the difference between a crucial win and a loss. I suggest 2022's Bills game as an example that stands out, and there were many such that year. JJ isn't the only WR getting over 30M for the year, and I think that's exactly why they get it. It's not the quantity they reperesent, it's the quality and the crucial times they prove that elitism that gets them that money. How many games did Parker win for the Packers? Or Lamb in Dallas, Hill in Miami, Diggs in Buffalo, Aiyuk in SF? Those teams expect and DEMAND those WRs pull games out, and they do, and 30mil+ is the going rate for a WR of that caliber. Why would any team pay that ridiculous haul for him you expect if they didn't? You know every team in the league who doesn't have one would bid for him. The Vikings have had their share of elite WRs in recent years such as Harvin, Moss, Diggs, and now JJ, and they've traded away all of them except JJ. I'd kind of like to keep ONE of them.
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Post by burntpackerdbs84 on Mar 17, 2024 14:00:20 GMT -6
I hear you. To be clear, this is only in the VERY unlikely scenario that our GM trades up to 5 before the 5th pickΒ and allows someone to jump the Vikes at 4. Even still, paying JJ $35/year is worrisome. WRs do not make a team SB champions. A guy who touches the ball 10 times a game making that kind of cake puts me on the fence. I love me some JJ but if they could get a ridiculous haul for him I wouldn't be opposed. I know what you're saying, but those 10 touches a game by a truly elite WR can and often does mean the difference between a crucial win and a loss. I suggest 2022's Bills game as an example that stands out, and there were many such that year. JJ isn't the only WR getting over 30M for the year, and I think that's exactly why they get it. It's not the quantity they reperesent, it's the quality and the crucial times they prove that elitism that gets them that money. How many games did Parker win for the Packers? Or Lamb in Dallas, Hill in Miami, Diggs in Buffalo, Aiyuk in SF? Those teams expect and DEMAND those WRs pull games out, and they do, and 30mil+ is the going rate for a WR of that caliber. Why would any team pay that ridiculous haul for him you expect if they didn't? You know every team in the league who doesn't have one would bid for him. The Vikings have had their share of elite WRs in recent years such as Harvin, Moss, Diggs, and now JJ, and they've traded away all of them except JJ. I'd kind of like to keep ONE of them.Β Forgot Cris Carter, not traded just saying
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Post by Vikeroo on Mar 17, 2024 14:21:59 GMT -6
JJ is JJ and will remain JJ. Can you guarantee Harrison isn't going to be another Reagor? Or Ruggs? Even a Jeudy? All of them were "sure things" GREATER than JJ, and we know how that went. I'm really tired of the Vikings getting a great WR and then trading him away. They did it to Harvin, Moss, and Diggs. I'm tired of it! Nope, keep JJ at any cost. I hear you. To be clear, this is only in the VERY unlikely scenario that our GM trades up to 5 before the 5th pick and allows someone to jump the Vikes at 4. Even still, paying JJ $35/year is worrisome. WRs do not make a team SB champions. A guy who touches the ball 10 times a game making that kind of cake puts me on the fence. I love me some JJ but if they could get a ridiculous haul for him I wouldn't be opposed. JJ changes how teams play defense and opens other things up. AP and Moss were those kind of players also. Not JJ's fault they did not have the running game to exploit what he created for them. One thing we will lose a bit of are the option routes with Darnold or a young QB they have run with Kirk. I mean that should grow over time and there was more then once Kirk did not anticipate JJ's choice on an option route, but part of what makes him dangerous.
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Post by redbird87 on Mar 17, 2024 15:35:02 GMT -6
I hear you. To be clear, this is only in the VERY unlikely scenario that our GM trades up to 5 before the 5th pickΒ and allows someone to jump the Vikes at 4. Even still, paying JJ $35/year is worrisome. WRs do not make a team SB champions. A guy who touches the ball 10 times a game making that kind of cake puts me on the fence. I love me some JJ but if they could get a ridiculous haul for him I wouldn't be opposed. JJ changes how teams play defense and opens other things up. AP and Moss were those kind of players also. Not JJ's fault they did not have the running game to exploit what he created for them. One thing we will lose a bit of are the option routes with Darnold or a young QB they have run with Kirk. I mean that should grow over time and there was more then once Kirk did not anticipate JJ's choice on an option route, but part of what makes him dangerous. Yes we traded Moss, Diggs, Harvin and kept Carter and of the 3, 1 has a SB ringβ¦Harvin, where the only contribution he really made was as a kick returner. Great receivers are awesome to have but not when they are the most expensive players on your team.
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Post by skolvike on Mar 17, 2024 16:44:04 GMT -6
JJ changes how teams play defense and opens other things up. AP and Moss were those kind of players also. Not JJ's fault they did not have the running game to exploit what he created for them. One thing we will lose a bit of are the option routes with Darnold or a young QB they have run with Kirk. I mean that should grow over time and there was more then once Kirk did not anticipate JJ's choice on an option route, but part of what makes him dangerous. Yes we traded Moss, Diggs, Harvin and kept Carter and of the 3, 1 has a SB ringβ¦Harvin, where the only contribution he really made was as a kick returner. Great receivers are awesome to have but not when they are the most expensive players on your team. You seem to love the Vikings' money more than you love the Vikings' games. Why is that, Red?
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Post by soonerviking55 on Mar 19, 2024 10:52:04 GMT -6
I think people will be pleasantly surprised by how good whomever we draft ends up being. People keep hyping up how good of a situation Chicago has built for Williams to step into but the Vikings' situation is much better. I do think we end up with one of the top 4 QBs and it will come down to what the Patriots want to do or whether or not Kwesi wants to give up that 2025 1st rounder.
FWIW, here is how I'd rank them:
Jayden Daniels Caleb Williams Drake Maye JJ McCarthy Michael Penix Jr. Spencer Rattler Bo Nix Michael Pratt
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Post by vikes79 on Mar 19, 2024 17:40:21 GMT -6
I think people will be pleasantly surprised by how good whomever we draft ends up being. People keep hyping up how good of a situation Chicago has built for Williams to step into but the Vikings' situation is much better. I do think we end up with one of the top 4 QBs and it will come down to what the Patriots want to do or whether or not Kwesi wants to give up that 2025 1st rounder. FWIW, here is how I'd rank them: Jayden Daniels Caleb Williams Drake Maye JJ McCarthy Michael Penix Jr. Spencer Rattler Bo Nix Michael Pratt I like the purple glasses approachβ¦.but Todayβ¦we have zero run game outside of AJβ¦ An oline that is used to a statue throwing the ball and isnβt so great at pass blocking, and a D that was beat like a dead horse at the end of the year.. Iβd have a hard time saying we have a better situation outside of JJ (whom could be traded yet) than the Bears. I hope Iβm wrong, but letβs be realistic.
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