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Post by PrΰΆ§udhΰΆ§rn on Mar 27, 2024 18:42:22 GMT -6
Hard to blame the scouts without knowing whom they wanted to pick. If I tell you to go to Firehouse Subs and order the Smokehouse Beef & Cheddar Brisket sandwich and you instead order the Chicken Parmesan Meatball sandwich and it sucks is it my fault or yours? Well they are the one common denominator between 20' & 21' drafts and 22' & 23' drafts. We haven't seen their scouting reports either. Or whom they wanted to pick. We're placing the blame randomly.
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Post by vikes79 on Mar 27, 2024 20:19:45 GMT -6
I don't think it is a high probability, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Vikings didn't trade up for 1 reason and one reason only....the cupboard is pretty bare (particularly at depth).Β Β Here are the last 4 drafts:Β 2020 Draft- Jefferson, Gladney, Cleveland, Dantzler, Wonnam, Lynch, Dye, Hand2021 Draft -Β Darrisaw, Mond, Surratt, Davis, Jones II, Nwangwu, Bynum, RobinsonΒ Β Β Β Β Β Β Β Β Β Β Β Β Β Β Β Β Β Β Β Β Β Β Β Β Β
2022 Draft - Cine, Booth, Ingram,Β Asamoah, Evans, Otomewo, Chandler, Lowe, Nailor, Muse Β Β Β Β Β Β Β Β Β Β Β
2023 Draft - Addison, Blackmon, Ward, Roy, Hall, McBride The last 4 drafts have been abysmal.Β Out of the last 4 drafts the Vikings have walked away with: - 4 Tier 1 Players (players who are, or look to be, locks for 2nd contracts (above average players) Jefferson, Darrisaw, Bynum, Addison.
- 7 Tier 2 Players (Players who are seeing the field regularly and being given a chance to develop but are thus far only average to below average or injury riddled and questionable to get a 2nd contract. Not viewed
as a reliable or desirable long term solution) Cleveland, Wonnam, Dantzler, Jones II, Evans, Ingram, Chandler, Blackmon
- Tier 3, players that are struggling or struggled to see the field and or have shown little thus far outside of special teams:Β The Rest.Β (may be a few in 23 draft that move up to tier 2, but longshot to Tier 1)Β Green indicates players already released.
When you are essentially only hitting on 1 player per draft 4 years in a row, it tends to leave the the cupboard somewhat bare.Β Compounding that issue has been that these 4 poor years consecutively happened while we were turning over our roster and getting rid of all of our marquee veterans (Thielen, Diggs, Cousins, Hunter, Kendricks, Barr, Cook, Tomlinson, Joseph, Rhoades, Rudolf).Β Point being,Β we lack high end young talent on cheap deals needed to rebuild and replenish the roster.Β If we trade away 3 1's for a QB this year that leaves us 1 2nd Rd Pick and what looks like 3-3rd Rd picks (though at the bottom end) next year and no 2nd or 3rd this year to fill and build out the roster from rounds most likely to produce Tier 1 players.Β If you are truly re-building you need picks than that.Β We will have a fair amount of cap space but FA is largely comprised of Tier 2 players or Tier 1 players that are on the downside of their careers but still getting paid like they are in their primes.Β In other words you can help your roster in FA, but you can't usually build it that way.Β I still think they are going to trade up, but I wouldn't view failing to do so as a failure.Β In fact, there are far more teams that have failed by trading away the farm for a QB than those that didn't.Β Many of the best teams either selected a QB high with a high pick like Chicago is likely to do or took a QB that fell to them.Β Those that reach more often than not get burned.Β I can get on board with either plan so long as they get the right guy in a trade up and don't over pay, and or sit tight and take longshots/projects or pass on great talents for more lower picks.Β Β Either way, I think the Vikings are likely to not fail this draft unless their scouting department continues to be awful.Β Β This is why I donβt believe JJ will be with the Vikingsβ¦after the draftβ¦simply way too many misses in the past leading to a ton of needs.
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Post by thehustle on Mar 28, 2024 8:09:24 GMT -6
Waitβ¦Penix is someoneβs actual name?
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Post by taz24 on Mar 28, 2024 15:13:26 GMT -6
Viking depth after FA is actually pretty good. And yes you have to count FA, because that is also why a guy like Wonnum is gone.
The Vikings will almost certainly be offering a 5th year to Ingram, Wright and Blackmon.
You have to account for Pace Jr. somewhere. Another hit.
Minnesota Vikings have the best roster for any of the young QBs. Honestly 2nd might be Chicago with the additions they have made and are making.
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Post by Vikeroo on Mar 28, 2024 16:19:19 GMT -6
Viking depth after FA is actually pretty good. And yes you have to count FA, because that is also why a guy like Wonnum is gone. The Vikings will almost certainly be offering a 5th year to Ingram, Wright and Blackmon. You have to account for Pace Jr. somewhere. Another hit. Minnesota Vikings have the best roster for any of the young QBs. Honestly 2nd might be Chicago with the additions they have made and are making. 5th year options are for 1st rounders only. Vikings have been looking at draftable punters so not sure Wright is a lock long term. Bears roster is actually pretty good for a rookie QB and I think the main difference for a rookie QB would be getting to work for an offensive minded HC with KOC.
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