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Post by RF54 on Apr 18, 2023 8:06:19 GMT -6
There are several ways the Vikings can go, and the rumors and published mocks are all over the map. With 10 days til the draft there are a few things that stand out to me and I think I know what they will do.
1 Trade down, they must get more picks, a trade down is going to happen, not sure when but I am almost sure they will trade down in the '23 draft.
2 draft a WR, just looking at roster, I think KO will need to add at least 1 WR that has the upside of a WR 2 or 3.
3 draft a CB, Again the curent dept chart screams that at least 1 CB that may need to play in '23 will be drafted.
4 Cook and or Z Smith will be traded or released. While Z could be forced to stay and play under his contract, Cook needs to either take a real pay cut or be will be gone. Look at the NFL, RBs are not getting this money anymore and with his age he cannot play under his '23 contract. Look no further than Aaron Jones and his restructure to stay in GB and why he agreed.
5 A LB will be taken in this draft... I know, not a huge leap of faith, but they need some depth and a hopefully can get a LB that has some upside and not just a ST player.
6 QB, while I am not sold on them using a top pick at QB, they need to add someone at the most important position on the roster. I know they are doing do dilagence, and they have to be prepared for anything that could happen next week.
Just my thoughts, what do you think you know???
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Post by jeffsiemon on Apr 18, 2023 8:48:17 GMT -6
With only 5 picks in this draft and 5 in 2024, they are trading down.
Cook has no trade value with that contract. So either a release or pay cut.
Z Smith will not be cut. They will trade either him or Hunter.
They need a WR and a CB.
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Post by 2012mom on Apr 18, 2023 11:35:39 GMT -6
There are several ways the Vikings can go, and the rumors and published mocks are all over the map.Β With 10 days til the draft there are a few things that stand out to me and I think I know what they will do. 1 Trade down, they must get more picks, a trade down is going to happen, not sure when but I am almost sure they will trade down in the '23 draft. 2 draft a WR, just looking at roster, I think KO will need to add at least 1 WR that has the upside of a WR 2 or 3. 3 draft a CB, Again the curent dept chart screams that at least 1 CB that may need to play in '23 will be drafted. 4 Cook and or Z Smith will be traded or released.Β While Z could be forced to stay and play under his contract, Cook needs to either take a real pay cut or be will be gone.Β Look at the NFL, RBs are not getting this money anymore and with his age he cannot play under his '23 contract.Β Look no further than Aaron Jones and his restructure to stay in GB and why he agreed.Β Β 5 A LB will be taken in this draft...Β I know, not a huge leap of faith, but they need some depth and a hopefully can get a LB that has some upside and not just a ST player. 6 QB, while I am not sold on them using a top pick at QB, they need to add someone at the most important position on the roster.Β I know they are doing do dilagence, and they have to be prepared for anything that could happen next week.Β Β Just my thoughts, what do you think you know??? I think that round 1 is the most likely place for a trade down, because 1) you get the most return for a trade down there, and 2) you still have the most options for your eventually pick early in the draft. They might also trade down later, but honestly, they can just as well pick up UDFAs or steal guys if other practice squads, rather than stockpiling 7s.
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Post by RF54 on Apr 18, 2023 11:46:33 GMT -6
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Post by RF54 on Apr 18, 2023 11:57:49 GMT -6
they can just as well pick up UDFAs or steal guys if other practice squads, rather than stockpiling 7s. Stockpiling 7s is a Viking Urban myth... Kwesi traded 6 times in the '22 draft and only made 1 single 7th round pick... Rick, who is widely hated here for trading down and stockpiling 7s didn't take a single player in the '21 draft in the 7th round. Even in the mythical '19 draft, where he supposedly traded all the picks for a boatload of 7th rounders, made a pick in every round. He also had some nice success in the 6th and 7th round that year. 6 6 17 190 Armon Watts DT Arkansas 7 6 18 191 Marcus Epps DB Wyoming 8 6 20 193 Olisaemeka Udoh T Elon 9 7 3 217 Kris Boyd DB Texas 10 7 25 239 Dillon Mitchell WR Oregon 11 7 33 247 Olabisi Johnson WR Colorado State 12 7 36 250 Austin Cutting #247 and #250 were Comp picks from NFL, not from trades Don't know why Viking fans have to beat that false drum every time someone talks about trading picks
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Post by drhoades on Apr 18, 2023 11:58:40 GMT -6
they can just as well pick up UDFAs or steal guys if other practice squads, rather than stockpiling 7s. Stockpiling 7s is a Viking Urban myth... Kwesi traded 6 times in the '22 draft and only made 1 single 7th round pick... Rick, who is widely hated here for trading down and stockpiling 7s didn't take a single player in the '21 draft in the 7th round. Even in the mythical '19 draft, where he supposedly traded all the picks for a boatload of 7th rounders, made a pick in every round. He also had some nice success in the 6th and 7th round that year. 6 6 17 190 Armon Watts DT Arkansas 7 6 18 191 Marcus Epps DB Wyoming 8 6 20 193 Olisaemeka Udoh T Elon 9 7 3 217 Kris Boyd DB Texas 10 7 25 239 Dillon Mitchell WR Oregon 11 7 33 247 Olabisi Johnson WR Colorado State 12 7 36 250 Austin Cutting #247 and #250 were Comp picks from NFL, not from trades Don't know why Viking fans have to beat that false drum every time someone talks about trading picks There are a lot of false drums Viking fans like to beat.
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Post by jhjackhammer on Apr 18, 2023 15:20:32 GMT -6
Β they can just as well pick up UDFAs or steal guys if other practice squads, rather than stockpiling 7s. Stockpiling 7s is a Viking Urban myth... Kwesi traded 6 times in the '22 draft and only made 1 single 7th round pick... Rick, who is widely hated here for trading down and stockpiling 7s didn't take a single player in the '21 draft in the 7th round. Even in the mythical '19 draft, where he supposedly traded all the picks for a boatload of 7th rounders, made a pick in every round. He also had some nice success in the 6th and 7th round that year. 6 6 17 190 Armon Watts DT Arkansas 7 6 18 191 Marcus Epps DB Wyoming 8 6 20 193 Olisaemeka Udoh T Elon 9 7 3 217 Kris Boyd DB Texas 10 7 25 239 Dillon Mitchell WR Oregon 11 7 33 247 Olabisi Johnson WR Colorado State 12 7 36 250 Austin Cutting #247 and #250 were Comp picks from NFL, not from trades Don't know why Viking fans have to beat that false drum every time someone talks about trading picks People exaggerated it, but letβs not pretend that Rick didnβt trade back a lot. He would often trade down spots in the 3,4&5th rounds. Often at the expense of letting a better player go before we picked again. He out smarter himself in the last few years and it showed on our roster as only the older guys were good enough
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Post by RF54 on Apr 18, 2023 15:52:57 GMT -6
Stockpiling 7s is a Viking Urban myth... Kwesi traded 6 times in the '22 draft and only made 1 single 7th round pick... Rick, who is widely hated here for trading down and stockpiling 7s didn't take a single player in the '21 draft in the 7th round. Even in the mythical '19 draft, where he supposedly traded all the picks for a boatload of 7th rounders, made a pick in every round. He also had some nice success in the 6th and 7th round that year. 6 6 17 190 Armon Watts DT Arkansas 7 6 18 191 Marcus Epps DB Wyoming 8 6 20 193 Olisaemeka Udoh T Elon 9 7 3 217 Kris Boyd DB Texas 10 7 25 239 Dillon Mitchell WR Oregon 11 7 33 247 Olabisi Johnson WR Colorado State 12 7 36 250 Austin Cutting #247 and #250 were Comp picks from NFL, not from trades Don't know why Viking fans have to beat that false drum every time someone talks about trading picks People exaggerated it, but letβs not pretend that Rick didnβt trade back a lot. He would often trade down spots in the 3,4&5th rounds. Often at the expense of letting a better player go before we picked again. He out smarter himself in the last few years and it showed on our roster as only the older guys were good enough he did trade down alot, so what, nobody ever complained when he traded out of a pick and recieved a higher pick the following year... It upset people during the draft because guys wanted a player here or there but I don't see any monster misses in his trades. Maybe someone can cherry pick a player or two that was great, but any pick he traded past in the later rounds was passed by all the teams multiple times.
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Post by taz24 on Apr 18, 2023 18:06:17 GMT -6
I know Rick was average. He was here in charge for what seemed like a couple lifetimes and he did an ok job.
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Post by 2012mom on Apr 18, 2023 19:31:20 GMT -6
Β they can just as well pick up UDFAs or steal guys if other practice squads, rather than stockpiling 7s. Stockpiling 7s is a Viking Urban myth... Kwesi traded 6 times in the '22 draft and only made 1 single 7th round pick... Rick, who is widely hated here for trading down and stockpiling 7s didn't take a single player in the '21 draft in the 7th round. Even in the mythical '19 draft, where he supposedly traded all the picks for a boatload of 7th rounders, made a pick in every round. He also had some nice success in the 6th and 7th round that year. 6 6 17 190 Armon Watts DT Arkansas 7 6 18 191 Marcus Epps DB Wyoming 8 6 20 193 Olisaemeka Udoh T Elon 9 7 3 217 Kris Boyd DB Texas 10 7 25 239 Dillon Mitchell WR Oregon 11 7 33 247 Olabisi Johnson WR Colorado State 12 7 36 250 Austin Cutting #247 and #250 were Comp picks from NFL, not from trades Don't know why Viking fans have to beat that false drum every time someone talks about trading picks I'm not talking about what Rick did, I'm talking about the trade value of the Vikings' picks this year, and the fact that, if they try to trade down from any position other than round one, they're not going to get any worthwhile picks. Trading down from #23 to the bottom of round 1 should return an extra round 3 pick, while trading down from the round 3, #87 pick will bring only a round 5-7, depending on how big the drop is. Obviously, trading back from later picks will bring only late round extra picks.
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Post by jhjackhammer on Apr 19, 2023 2:09:04 GMT -6
People exaggerated it, but letβs not pretend that Rick didnβt trade back a lot. He would often trade down spots in the 3,4&5th rounds. Often at the expense of letting a better player go before we picked again. He out smarter himself in the last few years and it showed on our roster as only the older guys were good enough he did trade down alot, so what, nobody ever complained when he traded out of a pick and recieved a higher pick the following year...Β It upset people during the draft because guys wanted a player here or there but I don't see any monster misses in his trades.Β Maybe someone can cherry pick a player or two that was great, but any pick he traded past in the later rounds was passed by all the teams multiple times. So then you are saying he did a good job? Because I canβt see what he did in the later rounds with his trades back? Thereβs a reason no other team came calling for him ever. He was average as hell, hit on a few studs around 2014-2016 and those picks helped the team be good enough to contend for playoffs and get in the odd time. If you think thatβs good at drafting I donβt know what to say to you.
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Post by daredevil on Apr 19, 2023 7:11:29 GMT -6
I agree; they'll try and trade down, but the way it sounds; so many teams are talking trading down; the question is; who will be left to trade down with by the time it's our turn? About the only way we'll get a trading partner is to trade down to the Bills with an added player; like maybe Cook or Z. To get a second rounder out of it; we may have to trade Hunter who still has value and taking over his contract and extending him somewhere else will, or could be the key point to trading him for a later 1st and a late 2nd. Then if a player isn't there with the late first they want, but maybe there in the upper 2nd; they may decide to trade the late 1st for a high second and a high 4th. So many questions.
Again it may depend on who their looking at. If no trade partner; then they'll surely have to make a hard decision. In that case; I see a WR, or if one of the 5 QB's are still there such as Hooker or Levis; then it will be one of them. But if they end up letting Hunter go and possibly Z; then it will be an edge rusher for sure in the first, and there will be a good one still sitting there imo. They'll be border line 1st or 2nd rounders.
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Post by 1angryviking on Apr 19, 2023 11:00:31 GMT -6
2 draft a WR, just looking at roster, I think KO will need to add at least 1 WR that has the upside of a WR 2 or 3. Personally, I hope it's a WR. I like KJ just fine; but, I think that even if they find a "Sauce Gardner" with the 23rd pick... the D is still going to be bad. So, I think they should stock up on offense and try to games without punting the ball.
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Post by 2012mom on Apr 19, 2023 11:15:39 GMT -6
2 draft a WR, just looking at roster, I think KO will need to add at least 1 WR that has the upside of a WR 2 or 3. Personally, I hope it's a WR.Β I like KJ just fine; but, I think that even if they find a "Sauce Garner" with the 23rd pick... the D is still going to be bad. So, I think they should stock up on offense and try to games without punting the ball. Why would you spend your first pick on a player that can only marginally improve the offense (WR), when it's a dismal defense that is the reason the Vikings can't go far in the playoffs? I mean, what WR do you think is going to be available in the bottom of round 1 who would make a significant impact, when we already have JJ and Hock, with Osborn as an adequate third option?
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Post by 1angryviking on Apr 19, 2023 11:57:47 GMT -6
Personally, I hope it's a WR. I like KJ just fine; but, I think that even if they find a "Sauce Garner" with the 23rd pick... the D is still going to be bad. So, I think they should stock up on offense and try to games without punting the ball. Why would you spend your first pick on a player that can only marginally improve the offense (WR), when it's a dismal defense that is the reason the Vikings can't go far in the playoffs? I mean, what WR do you think is going to be available in the bottom of round 1 who would make a significant impact, when we already have JJ and Hock, with Osborn as an adequate third option? Why would you spend your first pick on a player that can only marginally improve a dismal defense when it's the offense that got you to the playoffs? As good as the Vikings offense was last year; just about every game they went 30 straight minutes with 3 and outs... Why not turn a borderline top 10 offense to one of the top 3 instead of inspiring to turn the 31st defense into the 21st? Obviously, JJ is All Pro (22nd player and 4th WR selected); but, Hock is far from Kelce and KJ only had 4 games with over 41 yards despite taking 80% of the offensive snaps. IMO - the best way to improve this defense is to hide it... dominate the game in T.O.P.
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