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Post by taz24 on Mar 21, 2024 23:45:16 GMT -6
Wow, some of you guys are obtuse.
I am pretty clear KAM planned to attempt to resign Hunter. When that plan failed and Hunter decided to go home to Houston KAM pivoted to and impemented parts of the plan he developed for that scenario.
Sorry you don't like the players he has brought in. Too bad because some pretty good football players in that group.
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Post by frantheman10 on Mar 22, 2024 3:53:14 GMT -6
He should have been traded in October after kirk got hurt and the season was for all intensive purposes over.Β They still had playoff hopes in October. And probably hoped to get a long-term deal done. For all intents and purposes... You play to win the game!Yeah they had hope of the playoffs but was the probability that this was a SB team post the Kirk injury? Maybe 5%. Then what was the probability of signing Hunter long term after failing the previous 2 offseasons? Maybe 25%? So you have a 5% chance of getting to the SB and a 25% chance of keeping Hunter in 2024. For an analytical guy, seems like KAM should have moved him. How much better would you feel now about getting a QB if you had another 2nd rd pick?
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Post by burntpackerdbs84 on Mar 22, 2024 7:07:54 GMT -6
Wow, some of you guys are obtuse.Β I am pretty clear KAM planned to attempt to resign Hunter.Β When that plan failed and Hunter decided to go home to Houston KAM pivoted to and impemented parts of the plan he developed for that scenario. Sorry you don't like the players he has brought in.Β Too bad because some pretty good football players in that group. The jury is out. Davenport NOPE, Mattison NOPE, Lowry NOPE, thinking Mullens/Hall were good enough backups and then getting Dobbs NOPE, Jesse Davis NOPE, Chandon Sullivan NOPE, ZA'Darius Smith NOPE. Cine NOPE, Booth NOPE, Ingram NOPE, Asamoah NOPE, Evans NOPE. Ward/Roy not much either. You want me to keep going?
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Post by mjollnir on Mar 22, 2024 8:58:27 GMT -6
Wow, some of you guys are obtuse. I am pretty clear KAM planned to attempt to resign Hunter. When that plan failed and Hunter decided to go home to Houston KAM pivoted to and impemented parts of the plan he developed for that scenario. Sorry you don't like the players he has brought in. Too bad because some pretty good football players in that group. The jury is out. Davenport NOPE, Mattison NOPE, Lowry NOPE, thinking Mullens/Hall were good enough backups and then getting Dobbs NOPE, Jesse Davis NOPE, Chandon Sullivan NOPE, ZA'Darius Smith NOPE. Cine NOPE, Booth NOPE, Ingram NOPE, Asamoah NOPE, Evans NOPE. Ward/Roy not much either. You want me to keep going? Pretty petty and nearsighted NOPE. Davenport, Lowry both were not good moves. Mattison as to the alternative of keeping Cook actually was a addition by subtraction (should put the RB's are a dime a dozen guys in their place...but it won't). Mullens/Hall were exactly what they were on the roster for (limited backups expected to see limited time) Kirk going down with only Hall able to play against Atlanta it forced the Dobb's move (we had nobody else on the roster nobody naatta.... sorry wasn't a bad move wasn't a good move either. It was a move to continue business and keep fans somewhat interested from that respect it worked because it was as fun as hell to watch the games where he won). Jesse Davis? ? Signed a guy for peanuts and turned it into a condition 7th round pick Sullivan? other then a penalty in the Colts game (which we historically won and had a 13-4 season) gave us 10 starts and a fumble recovery on a defense that was poorly lead. He was a 1 year tryout. Za Darius some quality games but ultimately was not worth the contract. And again a poorly run defense. Cine hey the kid is like the other 50% in the first round that do not make a second contract with the team that drafted them. But it is not like the guys in front of him are trash seriously Bynum and Metellus earned their positions. Booth is playing into a role. Yes he is a disappointment so far Ingram is slowly become a decent starter Asamoah something did not click and got into the dog house Evans flashes started strong ended sucking. Ward/Roy 4th and 5th round selections that both got some playing time. Considering on average they only had a 30-35% chance of making it at all first year what do you expect. Seem you forgot Addison, Hockinson, Chandler, Blackmon, Murphy, Risner. You would have been better off leading with they went 13-4 in 2022 and 7-10 in 2023 and are going backwards. It is common and standard you judge a draft 3 years later he has not been there 3 years. As to the free agent moves, they have done what they could with the dollars they have. Half this board was bitching about Kirk taking salary and Hunter going to take salary that would leave nothing for JJ. Well Kirk and Hunter are gone, now the cat calls are to move JJ on a 50/50 gamble at best of draft picks. Lord I hate the Reset the video game mentality today.
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Post by burntpackerdbs84 on Mar 22, 2024 9:32:08 GMT -6
The jury is out. Davenport NOPE, Mattison NOPE, Lowry NOPE, thinking Mullens/Hall were good enough backups and then getting Dobbs NOPE, Jesse Davis NOPE, Chandon Sullivan NOPE, ZA'Darius Smith NOPE. Cine NOPE, Booth NOPE, Ingram NOPE, Asamoah NOPE, Evans NOPE. Ward/Roy not much either. You want me to keep going? Pretty petty and nearsighted NOPE.Β Davenport, Lowry both were not good moves.Β Mattison as to the alternative of keeping Cook actually was a addition by subtraction (should put the RB's are a dime a dozen guys in their place...but it won't).Β Mullens/Hall were exactly what they were on the roster for (limited backups expected to see limited time) Kirk going down with only Hall able to play against Atlanta it forced the Dobb's move (we had nobody else on the roster nobody naatta....Β sorry wasn't a bad move wasn't a good move either.Β It was a move to continue business and keep fans somewhat interested from that respect it worked because it was as fun as hellΒ to watch the games where he won). Jesse Davis? ?Β Signed a guy for peanuts and turned it into a condition 7th round pick Sullivan? other then a penalty in the Colts game (which we historically won and had a 13-4 season) gave us 10 starts and a fumble recovery on a defense that was poorly lead.Β He was a 1 year tryout. Za Darius some quality games but ultimately was not worth the contract.Β And again a poorly run defense. Cine hey the kid is like the other 50% in the first round that do not make a second contract with the team that drafted them.Β But it is not like the guys in front of him are trash seriously Bynum and Metellus earned their positions. Booth is playing into a role.Β Yes he is a disappointment so far Ingram is slowly become a decent starter Asamoah something did not click and got into the dog house Evans flashes started strong ended sucking. Ward/Roy 4th and 5th round selections that both got some playing time.Β Considering on average they only had a 30-35% chance of making it at all first year what do you expect. Seem you forgot Addison, Hockinson, Chandler, Blackmon, Murphy, Risner. You would have been better off leading with they went 13-4 in 2022 and 7-10 in 2023 and are going backwards.Β It is common and standard you judge a draft 3 years later he has not been there 3 years.Β As to the free agent moves.Β They have done what they could with the dollars they have.Β Half this board was bitching about Kirk taking salary and Hunter going to take salary that would leave nothing for JJ.Β Well Kirk and Hunter are gone.Β Now the cat calls are to move JJ on a 50/50 gamble at best of draft picks.Β Lord I hate the Reset the video game mentality today. Risner isn't resigned is he? Which is stupid. Listen, if JJ doesn't wanna be here why hold him captivate? I want him on the team, but if he is complaining and can't wait out the progression on a rookie QB, why keep him then? Hockenson drops balls, hate to say it. Blackmon and Murphy are average thus far. Chandler haven't seen enough. His biggest prize is Addison. And Hockenson is solid, but could we have just drafted a TE in that draft and not helped the Lions, like we helped the Packers? And could have had Kyle Hamilton, which was a huge F up by him. And that rookie TE would be on a rookie deal too. A few good moves do not out weigh the terrible moves. He must hit on the QB and hit big or he won't have a job by the end of 2025.
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Post by mjollnir on Mar 22, 2024 10:01:25 GMT -6
Pretty petty and nearsighted NOPE. Davenport, Lowry both were not good moves. Mattison as to the alternative of keeping Cook actually was a addition by subtraction (should put the RB's are a dime a dozen guys in their place...but it won't). Mullens/Hall were exactly what they were on the roster for (limited backups expected to see limited time) Kirk going down with only Hall able to play against Atlanta it forced the Dobb's move (we had nobody else on the roster nobody naatta.... sorry wasn't a bad move wasn't a good move either. It was a move to continue business and keep fans somewhat interested from that respect it worked because it was as fun as hell to watch the games where he won). Jesse Davis? ? Signed a guy for peanuts and turned it into a condition 7th round pick Sullivan? other then a penalty in the Colts game (which we historically won and had a 13-4 season) gave us 10 starts and a fumble recovery on a defense that was poorly lead. He was a 1 year tryout. Za Darius some quality games but ultimately was not worth the contract. And again a poorly run defense. Cine hey the kid is like the other 50% in the first round that do not make a second contract with the team that drafted them. But it is not like the guys in front of him are trash seriously Bynum and Metellus earned their positions. Booth is playing into a role. Yes he is a disappointment so far Ingram is slowly become a decent starter Asamoah something did not click and got into the dog house Evans flashes started strong ended sucking. Ward/Roy 4th and 5th round selections that both got some playing time. Considering on average they only had a 30-35% chance of making it at all first year what do you expect. Seem you forgot Addison, Hockinson, Chandler, Blackmon, Murphy, Risner. You would have been better off leading with they went 13-4 in 2022 and 7-10 in 2023 and are going backwards. It is common and standard you judge a draft 3 years later he has not been there 3 years. As to the free agent moves. They have done what they could with the dollars they have. Half this board was bitching about Kirk taking salary and Hunter going to take salary that would leave nothing for JJ. Well Kirk and Hunter are gone. Now the cat calls are to move JJ on a 50/50 gamble at best of draft picks. Lord I hate the Reset the video game mentality today. Risner isn't resigned is he? Which is stupid. Listen, if JJ doesn't wanna be here why hold him captivate? I want him on the team, but if he is complaining and can't wait out the progression on a rookie QB, why keep him then? Hockenson drops balls, hate to say it. Blackmon and Murphy are average thus far. Chandler haven't seen enough. His biggest prize is Addison. And Hockenson is solid, but could we have just drafted a TE in that draft and not helped the Lions, like we helped the Packers? And could have had Kyle Hamilton, which was a huge F up by him. And that rookie TE would be on a rookie deal too. A few good moves do not out weigh the terrible moves. He must hit on the QB and hit big or he won't have a job by the end of 2025. I have yet to see anything that says JJ want out, I have seen posturing for the #1 receiver in the league making sure he gets paid as such. Risner is contract negotiation 101, he thinks he is worth more then ..... well everybody. Nobody bit last year until we brought him in September. Sounds like it is continuing as he is a free agent and the only thing I hear is him telling the Vikings and the NFL. "Just In case anyone was wonderingβ¦ Iβve started 73 games over 5 years in the leagueβ¦ missing only 4 games due to injuryβ¦ earning the starting spot amongst 3 different coaching staffsβ¦ Iβve never asked for a bag, simply just a starting guard contract."The tell here is have the Vikings made an offer or not.
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Post by burntpackerdbs84 on Mar 22, 2024 11:02:12 GMT -6
Risner isn't resigned is he? Which is stupid. Listen, if JJ doesn't wanna be here why hold him captivate? I want him on the team, but if he is complaining and can't wait out the progression on a rookie QB, why keep him then? Hockenson drops balls, hate to say it. Blackmon and Murphy are average thus far. Chandler haven't seen enough. His biggest prize is Addison. And Hockenson is solid, but could we have just drafted a TE in that draft and not helped the Lions, like we helped the Packers? And could have had Kyle Hamilton, which was a huge F up by him. And that rookie TE would be on a rookie deal too. A few good moves do not out weigh the terrible moves. He must hit on the QB and hit big or he won't have a job by the end of 2025. I have yet to see anything that says JJ want out, I have seen posturing for the #1 receiver in the league making sure he gets paid as such. Risner is contract negotiation 101, he thinks he is worth more then ..... well everybody. Nobody bit last year until we brought him in September. Sounds like it is continuing as he is a free agent and the only thing I hear is him telling the Vikings and the NFL. "Just In case anyone was wonderingβ¦ Iβve started 73 games over 5 years in the leagueβ¦ missing only 4 games due to injuryβ¦ earning the starting spot amongst 3 different coaching staffsβ¦ Iβve never asked for a bag, simply just a starting guard contract."The tell here is have the Vikings made an offer or not. meaning they probably didn't and he is a pretty solid lineman and we need a solid lineman, but whatever I guess. and I did say IF JJ wants out. No one knows except JJ and the Vikings if their has been any of that or not. I am just saying if there is, well just ship him off then. If not, get the damn deal done already so the BS ends. If they offered him a deal last year to be the highest and he turned it down because he needs to know our QB situation(which again could be another made up thing) then that kinda right there tells you enough. The team dictates stuff, not the player. Unless you are Mahomes or Tom Brady.
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Post by mjollnir on Mar 22, 2024 11:17:03 GMT -6
I have yet to see anything that says JJ want out, I have seen posturing for the #1 receiver in the league making sure he gets paid as such. Risner is contract negotiation 101, he thinks he is worth more then ..... well everybody. Nobody bit last year until we brought him in September. Sounds like it is continuing as he is a free agent and the only thing I hear is him telling the Vikings and the NFL. "Just In case anyone was wonderingβ¦ Iβve started 73 games over 5 years in the leagueβ¦ missing only 4 games due to injuryβ¦ earning the starting spot amongst 3 different coaching staffsβ¦ Iβve never asked for a bag, simply just a starting guard contract."The tell here is have the Vikings made an offer or not. meaning they probably didn't and he is a pretty solid lineman and we need a solid lineman, but whatever I guess. and I did say IF JJ wants out. No one knows except JJ and the Vikings if their has been any of that or not. I am just saying if there is, well just ship him off then. If not, get the damn deal done already so the BS ends. If they offered him a deal last year to be the highest and he turned it down because he needs to know our QB situation(which again could be another made up thing) then that kinda right there tells you enough. The team dictates stuff, not the player. Unless you are Mahomes or Tom Brady. Listen, if JJ doesn't wanna be here why hold him captivate?
While I agree with getting something for him I just don't like the mentality of taking a known commodity for a 50/50 preposition.
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Post by budgrant1 on Mar 22, 2024 11:21:27 GMT -6
Im sure part of KAM's plan was waiting for Houston to contact him for a trade
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Post by mjollnir on Mar 22, 2024 11:38:01 GMT -6
Im sure part of KAM's plan was waiting for Houston to contact him for a trade Where is the proof Houston initiated the trade. I would be more inclined there were phone calls from the Vikings inquiring to a couple of teams
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Post by budgrant1 on Mar 22, 2024 11:38:31 GMT -6
Im sure part of KAM's plan was waiting for Houston to contact him for a trade Where is the proof Houston initiated the trade. I would be more inclined there were phone calls from the Vikings inquiring to a couple of teams Why do you care?
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Post by burntpackerdbs84 on Mar 22, 2024 12:25:07 GMT -6
meaning they probably didn't and he is a pretty solid lineman and we need a solid lineman, but whatever I guess. and I did say IF JJ wants out. No one knows except JJ and the Vikings if their has been any of that or not. I am just saying if there is, well just ship him off then. If not, get the damn deal done already so the BS ends. If they offered him a deal last year to be the highest and he turned it down because he needs to know our QB situation(which again could be another made up thing) then that kinda right there tells you enough. The team dictates stuff, not the player. Unless you are Mahomes or Tom Brady. Listen, if JJ doesn't wanna be here why hold him captivate?
While I agree with getting something for him I just don't like the mentality of taking a known commodity for a 50/50 preposition. Me neither, but the f else can they do?
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Post by burntpackerdbs84 on Mar 22, 2024 12:26:53 GMT -6
Im sure part of KAM's plan was waiting for Houston to contact him for a trade And it ain't even enough to get into the top 3. So we gotta throw in next years 1st and it still might not be enough. In the end they will settle for plan B at QB, but will say "We got our man" then they will be unemployed by the end of 2025.
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Post by mjollnir on Mar 22, 2024 12:28:23 GMT -6
Where is the proof Houston initiated the trade. I would be more inclined there were phone calls from the Vikings inquiring to a couple of teams Why do you care? Because without the one little bit of evidence your theory is moot.
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Post by budgrant1 on Mar 22, 2024 12:35:09 GMT -6
Because without the one little bit of evidence your theory is moot. It was a SMARTASS comment in which you would have understood but alas you were too busy playing message board savior
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