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Post by iceratz16 on Mar 29, 2024 14:15:34 GMT -6
Why have the Vikings not agreed to terms with him? I still don't understand the way he was managed earlier in the season and why now they haven't signed him. He has missed only 4 games in 5 years and is a stable force on the oline that the Vikings need, IMO.
Anyone have any insight?
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Post by purplepastor on Mar 29, 2024 14:38:04 GMT -6
He is not the best run blocker and that could be the rub, especially given that we are going to need to be able to run the ball more. However, I tend to think there must be something else about him that teams aren't appreciating. Don't know if its a personality/quirk type thing or maybe just the $$ and type of contract he wants.
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Post by comet52 on Mar 29, 2024 14:46:07 GMT -6
He doesn't run block well. He's had trouble finding anyone to sign him last year and now again this year.
If he does sign a deal worth at least 3+ mil/year with someone else, it should give us a 2025 3rd round comp pick that the Shaquill Griffin signing erased. I think that's our best hope right now with Risner. It has to happen pretty soon, there is a deadline date on this which I can't find at the moment but in past years it was at the end of April or beginning of May.
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Post by taz24 on Mar 29, 2024 15:17:15 GMT -6
I don't think the Vikings see him as an above average guard and are likely hoping he signs elsewhere for enough to give them a 3rd comp. I think they honestly prefer Brandel projecting as a starting guard in 2024 over Risner.
Since nobody else has signed Dalton during the early phase of FA I think the league shares Vikings take on what Ris is.
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Post by tavike on Mar 29, 2024 15:20:46 GMT -6
He doesn't run block well. He's had trouble finding anyone to sign him last year and now again this year. If he does sign a deal worth at least 3+ mil/year with someone else, it should give us a 2025 3rd round comp pick that the Shaquill Griffin signing erased. I think that's our best hope right now with Risner. It has to happen pretty soon, there is a deadline date on this which I can't find at the moment but in past years it was at the end of April or beginning of May. Was Griffin worth a 3rd round pick next year, or in other words, would you have traded a 2025 3rd round pick for Griffin?
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Post by taz24 on Mar 29, 2024 15:29:40 GMT -6
absolutely. Never let comp picks determine your FA signings.
Since it is a 25 pick discount it at least a round so it is really a 4 or 5. Not huge value and certainly something you can replace by hitting on an undrafted FA or making a modest FA depth signing.
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Post by shawn3458 on Mar 29, 2024 15:30:40 GMT -6
He doesn't run block well.Β He's had trouble finding anyone to sign him last year and now again this year.Β Β If he does sign a deal worth at least 3+ mil/year with someone else, it should give us a 2025 3rd round comp pick that the Shaquill Griffin signing erased.Β Β I think that's our best hope right now with Risner.Β It has to happen pretty soon, there is a deadline date on this which I can't find at the moment but in past years it was at the end of April or beginning of May. Was Griffin worth a 3rd round pick next year, or in other words, would you have traded a 2025 3rd round pick for Griffin? Easy answer- Hell no!
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Post by iceratz16 on Mar 29, 2024 15:46:35 GMT -6
I don't think the Vikings see him as an above average guard and are likely hoping he signs elsewhere for enough to give them a 3rd comp. I think they honestly prefer Brandel projecting as a starting guard in 2024 over Risner. Since nobody else has signed Dalton during the early phase of FA I think the league shares Vikings take on what Ris is. Yeah, I don't understand why the Vikings would rate Brandel higher than Risner. Risner may not be the best run blocker, but you rarely find 5 olineman that can do both run and pass block well. Risner does the intangible and little things well, IMO. He stays healthy, he runs down the field and helps his guys up, and he will fight for his teammates (brings the nasty), which is something we need.
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Post by iceratz16 on Mar 29, 2024 15:47:16 GMT -6
He is not the best run blocker and that could be the rub, especially given that we are going to need to be able to run the ball more. However, I tend to think there must be something else about him that teams aren't appreciating. Don't know if its a personality/quirk type thing or maybe just the $$ and type of contract he wants. Could be money, but the former makes no sense as he's a team-oriented and loyal guy.
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Post by redbird87 on Mar 29, 2024 15:59:10 GMT -6
He is not the best run blocker and that could be the rub, especially given that we are going to need to be able to run the ball more. However, I tend to think there must be something else about him that teams aren't appreciating. Don't know if its a personality/quirk type thing or maybe just the $$ and type of contract he wants. Could be money, but the former makes no sense as he's a team-oriented and loyal guy. Iβm not pounding the table for this guy but heβs the best Int Pass Pro guy we have. He isnβt a great run blocker but Brandel isnβt a great pass blocker. The two are like polar opposites β¦. But then you have Ingram who thus far isnβt great at either. 6M forZeitler would have been a nice move.
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Post by BigRussian on Mar 29, 2024 16:04:22 GMT -6
rumor is: cant run block - thats no rumor agent sucks - just fired him and i heard he is outspoken and something to do with the players union that owners dont like?
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Post by taz24 on Mar 29, 2024 16:07:19 GMT -6
PFF which I believe is a terrible rating service and a lot of posters like Risner better than I do.
Went through it last year with the angst and table pounding to sign him. Came on board an kind of underwhelmed IMO. Lot of looking around behind at the line of scrimmage which I never understood a lot of hey let me help you up when players were usually like yeah just throw a block for christ sake.
I could be wrong but looks like Viking interest is basically minimal or nonexistent. I think he learned his lesson about waiting until the season starts so expect Risner to sign a small contract somewhere else soon, possible he signs a backup level contract with Vikings.
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Post by taz24 on Mar 29, 2024 16:14:38 GMT -6
I will say as far as off the field I don't see any problem.
Risner is very involved with his foundation Rise UP which is meant to serve communities. His wife Whitey is a big Social Influencer with over 1M followers.
I am guessing the money and production is just not matching up for teams. Ris will prob get more offers after the draft plays out.
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Post by comet52 on Mar 29, 2024 18:26:03 GMT -6
He doesn't run block well. He's had trouble finding anyone to sign him last year and now again this year. If he does sign a deal worth at least 3+ mil/year with someone else, it should give us a 2025 3rd round comp pick that the Shaquill Griffin signing erased. I think that's our best hope right now with Risner. It has to happen pretty soon, there is a deadline date on this which I can't find at the moment but in past years it was at the end of April or beginning of May. Was Griffin worth a 3rd round pick next year, or in other words, would you have traded a 2025 3rd round pick for Griffin? I don't know, and that deal's already done. I'm just saying the Vikings aren't bringing Risner back, so if someone else would sign him in the next month we'd get a comp pick. If he signs later in the year we get nothing. I'm generally in favor of us getting all we can when we can.
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Post by tavike on Mar 29, 2024 19:25:07 GMT -6
Was Griffin worth a 3rd round pick next year, or in other words, would you have traded a 2025 3rd round pick for Griffin? I don't know, and that deal's already done. I'm just saying the Vikings aren't bringing Risner back, so if someone else would sign him in the next month we'd get a comp pick. If he signs later in the year we get nothing. I'm generally in favor of us getting all we can when we can. I just think there is no chance anyone is signing Risner before the deadline and I think the Vikes knew that. So they thought that Griffin was worth a 2025 third round pick.
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