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Post by RF54 on Jan 5, 2024 7:23:30 GMT -6
I will bet that the answer is not listed in the survey Depends on who you believe is the future. I doubt that 4 QB's from this class will go on to greatness, do you go get the best or settle for the rest... Who is the best? The likelyhood of getting it right is very small, drafting a QB is a total crap shoot. This was discussed last year and the research shows it vikingsarmageddon.freeforums.net/thread/11146/execs-scouts-coaches-evaluate-classresearch is halfway down the page
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Post by RF54 on Jan 5, 2024 7:28:13 GMT -6
I would be fine with either of the first 2 options if you trust your talent evaluators. If you don't, why are they employed? this board has been blasting draft choices by the team in last 2 years and you want to bet the farm "if you trust your talent evaluators"? LOL
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Post by legion11 on Jan 5, 2024 8:24:16 GMT -6
Depends on who you believe is the future. I doubt that 4 QB's from this class will go on to greatness, do you go get the best or settle for the rest... Who is the best?ย ย The likelyhood of getting it right is very small, drafting a QB is a total crap shoot.ย This was discussed last year and the research shows it vikingsarmageddon.freeforums.net/thread/11146/execs-scouts-coaches-evaluate-classresearch is halfway down the page A crapshoot? Yeah probably. But you can't win if you don't play.
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Post by purplepunisher on Jan 5, 2024 8:44:31 GMT -6
Definitely the first two arenโt even in the realm of possibilities. You donโt trade away the #1 tool that can make your new QB have success, and you donโt mortgage the future on a what if unless youโre solid on D and donโt have big holes through out the roster. More likely route is the Vikes move up a short distance only if someone falls, otherwise itโs fill holes, draft a QB in rnds 3-4 and extend KC for 2-3, years and keep pulling the QB lever in 2025 as well. In one of Tyler Forness recent podcasts he said the Vikings tried to move up to draft A. Richardson last year. Never heard of this..but if true it shows that Kwesi would even be willing to go from the 20s to top 5 to get this guy. Didnt work out as he said the other team didnt want to drop that far. Extend Cousins? Then we are back in the same cap hell as the last 6 years with little FA money and relying on Kwesi's hit and miss draft. If we hit on a rookie QB drafted in the first round this year, the cap savings in 2025 will allow the Vikings to select a top rated free agent to fill a first round need.. to replace a first round pick given to trade up...and being close to the top of the board is a perfect opportunity to do so..
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Post by mjollnir on Jan 5, 2024 8:48:57 GMT -6
I don't see it for Williams way to many flags came up when he has seen adversity, Maye reeks of Daniel Jones/Mitch Turbiskey. Daniels and McCarthy see them all over the mock boards. Sanders is intriguing. My hope is Nix or Penix is the guy and we pick right.
Jayden Daniels, LSU Bo Nix, Oregon J.J. McCarthy, Michigan Michael Penix Jr., Washington Caleb Williams, Southern California Jordan Travis, Florida State Drake Maye, North Carolina Quinn Ewers, Texas Michael Pratt, Tulane Shedeur Sanders, Colorado
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Post by daredevil on Jan 5, 2024 8:51:16 GMT -6
I hope Maye and Williams are gone by the time we draft.
Penix or Nix are better in my book. McCaffrey Would be a nice consolation prize if we could drop down 2-4 slots and still be able to get him; plus a 2nd this year, and a first next year, and maybe a 7th this year. I still prefer Nix or Penix with our first if still there at our original pick. Put either one of those two behind KC for a year or two and we'd have our QB for the future. At least Nix or Penix; I believe could come in and play if KC went down again next season. I don't know a lot about Maye, because every time I had a chance to watch N.C. he didn't play? We should have a very good chance to get one of the top QB's in this years draft even if we stay at #12. I don't think Hall is the man for the job imo. A backup; maybe, but a starter naa.
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Post by burntpackerdbs84 on Jan 5, 2024 8:52:48 GMT -6
Awesome offensive line, awesome defensive line, elite QB. That is how you start it.
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Post by vr46 on Jan 5, 2024 10:01:59 GMT -6
I would be fine with either of the first 2 options if you trust your talent evaluators. If you don't, why are they employed? this board has been blasting draft choices by the team in last 2 years and you want to bet the farm "if you trust your talent evaluators"? LOL Read the last sentence in my post you quoted. "LOL"
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Post by drhoades on Jan 5, 2024 11:37:18 GMT -6
yep, because the only way to win in the NFL is to give up your best players and future draft picks so you can pick up a crap shoot. LOL
as a matter of fact it is actually the least likely way to win
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Post by bongbreath on Jan 5, 2024 12:14:54 GMT -6
yep, because the only way to win in the NFL is to give up your best players and future draft picks so you can pick up a crap shoot. LOL as a matter of fact it is actually the least likely way to win I think we both would agree that the best way to be win is to have a great QB. We don't have that. To your point, I bet Carolina wishes it had kept it's picks, the top of the draft last year left them in last place. But the Vikings being this high in the draft order doesnt come along very often, they have a lot of cap space this year and a boat load next year. If not now, when???
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Post by frantheman10 on Jan 5, 2024 12:48:18 GMT -6
I don't watch a lot of college football so i won't pretend to have a smart opinion on the QB class. Heck, i only watched Caleb play once and that was against ND and he looked awful. it seems that the four guys behind Caleb and Maye all have the potential to be long term NFl starters. Will they all be? Two of the four will probably wash out as one of the top two guys will also probably bust. Remember the Lawrence, Wilson, Lance 1,2,3 draft.
If we lose this weekend we may be picking 10th. We could have a shot at all of the second tier 4 qBs without trading or even getting one after a trade down. The Vikings rarely pick this hugh and the QB class is rarely this deep. Now is the time to try and land the future. Who is the guy? Who knows? It's why KAM and KOC get the big bucks and why theor jobs ride on making the right choice.
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Post by lunas on Jan 5, 2024 12:49:50 GMT -6
The Wilfโs hired KAM and KOC. They need to trust that they can get their QB right.
If the pick bombs, KAM needs to go.
Literally 80 percent of the people on this board could have picked a better 2022 draft and no one here gets paid a dime to make those decisions.
This should be a make or break draft for KAM.
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Post by wolfpack87 on Jan 5, 2024 12:49:53 GMT -6
Don't see Kwesi trading up as high as it would take to get Williams or Maye. I think it'll be JJ McCarthy, assuming he goes pro, Penix or Daniels, maybe moving up a spot or two if needed. They're not gonna trade JJ or multiple first rounders to get Williams or Maye.ย Someone will. Maybe so. Just nothing Kwesi has done the last two drafts or any drafts under the ownership of the Wilfs suggest the Vikings will be trading multiple high round picks to move up for anyone.
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Post by drhoades on Jan 5, 2024 12:58:01 GMT -6
yep, because the only way to win in the NFL is to give up your best players and future draft picks so you can pick up a crap shoot. LOL as a matter of fact it is actually the least likely way to win I think we both would agree that the best way to be win is to have a great QB. We don't have that. To your point, I bet Carolina wishes it had kept it's picks, the top of the draft last year left them in last place. But the Vikings being this high in the draft order doesnt come along very often, they have a lot of cap space this year and a boat load next year. If not now, when??? I do agree with that, but i think Kirk is good enough and that if we had a defense at all last year could have competed, and i think the way he was playing this year we were well on our way to competing. i think fix the lines and we are not far away, as someone said a QB and line play. But having said that, i think the time is now to try to get a QB, but should extend Kirk and let our rookie watch for a couple seasons. The cap should not prohibit any of this.
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Post by frantheman10 on Jan 5, 2024 14:04:45 GMT -6
My ideal offseason:
1) Kirk re-signs for 2-yrs $65mm with $45mm guaranteed( $30mm in 2024 and $15mm in 2025) basically chewing up his void years cap hit. 2) Re-sign Hunter to a 4 year front loaded deal again to chew up dead cap in 24/25 and allow flexibility after two years. 3) Cut Smith or retires and free up $11mm of cap. 4) Extend JJ and push his $19mm 2024 cap hit into the out years. 5) Sign IOL, DT and CB in FA 6) Draft QB in Rd 1 hopefully after sliding back a few spots and picking up a 3rd. 7) Draft Edge in rd 2, WR in Rd3, CB and LB ib RD 4
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