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Post by crunchvikes on Jan 5, 2024 14:22:39 GMT -6
My ideal offseason: 1) Kirk re-signs for 2-yrs $65mm with $45mm guaranteed( $30mm in 2024 and $15mm in 2025) basically chewing up his void years cap hit. 2) Re-sign Hunter to a 4 year front loaded deal again to chew up dead cap in 24/25 and allow flexibility after two years. 3) Cut Smith or retires and free up $11mm of cap. 4) Extend JJ and push his $19mm 2024 cap hit into the out years. 5) Sign IOL, DT and CB in FA 6) Draft QB in Rd 1 hopefully after sliding back a few spots and picking up a 3rd. 7) Draft Edge in rd 2, WR in Rd3, CB and LB ib RD 4 I like this plan.
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Post by lunas on Jan 5, 2024 14:31:59 GMT -6
My ideal offseason: 1) Kirk re-signs for 2-yrs $65mm with $45mm guaranteed( $30mm in 2024 and $15mm in 2025) basically chewing up his void years cap hit.ย ย 2) Re-sign Hunter to a 4 year front loaded deal again to chew up dead cap in 24/25 and allow flexibility after two years. 3) Cut Smith or retires and free up $11mm of cap. 4) Extend JJ and push his $19mm 2024 cap hit into the out years. 5) Sign IOL, DT and CB in FA 6) Draft QB in Rd 1 hopefully after sliding back a few spots and picking up a 3rd.ย 7) Draft Edge in rd 2, WR in Rd3, CB and LB ib RD 4 I like this plan. Makes total sense which is why I donโt think it will happen. Based on his personnel moves, KAM likes to be guy that goes against the grain to show how smart he is by going against the consensus. Itโs a foolโs game to bet against the consensus of the smartest people hired by ownerโs who own businesses that generate more revenue by winning games. By overthinking things, he misses on the obvious move that is right in front of him.
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Post by drhoades on Jan 5, 2024 14:42:27 GMT -6
My ideal offseason: 1) Kirk re-signs for 2-yrs $65mm with $45mm guaranteed( $30mm in 2024 and $15mm in 2025) basically chewing up his void years cap hit. 2) Re-sign Hunter to a 4 year front loaded deal again to chew up dead cap in 24/25 and allow flexibility after two years. 3) Cut Smith or retires and free up $11mm of cap. 4) Extend JJ and push his $19mm 2024 cap hit into the out years. 5) Sign IOL, DT and CB in FA 6) Draft QB in Rd 1 hopefully after sliding back a few spots and picking up a 3rd. 7) Draft Edge in rd 2, WR in Rd3, CB and LB ib RD 4 I like this plan. I love this plan and with it we would be competing for a 1 seed next year.
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Post by shawn3458 on Jan 5, 2024 14:45:54 GMT -6
My ideal offseason: 1) Kirk re-signs for 2-yrs $65mm with $45mm guaranteed( $30mm in 2024 and $15mm in 2025) basically chewing up his void years cap hit.ย ย 2) Re-sign Hunter to a 4 year front loaded deal again to chew up dead cap in 24/25 and allow flexibility after two years. 3) Cut Smith or retires and free up $11mm of cap. 4) Extend JJ and push his $19mm 2024 cap hit into the out years. 5) Sign IOL, DT and CB in FA 6) Draft QB in Rd 1 hopefully after sliding back a few spots and picking up a 3rd.ย 7) Draft Edge in rd 2, WR in Rd3, CB and LB ib RD 4 I like this plan. How is any new contract going to โchew upโ already paid (void year) money?
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Post by tavike on Jan 5, 2024 15:01:31 GMT -6
Makes total sense which is why I donโt think it will happen. Based on his personnel moves, KAM likes to be guy that goes against the grain to show how smart he is by going against the consensus. Itโs a foolโs game to bet against the consensus of the smartest people hired by ownerโs who own businesses that generate more revenue by winning games. By overthinking things, he misses on the obvious move that is right in front of him. He didn't do that last year, did he? He drafted Addison. I'll give you the first year where his trades to me, were him getting worked over by other GMs.
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Post by frantheman10 on Jan 5, 2024 15:18:06 GMT -6
How is any new contract going to โchew upโ already paid (void year) money? KC is a $28.5mm cap hit in 2024 and $18.5mm in 2025 becuase two void years were added to his contract in effect pushing the cap hit on paid salary out two years. If KC signed a two-yr $47mm deal with $28.5mm guaranteed in 2024 and $18.5mm guaranteed in 2025 his incremental cap hit would be zero. Basically the dead money from the void years become real years and the new cash is absorbed. I'll defer to the guys on here that know a lot more about the cap than I do but I believe that's how it works.
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Post by lunas on Jan 5, 2024 16:14:05 GMT -6
BTW, which QB do you all want in the draft and who do you think we will have a realistic shot at?
Iโm in on Penix. Take away his injury history and age, and you will be looking at a top 5 pick. If this guy puts on a clinic against Michigan, he might be a top 5 pick anyway.
His tight window throws are NFL caliber and has the velocity to get there. Heโs also a mature guy who is calm in the pocket and get through NFL level progressions.
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Post by vr46 on Jan 5, 2024 16:26:19 GMT -6
How is any new contract going to โchew upโ already paid (void year) money? KC is a $28.5mm cap hit in 2024 and $18.5mm in 2025 becuase two void years were added to his contract in effect pushing the cap hit on paid salary out two years.ย If KC signed a two-yr $47mm deal with $28.5mm guaranteed in 2024 and $18.5mm guaranteed in 2025 his incremental cap hit would be zero.ย Basically the dead money from the void years become real years and the new cash is absorbed.ย I'll defer to the guys on here that know a lot more about the cap than I do but I believe that's how it works.ย ย That money is already owed to KC. He would be playing for free. I don't think he is going to play for free. If you want to keep him you're going to have to cover that 47 million and add 30 million or more per year. So if you want to keep him for two years it's going to cost well north of 100 million.
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Post by shawn3458 on Jan 5, 2024 16:32:54 GMT -6
How is any new contract going to โchew upโ already paid (void year) money? KC is a $28.5mm cap hit in 2024 and $18.5mm in 2025 becuase two void years were added to his contract in effect pushing the cap hit on paid salary out two years.ย If KC signed a two-yr $47mm deal with $28.5mm guaranteed in 2024 and $18.5mm guaranteed in 2025 his incremental cap hit would be zero.ย Basically the dead money from the void years become real years and the new cash is absorbed.ย I'll defer to the guys on here that know a lot more about the cap than I do but I believe that's how it works.ย ย That void money/years is just an accounting trick for already paid money. Any new contract would be additional $$ A new contract would either have to add the void money in addition to the new contract for cap purposes or just push out that cash again into new void years. At least that is my understanding.
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Post by wisent on Jan 5, 2024 17:57:15 GMT -6
KC is a $28.5mm cap hit in 2024 and $18.5mm in 2025 becuase two void years were added to his contract in effect pushing the cap hit on paid salary out two years.ย If KC signed a two-yr $47mm deal with $28.5mm guaranteed in 2024 and $18.5mm guaranteed in 2025 his incremental cap hit would be zero.ย Basically the dead money from the void years become real years and the new cash is absorbed.ย I'll defer to the guys on here that know a lot more about the cap than I do but I believe that's how it works.ย ย That void money/years is just an accounting trick for already paid money. Any new contract would be additional $$ A new contract would es have to add the void money in addition to the new contract for cap purposes or just push out that cash again into new void years. At least that is my understanding. I believe that is correct. If Kirk does resign, the $28.5m still unamortized would need to be recognized against the cap in 2024-2027 in addition to any new money on his contract extension.
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Post by greenviking76 on Jan 5, 2024 18:46:05 GMT -6
We are back in a position we haven't been in since the Luck draft when Webb won on the road against the Eagles to ruin our chances of getting number 1. Just lose against the Lions and our position to draft a qb looks pretty good.
Finally, don't trade Jefferson for anything less than Mahomes. Trading Jefferson for a gamble on a rookie qb is not smart.
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Post by Vikeroo on Jan 5, 2024 19:10:47 GMT -6
I hope Maye and Williams are gone by the time we draft.
Penix or Nix are better in my book. McCaffrey Would be a nice consolation prize if we could drop down 2-4 slots and still be able to get him; plus a 2nd this year, and a first next year, and maybe a 7th this year. I still prefer Nix or Penix with our first if still there at our original pick. Put either one of those two behind KC for a year or two and we'd have our QB for the future. At least Nix or Penix; I believe could come in and play if KC went down again next season. I don't know a lot about Maye, because every time I had a chance to watch N.C. he didn't play? We should have a very good chance to get one of the top QB's in this years draft even if we stay at #12. I don't think Hall is the man for the job imo. A backup; maybe, but a starter naa.
Penix and Nix are old old prospects for QB's and Nix played in a gimmick offense while Penix has the major injury red flags.
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Post by lunas on Jan 6, 2024 0:09:24 GMT -6
Brett Kollmann: "I don't think people realize how hard the Vikings tried to trade up for Anthony Richardson last year. Like, the haul that they put on the table was massive. They were going to give away the entire farm, all of it. They were going to give everything." "But, it takes two to tango. Their trade partner thought that they were going to be too good, and so they went elsewhere."
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Post by vr46 on Jan 6, 2024 0:36:55 GMT -6
Brett Kollmann: "I don't think people realize how hard the Vikings tried to trade up for Anthony Richardson last year. Like, the haul that they put on the table was massive. They were going to give away the entire farm, all of it. They were going to give everything." "But, it takes two to tango. Their trade partner thought that they were going to be too good, and so they went elsewhere." Take it what itโs worthโฆ "But, it takes two to tango. Their trade partner thought that they were going to be too good, and so they went elsewhere." What does this mean?
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Post by vr46 on Jan 6, 2024 0:41:48 GMT -6
80% of the votes going to see who falls to us, is it any wonder the Wilfs strive for mediocrity?
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