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Post by blackmagic7 on Mar 25, 2024 21:11:06 GMT -6
Clicking with Maye, you mean?
I'll bite, just my opinion though. I think Maye's issue in the NFL will be ball placement. He is not a laser accurate thrower when things are clean and/or on schedule. He looks like he has great touch in the highlights and then you see some throws in between where he looks, idk, lazy with the delivery. There are many plays you can easily nitpick obvious ways throws (clean ones) could have (or should have) been better.
There is some tape of him running screens and while he gets the ball out fast and it's completed, the WR or RB has to adjust to the ball in a way that causes him to reset himself to run with it. There are some crossers where Maye is clean and sees it right but the WR has to make a backwards adjustment to haul it in.
The offense UNC runs somehow recalls Washingtons' in my mind. They are similar in few ways - spread, protections, reads. I think Pennix is more accurate at putting the ball where he wants, when he wants. When things are good for each guy at the top of their drop back, Maye is the guy that more often makes the poorer throw. Pennix gets flustered and rattled more easily and plays die as he melts under dynamic pressure. Maye gets more condensed formations and under pressure he has a more natural feel to buy time with his eyes down field. Pennix is more aggressive with his feel for the passing game (taking/hitting shots). Maye is more comfortable letting passing plays develop.
(I rarely listen to draft experts or talking heads and just watch tape. If these thoughts go against the grain, well, they are my own lol)
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Post by tavike on Mar 25, 2024 22:04:46 GMT -6
Itβs also very possible that the Broncos offer just a hair more than us to move up and steal our guy. They donβt have a viable backup QB so they are definitely going QB with their pick It would be hard for the Broncos to offer more. They only have pick 12 and no second round pick this year next pick is 76. There really isn't much possibility of them out bidding the Vikings.
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Post by VikeNation101 on Mar 25, 2024 22:35:01 GMT -6
Letβs be honest, as Viking fans, would ANYTHING surprise us? I wouldnβt be surprised at any scenario.
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Post by skolvike on Mar 25, 2024 22:40:04 GMT -6
It doesn't matter if you are 100% must get up to get Maye, or get up to #4 for JJ McCarthy. There is just a big a chance that the Vikings don't trade up and get one of these QBs and there are several reasons why; -the Pats don't want to trade out of #3. They have decided that they are taking their QBOTF at #3 and that's it -the Cards don't want to move down to #11 no matter what the Vikings are willing to trade -the Vikings don't think that McCarty is good enough prospect to be a top ten pick -the Vikings see no difference betweeen McCarthy and Penix and Nix -if the Vikings are willing to give up a huge amount of draft capital maybe the teams there also feel the prospect is worth that much so they will not move down -the Giants, Broncos, or some other team are willing to way overpay and outbid the Vikings Draft night is going to be fun, it will be interesting, I hope things go great for the Vikings and they get the next great QB, but we all need to be prepared that it doesn't go the way we think it will or maybe nomatter how hard they try, they don't get to where they want, with the guy they want on the board. 1 and 2 might happen, depending on the other teams, but 3 is flat wrong since McCarty fits exactly with what the vikings like to do; 4 is utterly ridiculous; and there is no team in the league wanting a QB that can offer two 1st rounders THIS year which meams realizing the value of the trade this year instead of 2 years from now.
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Post by taz24 on Mar 25, 2024 22:52:22 GMT -6
I don't really need to prepare for failure I prefer to enjoy the journey.
I don't have a huge preference what we do in the draft. I think we will try to get a top QB prospect if the opportunity arises but I don't have much preference which one. I know all QB prospects can bust and scouting/judging them seems to be an extremely inaccurate science.
You hear so many things and lot of them are true just don't know how to weigh them.
Williams will be gone Daniels is a talent but so thin Maye is big, strong with a big arm but he misses too many layup throws and his footwork gets lazy. McCarthy was never asked to do that much. Penix has a big injury history. Nix threw so much underneath and behind it makes you wonder if he is a system QB.
I am going to trust the Viking scouting department to make this choice or roll with Darnold. I feel pretty confident of the coaches and players we will put around the QB.
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Post by RF54 on Mar 26, 2024 5:23:34 GMT -6
Nothing we are hearing can be trusted this time of year. Tis the season of deception, diversion, distraction, distotion, manuevers, mislead, slight of hand, smoke screens, shams, curveballs, canards, bait and switch, hogwash, hoaxes, spoofs, swindle, canard, conceal, cloak, fabrication, fib, feigning, fibbery, faking, fables, red herrings, equivocation... or any other term that you can think of to throw off teams of their intensions.
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Post by legion11 on Mar 26, 2024 7:50:42 GMT -6
Letβs be honest, as Viking fans, would ANYTHING surprise us? I wouldnβt be surprised at any scenario. We trade #11, #23, and a 2025 1st to ARI to move up to #4. Either Maye or JJM are available, depending on the WASH/NE selections. We then fail to get our card in on time. The Chargers already have a Marv Harrison Jr card filled out and rush it in. The Giants also pounce ahead and snag Maye/JJM. We crap our pants, take Bo Nix at six overall, and then claim in a presser that "he was our guy all along."
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Post by legion11 on Mar 26, 2024 7:51:55 GMT -6
Nothing we are hearing can be trusted this time of year. Tis the season of deception, diversion, distraction, distotion, manuevers, mislead, slight of hand, smoke screens, shams, curveballs, canards, bait and switch, hogwash, hoaxes, spoofs, swindle, canard, conceal, cloak, fabrication, fib, feigning, fibbery, faking, fables, red herrings, equivocation... or any other term that you can think of to throw off teams of their intensions. Skullduggery? Chicanery?
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Post by bjammnbleedspurple on Mar 26, 2024 9:26:49 GMT -6
And donβt forget downright sneakinessβ¦donβt underestimate my sneakiness lol.
The one thing I keep having a hard time with is all the talk about a Qb fitting into what KOC wantsβ¦well, if there is any truth to the rumors last year about the Vikes trying to move up and get Richardson, whom I DO NOT consider a classic pocket passer, how does that make any sense that Daniels or another Qb isnβt a fit for what KOC wants to doβ¦idk pure speculation but fun to talk aboutβ¦.SKOL
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Post by coolrider45 on Mar 26, 2024 9:32:49 GMT -6
I don't care who they pick as long as they are right. The guy doesn't matter to me, it's the process in which they decided who to pick. That's what they get paid the big bucks for.
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Post by burntpackerdbs84 on Mar 26, 2024 9:34:33 GMT -6
Letβs be honest, as Viking fans, would ANYTHING surprise us? I wouldnβt be surprised at any scenario. Agreed.
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Post by skolvike on Mar 26, 2024 9:55:39 GMT -6
I fully anticipate us not being able to move up enough to get any of the QBs. We will trade down, gather more picks in the second or third and pick in the late teens and 23. DT and whichever QB is left. If no QB then BPA at CB or IOL Can you explain to me the purpose of trading UP by trading away 2 2nd rounders, and then trading back DOWN for maybe one 2nd of lesser value and a 3rd? Have you really thought this through?
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Post by skolvike on Mar 26, 2024 10:02:46 GMT -6
I don't really need to prepare for failure I prefer to enjoy the journey. I don't have a huge preference what we do in the draft. I think we will try to get a top QB prospect if the opportunity arises but I don't have much preference which one. I know all QB prospects can bust and scouting/judging them seems to be an extremely inaccurate science. You hear so many things and lot of them are true just don't know how to weigh them. Williams will be gone Daniels is a talent but so thin Maye is big, strong with a big arm but he misses too many layup throws and his footwork gets lazy. McCarthy was never asked to do that much. Penix has a big injury history. Nix threw so much underneath and behind it makes you wonder if he is a system QB. I am going to trust the Viking scouting department to make this choice or roll with Darnold. I feel pretty confident of the coaches and players we will put around the QB. Your list of negatives dovetails with mine, but one fact stands out in it. All of them except McCarthy have negatives directly pertaining to their play (Even Daniels' ectomorphism) while McCarthy's negative had nothing to do with his skills but with the scheme he was asked to execute. At the very worst, it is nothing but a minor question since he executed everything he was asked very well. I am leaning strongly towards him for the lack of those same reasons you mentioned with the other guys.
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Post by RF54 on Mar 26, 2024 10:28:38 GMT -6
"All of them except McCarthy have negatives directly pertaining to their play (Even Daniels' ectomorphism) while McCarthy's negative had nothing to do with his skills but with the scheme he was asked to execute. " he is far from perfect
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Post by skolvike on Mar 26, 2024 11:05:22 GMT -6
Instead I get a list of things that fly in the face of objective data. Wake up, it is time to accept the fact they are as likely to be trading up into the top 5 to get Maye or Daniels as they are JJM. I will not be disappointed if they get any of the top 4, first of all, YES, i do believe they are trying to get into top 3 to get their top guy but my point is that is just not a sure thing. The fact that Houston came to Minny offering the #23rd pick is interesting. Yes it gives more ammo for a trade up but there are teams that can simply offer more. I know that if they do move up they will have to make a huge move to get #3 or #4. Within seconds fans will be pulling out the old trade chart and screeming Kwesi gave uo too much. I am just stating I can see where it is just as likely to fail getting their guy are they are to pull it off. I see the likelyhood of getting Maye at 25%. Daniels maybe 5%. McCarthy I would say is 50% chance. Right now every team is war gaming and they should have at least 11 possible scenarios and plans for early Thurday night. Yes it gives more ammo for a trade up but there are teams that can simply offer more. Who can offermore than 2 1sts this year? Future picks are always downgraded one full round, so a 2025 1st is valued as a 2nd. Further, 2 1sts this year means the receiving team gets the benefit of the trade THIS year, not 2 years from now. There is NO team who can offer more than the Vikings without offering their entire draft, and Dick Butkus is dead now. Within seconds fans will be pulling out the old trade chart and screeming Kwesi gave uo too much. DO you really think they care WHAT the fans scream about? The only people they worry about screaming at the are the Wilfs.
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