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Post by marshalltohof on Mar 21, 2024 14:36:29 GMT -6
I disagree with the talk about should have traded Hunter last year. Vikings were coming off a 13-win season, probably last shot to get somewhere with Cousins at QB. You don't trade your best defensive player if you're interested in winning games.
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Post by frantheman10 on Mar 21, 2024 14:54:09 GMT -6
I disagree with the talk about should have traded Hunter last year. Vikings were coming off a 13-win season, probably last shot to get somewhere with Cousins at QB. You don't trade your best defensive player if you're interested in winning games. He should have been traded in October after kirk got hurt and the season was for all intensive purposes over.
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Post by greenviking76 on Mar 21, 2024 14:56:02 GMT -6
I have seen multiple outlets state we could have easily gotten a 1st for Hunter at the deadlineโฆa 2nd at worst. As for the QB issueโฆI think Kwesi sometimes overestimates what he thinks he brings to the bargaining table. He should have known after talks broke down last year with Kirk that he was either going to have to pay up or cut tiesโฆ.and if youโre going to cut tiesโฆ. You had to pick Leviโs when he fell to us. With the exception of maybe Ridder and DJonesโฆevery team looking for a QB was a high prob to be looking for a QB now a year ago. You had to know the market for Kirk would be strong. Hellโฆ.it was strong and he was coming off injury. Even if Levis maybe wasnโt as far along as hoped after you draft himโฆ.you donโt appear desperate to the point of being fleeced and if he did pan out you didnโt trade the farm to take him. But you have to have a viable and at least semi believable backup plan when you let a good Vet QB go unless you expect to be drafting high which he had to know was a low probability. you As a GMโฆ. Itโs the ONE thing you absolutely canโt do is go into a draft with no viable QB option and needing to trade up to get one. Every team knows they have you by the balls!! This talk of being fleeced by other teams because we are desperate is so overblown.ย Teams will make trades if it benefits them. Teams that want to trade back (Arizona? Chargers?) will trade back for the best deal.ย They won't turn the Vikings down if the Vikings have a better offer than any other team, unless they don't think it benefits them.ย ย The big hope for the Vikings has to be that the Cardinals take Marvin Harrison. That will leave the Chargers as the team to trade up with. The Chargers are in the same division as the Raiders and Broncos and hopefully will not want to trade with them. Then the Vikings could takeJJM.
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Post by tavike on Mar 21, 2024 15:32:01 GMT -6
I have seen multiple outlets state we could have easily gotten a 1st for Hunter at the deadlineโฆa 2nd at worst. As for the QB issueโฆI think Kwesi sometimes overestimates what he thinks he brings to the bargaining table. He should have known after talks broke down last year with Kirk that he was either going to have to pay up or cut tiesโฆ.and if youโre going to cut tiesโฆ. You had to pick Leviโs when he fell to us. With the exception of maybe Ridder and DJonesโฆevery team looking for a QB was a high prob to be looking for a QB now a year ago. You had to know the market for Kirk would be strong. Hellโฆ.it was strong and he was coming off injury. Even if Levis maybe wasnโt as far along as hoped after you draft himโฆ.you donโt appear desperate to the point of being fleeced and if he did pan out you didnโt trade the farm to take him. But you have to have a viable and at least semi believable backup plan when you let a good Vet QB go unless you expect to be drafting high which he had to know was a low probability. you As a GMโฆ. Itโs the ONE thing you absolutely canโt do is go into a draft with no viable QB option and needing to trade up to get one. Every team knows they have you by the balls!! I seem to remember clearly that the Vikes were not getting offers of more than a 3rd and a late round pick for Hunter from multiple outlets because he was going to be a free agent, so I think you are completely wrong on that. In hind sight they could have probably drafted Levis, and not drafted Addison. But seeing as KOC was banging the table for Levis and not Addison I can't even consider that a bad thing. Cousins market was one team, the Falcons, and I think there is going to be more to that story coming in the next few weeks. As far as desperate for A QB in the draft, It's not what a team needs that causes the price to go up, it's the quality of the draft at that position for any given year and the amount of teams that want that position. I think KAMs drafts have been bad for the most part, I'll give you that, but his handling of the Cousins situation, along with Cook, kendricks and Theilen have been handled correctly. As far as Hunter goes, it was a no win situation, the vikes were still in the playoff hunt and like I said before they were not getting offered more than a third per multiple outlets. Now, I will give you a third this year is better than a comp pick third next year.
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Post by redbird87 on Mar 21, 2024 15:33:50 GMT -6
I have seen multiple outlets state we could have easily gotten a 1st for Hunter at the deadlineโฆa 2nd at worst. As for the QB issueโฆI think Kwesi sometimes overestimates what he thinks he brings to the bargaining table. He should have known after talks broke down last year with Kirk that he was either going to have to pay up or cut tiesโฆ.and if youโre going to cut tiesโฆ. You had to pick Leviโs when he fell to us. With the exception of maybe Ridder and DJonesโฆevery team looking for a QB was a high prob to be looking for a QB now a year ago. You had to know the market for Kirk would be strong. Hellโฆ.it was strong and he was coming off injury. Even if Levis maybe wasnโt as far along as hoped after you draft himโฆ.you donโt appear desperate to the point of being fleeced and if he did pan out you didnโt trade the farm to take him. But you have to have a viable and at least semi believable backup plan when you let a good Vet QB go unless you expect to be drafting high which he had to know was a low probability. you As a GMโฆ. Itโs the ONE thing you absolutely canโt do is go into a draft with no viable QB option and needing to trade up to get one. Every team knows they have you by the balls!! This talk of being fleeced by other teams because we are desperate is so overblown. Teams will make trades if it benefits them. Teams that want to trade back (Arizona? Chargers?) will trade back for the best deal. They won't turn the Vikings down if the Vikings have a better offer than any other team, unless they don't think it benefits them. It's not overblown. You are correct that teams will make a trade if it benefits them, and when you have multiple teams bidding for the same pick and the owner of that pick knows there is desperation the price starts high and goes up from there until it is good for one team and not for another (anyone remember the Hershel Walker Trade). This was not the year to have no viable QB option and looking to trade up from 11. The biggest advantage a buyer has in a negotiation is supply and the ability to easily walk away.....we have neither. QB demand is higher than the top QB's available and we likely can't afford to walk away even though that would be my preference. I think KAM is under pressure and I think his job rests on this pick and that likely means he overpays.
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Post by marshalltohof on Mar 21, 2024 15:34:52 GMT -6
He should have been traded in October after kirk got hurt and the season was for all intensive purposes over. They still had playoff hopes in October. And probably hoped to get a long-term deal done. For all intents and purposes... You play to win the game!
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Post by burntpackerdbs84 on Mar 21, 2024 16:35:41 GMT -6
He should have been traded in October after kirk got hurt and the season was for all intensive purposes over. They still had playoff hopes in October. And probably hoped to get a long-term deal done. For all intents and purposes... You play to win the game!PLAYOFFS!?!?!?!?! lol
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Post by 1angryviking on Mar 21, 2024 16:51:30 GMT -6
They still had playoff hopes in October. And probably hoped to get a long-term deal done. For all intents and purposes... You play to win the game!PLAYOFFS!?!?!?!?! lol Yes, they were in the drivers seat for the 1st wildcard spot until late November. Playoff teams don't trade away players and teams that are trying to resign an upcoming FA don't trade them away.
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Post by redbird87 on Mar 21, 2024 18:20:00 GMT -6
We were never resigning Hunter. If we had wanted to and could we would have. Again, it goes back to a GM overplaying his hand and/or not reading the situation.
Anyway, we are where we are so, so all Iโm looking for is not repeating the same mistakes and improving. I donโt agree with every off season acquisition, I donโt think we are a better team yet, I donโt understand why prioritizing a RB was more important than signing a solid OL that can help both the Running game and protect whoever is at QB and I feel we overpaid for players with either not enough talent or too high of risk. BUTโฆ.he let Kirk walk and that was probably the right financial decision. Prioritizing Greenard after Hunter left was big But the trade for the 2nd 1st I think was the coup of the offseason. Now what he does with that 2nd first in my eyes will likely define his offseason. Does he use it to get a top tier franchise QB, does he stay put and land two impact players, does he trade back and parlay those 1sts into multiple 1/2 Rd picks, or does he Fkโ it up give away the draft or sit tight and draft more Cineโs.
Time will tellโฆ but so far itโs probably been his best offseason ( his trade for the 2nd 1st was a great move/value) despite the team roster likely the worst weโve fielded pre draft. My hope is he has the flex to focus on 25 and not just 24 from above so we donโt wind up with a desperate GM trying to save his job and making reckless decisions. Iโm hoping he gets this draft right.
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Post by redbird87 on Mar 21, 2024 18:25:40 GMT -6
Yes, they were in the drivers seat for the 1st wildcard spot until late November.ย ย Playoff teams don't trade away players and teams that are trying to resign an upcoming FA don't trade them away.ย ย We werenโt a playoff team caliber team and the fact we went from the drivers seat to not making it proves it! There was zero hope this team was going anywhere with Mullins and Dobbs at QB. And if as GM you canโt see that then you shouldnโt have been the GM!
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Post by taz24 on Mar 21, 2024 18:28:11 GMT -6
Gotcha.
So to be clear you are admitting or at least walking back your silly notion that Kwesi might NOT have a plan?
Good to hear and probably noteworthy for you to understand that:
Not having a plan and You NOT agreeing with or understanding his plan are two distinctly different things. The first one was really not worthy of being posted. No worries, like you we move forward and it will be interesting to see how it all plays out.
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Post by Vikeroo on Mar 21, 2024 19:16:41 GMT -6
We've signed a lot of guys to one-year deals. Darnold, Jones, Griffin, a few others. Were any of those done with void years like Davenport? Because if they're gone next year, it builds up dead cap again. Jones and I would guess Griffin. Van Ginkel has voids, but a 2 year signing.
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Post by 1angryviking on Mar 21, 2024 19:57:31 GMT -6
Yes, they were in the drivers seat for the 1st wildcard spot until late November. Playoff teams don't trade away players and teams that are trying to resign an upcoming FA don't trade them away. We werenโt a playoff team caliber team and the fact we went from the drivers seat to not making it proves it! There was zero hope this team was going anywhere with Mullins and Dobbs at QB. And if as GM you canโt see that then you shouldnโt have been the GM! At the time of the injury the Vikings were the 5th seed for the playoffs with a soft schedule ahead of them. What message should a GM send to the other 50+ players and coaches on the team because of an injury that's in that position - "I don't believe in the rest of you" despite the fact that other teams have recently made deep playoff runs with backup QB's from a fairly soft NFC (Keenum, Foles and Purdy). Also, the Vikings were never going to get anything more than a 2nd or 3rd rounder for a player they were actively trying to get back; who they are still going to get a 3rd round comp pick for. Honestly, the whole Hunter gripe seems like complaining for complaining sake.
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Post by burntpackerdbs84 on Mar 21, 2024 21:42:55 GMT -6
Gotcha.ย ย So to be clear you are admitting or at least walking back your silly notion that Kwesi might NOT have a plan?ย Good to hear and probably noteworthy for you to understand that: Not having a plan and You NOT agreeing with or understanding his plan are two distinctly different things.ย The first one was really not worthy of being posted.ย No worries, like you we move forward and it will be interesting to see how it all plays out.ย ย So his plan was to let an Elite player leave (hunter) and sign 15 iffy guys and over pay for houston de? Sounds like a real great f plan
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Post by marshalltohof on Mar 21, 2024 22:52:05 GMT -6
We were never resigning Hunter. Kwesi Adofo-Mensah, February 27 2024: "He had a great season, and I don't know that anybody who's in Minnesota is surprised by that. Danielle walks out of bed and is gonna sack the quarterback, pressure, impact the game. That's who he is," Adofo-Mensah said. "We'll have fruitful dialogues like we always do. It's not just about this season, it's the next season, all these things. Always gotta remember, the players have their needs from their standpoint. And I always respect that. So we'll go to the table and see if we can figure out, talk about a way to kind of find a deal to meet in the middle."
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