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Post by purpletrouble on Mar 16, 2024 12:16:09 GMT -6
Maye and McCarthy are the best fit for us. I think we end up with McCarhty, because in order to get to the 2nd or 3rd spot in the draft, would require trading with a team who is also desperate to get a franchise QB. Youβre going to have to blow them away in terms of compensation to trade that pick because they know youβre going to take the guy they otherwise would take. Likely 3yrs of #1 picks plus JJ. McCarthy can likely be had in the 5-11 range. While Iβd personally take Maye over McCarthy if both were available, I just donβt see us being able to get to #2 without offering something so unreasonable Absolutely correct. Teams ahead of the Vikings that are QB hungry will want a boatload of draft capital to trade up into the top 3 -5 picks. I'm all in on acquiring a franchise type QB, but the Vikings will need to be very careful that they don't mortgage too much of the future like Denver did in the Wilson trade. It is indeed a slippery slope. |
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Post by bongbreath on Mar 16, 2024 13:23:33 GMT -6
Why you donβt sell the farm to draft a QB: About that QB class from the 2022 NFL Draft... 1 (20) Kenny Pickett - Traded 3 (74) Desmond Ridder - Traded 3 (86) Malik Willis - Titans QB3 3 (94) Matt Corral - Birmingham Stallions (UFL) 4 (137) Bailey Zappe - Patriots QB2 5 (144) Sam Howell - Traded x.com/dpbrugler/status/1768714321238929900?s=20Your posts re-enforce how important it might be to draft a QB early and that by settling for what drops to you a mistake??? |
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Post by tavike on Mar 16, 2024 13:43:24 GMT -6
I Heard somewhere that the Charges take something like a 90 mill cap hit if they trade Herbert this year They only have 15M in SB money prorated to him and he has a 6M G salary and a 10M bonus due next week. I think they actually save 1M in the deal for this years cap. Herbert's contract is really funky how it is structured. They can trade him with a post june 1st designation and only take a 12 mill hit. Without the June 1st designation it's 90 mill |
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Post by taz24 on Mar 16, 2024 14:45:14 GMT -6
I like this QB class so much more than the last few years of QB classes. IMO it is so much better and deeper.
That said it is always a crap shoot. After they select someone they need to bring them into a good situation and give them a chance to be successful.
One thing that worries me about Maye is I keep hearing he misses a lot of 'layups". Possibly gets lazy with his footwork, but missing layups can't happen for long.
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Post by purpleberserker on Mar 16, 2024 15:38:27 GMT -6
McCarthy can likely be had in the 5-11 range. While Iβd personally take Maye over McCarthy if both were available, I just donβt see us being able to get to #2 without offering something so unreasonable I agree with your post except I don't think JJM will get past the Giants at #6. If the Vikings want Maye or JJM, I believe they need to get to at least #5. Even then, they may have to compete with the Giants who might try to block the Vikings with a trade up if their own. |
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Post by JR44 on Mar 16, 2024 15:41:26 GMT -6
McCarthy can likely be had in the 5-11 range. While Iβd personally take Maye over McCarthy if both were available, I just donβt see us being able to get to #2 without offering something so unreasonable I agree with your post except I don't think JJM will get past the Giants at #6. If the Vikings want Maye or JJM, I believe they need to get to at least #5. Even then, they may have to compete with the Giants who might try to block the Vikings with a trade up if their own. There is a lot of talk about the Giants taking McCarthy, but with the contract they gave Jones can they really move on from him, I could see if they had a shot at Williams, but do not see McCarthy being a slam dunk to be an improvement over Jones, I don't think they would take him. |
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Post by tavike on Mar 16, 2024 16:15:25 GMT -6
I like this QB class so much more than the last few years of QB classes. IMO it is so much better and deeper. That said it is always a crap shoot. After they select someone they need to bring them into a good situation and give them a chance to be successful. One thing that worries me about Maye is I keep hearing he misses a lot of 'layups". Possibly gets lazy with his footwork, but missing layups can't happen for long. that missing layups was also expressed by Kurt Warner about Maye. The one QB that you don't here being linked to Vikes is Daniels. Which leads me to believe that is who they are really targeting. |
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Post by purpleberserker on Mar 16, 2024 16:29:39 GMT -6
I agree with your post except I don't think JJM will get past the Giants at #6. If the Vikings want Maye or JJM, I believe they need to get to at least #5. Even then, they may have to compete with the Giants who might try to block the Vikings with a trade up if their own. There is a lot of talk about the Giants taking McCarthy, but with the contract they gave Jones can they really move on from him, I could see if they had a shot at Williams, but do not see McCarthy being a slam dunk to be an improvement over Jones, I don't think they would take him.Β If you are right about the Giants, the way to ensure they don't surprise/screw over the Vikings is for the Vikings to work out a trade for #6. |
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Post by purplevein on Mar 16, 2024 16:31:49 GMT -6
If the Vikings donβt move up ahead of the Giants and stay put at 11, then it would be easy for the two teams picking directly afterwards, Broncos and Raiders, to make a move and leapfrog Minnesota. Vikings need to stay ahead of those two teams.
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Post by purpleberserker on Mar 16, 2024 16:55:27 GMT -6
If the Vikings donβt move up ahead of the Giants and stay put at 11, then it would be easy for the two teams picking directly afterwards, Broncos and Raiders, to make a move and leapfrog Minnesota. Vikings need to stay ahead of those two teams. I totally agree. If they have a specific QB (or 2) targeted, they don't need to play any stupid games trying to save a couple spots in the draft order or an extra later round pick. Just make the move that ensures they get their guy and don't FAFO. |
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Post by educator on Mar 16, 2024 17:25:21 GMT -6
Round 1, #11 overall Round 1, #23 overall (acquired from Houston in pre-draft trade) Round 4, #108 overall Round 4, #129 overall (acquired from Detroit in T.J. Hockenson trade) Round 5, #157 overall (acquired from Cleveland in ZaβDarius Smith trade) Round 5, #167 overall (acquired from Kansas City in 2024 Draft weekend trade) Round 6, #177 overall (acquired from Carolina via Jacksonville in Ezra Cleveland trade) Round 7, #230 overall (acquired from Atlanta via Cleveland and Arizona in Josh Dobbs trade) Round 7, #232 overall (acquired from Houston in pre-draft trade) Reminder: This is a weak crop of unimpressive DTs available. The above slots as they sit current would result in a reach at #11/23 or an absolute project chance from #108 down to the #232 pick. If that position is sought for high snap count contribution on this Defense - more trading is needed. This draft Features a deep class of WRs all with lots of size/speed/games played and ditto for OTs. I have no clue what can be done with just moving draft picks around to get other positions outside of those two. Having more picks between 30-100 seems right for DT and OG or C - where I see the Big Need! Thanks for creating this post! |
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Post by purplevein on Mar 16, 2024 18:09:34 GMT -6
1. Bears: Caleb Williams
2. Commanders: Jayden Daniels
3. Patriots: Drake Maye
4. Giants (trade with Cardinals): JJ McCarthy
5. Vikings (trade with Chargers): ?
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Post by folsomppe on Mar 16, 2024 18:11:58 GMT -6
1. Bears: Caleb Williams 2. Commanders: Jayden Daniels 3. Patriots: Drake Maye 4. Giants (trade with Cardinals): JJ McCarthy 5. Vikings (trade with Chargers): ? Pretty sure they wouldn't trade with Chargers if that happened but if for some unknown reason it did then you take the best player in the draft- Harrison- then trade JJ for picks and players. |
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Post by jeffsiemon on Mar 16, 2024 18:14:56 GMT -6
1. Bears: Caleb Williams 2. Commanders: Jayden Daniels 3. Patriots: Drake Maye 4. Giants (trade with Cardinals): JJ McCarthy 5. Vikings (trade with Chargers): ? Pretty sure they wouldn't trade with Chargers if that happened but if for some unknown reason it did then you take the best player in the draft- Harrison- then trade JJ for picks and players. Theyβre not trading up in that scenario. Probably taking best dt, edge, or cb available. |
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Post by skolvike on Mar 16, 2024 18:19:34 GMT -6
1. Bears: Caleb Williams 2. Commanders: Jayden Daniels 3. Patriots: Drake Maye 4. Giants (trade with Cardinals): JJ McCarthy 5. Vikings (trade with Chargers): ? Pretty sure they wouldn't trade with Chargers if that happened but if for some unknown reason it did then you take the best player in the draft- Harrison- then trade JJ for picks and players. JJ is JJ and will remain JJ. Can you guarantee Harrison isn't going to be another Reagor? Or Ruggs? Even a Jeudy? All of them were "sure things" GREATER than JJ, and we know how that went. I'm really tired of the Vikings getting a great WR and then trading him away. They did it to Harvin, Moss, and Diggs. I'm tired of it! Nope, keep JJ at any cost. |
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