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Post by mg415 on Mar 15, 2024 13:48:09 GMT -6
Why you donβt sell the farm to draft a QB: About that QB class from the 2022 NFL Draft... 1 (20) Kenny Pickett - Traded 3 (74) Desmond Ridder - Traded 3 (86) Malik Willis - Titans QB3 3 (94) Matt Corral - Birmingham Stallions (UFL) 4 (137) Bailey Zappe - Patriots QB2 5 (144) Sam Howell - Traded x.com/dpbrugler/status/1768714321238929900?s=20QB picking is a crap shoot. Now with cousins gone the Vikings have no option, they need to find one. It may turn out to be ponder 2.0 but we will never get the guy if we don't try something. It's time to try
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Post by dukeofdubuque on Mar 15, 2024 13:57:51 GMT -6
I agree, but this talk of giving up 3 (or more!) firsts is nuts.
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Post by wolfpack87 on Mar 15, 2024 14:14:51 GMT -6
Why you donβt sell the farm to draft a QB: About that QB class from the 2022 NFL Draft... 1 (20) Kenny Pickett - Traded 3 (74) Desmond Ridder - Traded 3 (86) Malik Willis - Titans QB3 3 (94) Matt Corral - Birmingham Stallions (UFL) 4 (137) Bailey Zappe - Patriots QB2 5 (144) Sam Howell - Traded x.com/dpbrugler/status/1768714321238929900?s=20While I do agree that selling everything for a QB is a sizeable risk, none of those guys in that draft class were that highly thought of, certainly not as highly thought of as the top 5 guys in this draft class.
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Post by dukeofdubuque on Mar 15, 2024 14:24:05 GMT -6
True, it just shows that sometimes the correct answer to the question of which of these guys is the right one is βnone of the above.β
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Post by comet52 on Mar 15, 2024 14:30:20 GMT -6
Why you donβt sell the farm to draft a QB: About that QB class from the 2022 NFL Draft... 1 (20) Kenny Pickett - Traded 3 (74) Desmond Ridder - Traded 3 (86) Malik Willis - Titans QB3 3 (94) Matt Corral - Birmingham Stallions (UFL) 4 (137) Bailey Zappe - Patriots QB2 5 (144) Sam Howell - Traded x.com/dpbrugler/status/1768714321238929900?s=20While I do agree that selling everything for a QB is a sizeable risk, none of those guys in that draft class were that highly thought of, certainly not as highly thought of as the top 5 guys in this draft class. What about this class? 1 (1) Trevor Lawrence - starting for Jags 1 (2) Zach Wilson - on the trading block 1 (3) Trey Lance - traded, backup 1 (11) Justin Fields - on the trading block 1 (15) Mac Jones - traded to backup #1 above 4 busts and a mid-tier starter, all gone by #15.
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Post by Vikeroo on Mar 15, 2024 14:58:33 GMT -6
While I do agree that selling everything for a QB is a sizeable risk, none of those guys in that draft class were that highly thought of, certainly not as highly thought of as the top 5 guys in this draft class. What about this class? 1 (1) Trevor Lawrence - starting for Jags 1 (2) Zach Wilson - on the trading block 1 (3) Trey Lance - traded, backup 1 (11) Justin Fields - on the trading block 1 (15) Mac Jones - traded to backup #1 above 4 busts and a mid-tier starter, all gone by #15. or 2020 when you had Burrow go 1, Tua 5, and Herbert 6 and all have been Pro Bowlers.
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Post by dukeofdubuque on Mar 15, 2024 15:01:05 GMT -6
Yeah. And the Niners could be winning multiple SBs if they didnβt trade so much for Lance.
Iβm not against trading 2 firsts plus a little more (if we get a pick from Atlanta after Kirk admitted to tampering I would throw that in) but only IF they are really convinced one of these guys is worth the risk. Not just drafting a QB because βyouβre supposed to:β
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Post by Vikeroo on Mar 15, 2024 15:03:17 GMT -6
They made this move because they have an agreement or agreements with other teams that if such and such is available we will trade with you. San Diego could be the agreement although by the trade chart our #11 and #42 matched points for the #5. There have been rumors the Pats and Vikes have had discussions since SB week. Only reason to trade for the extra 1st early is to look at a top 3 pick.
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Post by Vikeroo on Mar 15, 2024 15:04:28 GMT -6
Yeah. And the Niners could be winning multiple SBs if they didnβt trade so much for Lance. Iβm not against trading 2 firsts plus a little more (if we get a pick from Atlanta after Kirk admitted to tampering I would throw that in) but only IF they are really convinced one of these guys is worth the risk. Not just drafting a QB because βyouβre supposed to:β Mahomes was a trade up. Lot of QB's have been traded up for.
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Post by dukeofdubuque on Mar 15, 2024 15:09:18 GMT -6
Yes there is Mahomes. At # 10 if I recall.
Chances are that about 1.5 of these QBs ends up being worth the pick. If they love a guy, then do it. But make sure youβre actually going to get him. Makes no sense to trade up now to 3 or 4 and then not end up getting your guy..
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Post by drhoades on Mar 15, 2024 15:19:15 GMT -6
its been well documented by now that trading up for a qb is about a 1% chance of success
and the majority of all of those teams except KC (Mahomes) and SF (golden horseshoe and crooked ownership) have sucked for years and years since
i would much rather be competitive year in and out than suck for a decade because "the only way to win is to trade it all for a college QB."
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Post by Vikeroo on Mar 15, 2024 15:20:37 GMT -6
Yes there is Mahomes. At # 10 if I recall. Chances are that about 1.5 of these QBs ends up being worth the pick. If they love a guy, then do it. But make sure youβre actually going to get him. Makes no sense to trade up now to 3 or 4 and then not end up getting your guy.. They do not have to trade for one now and can wait to execute a trade on draft day that has already been agreed on. Lot of 1st round trades are agreed on in principle before the draft but teams want to see how things play out.
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Post by Vikeroo on Mar 15, 2024 15:24:26 GMT -6
Would the Bears be willing to trade for 3 1sts and some other stuff for Caleb? He doesn't seem to especially want to go there...
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Post by cougar00 on Mar 15, 2024 15:26:16 GMT -6
its been well documented by now that trading up for a qb is about a 1% chance of success and the majority of all of those teams except KC (Mahomes) and SF (golden horseshoe and crooked ownership) have sucked for years and years since i would much rather be competitive year in and out than suck for a decade because "the only way to win is to trade it all for a college QB." Josh Allen was also a trade up and the Bills have not sucked because of the trade they made. I would rather try to win a championship instead of staying in the middle like the Vikings have, even if it means we might have some down years.
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Post by drhoades on Mar 15, 2024 15:31:56 GMT -6
its been well documented by now that trading up for a qb is about a 1% chance of success and the majority of all of those teams except KC (Mahomes) and SF (golden horseshoe and crooked ownership) have sucked for years and years since i would much rather be competitive year in and out than suck for a decade because "the only way to win is to trade it all for a college QB." Josh Allen was also a trade up and the Bills have not sucked because of the trade they made. I would rather try to win a championship instead of staying in the middle like the Vikings have, even if it means we might have some down years. we won 13 games two years ago with a defense that couldnt stop my towns pop warner team and an offensive line that couldnt block that same teams defensive line. not to mention how many playoffs we have vs the rest of the league but i know its fun to love amateurs
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