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Post by vahoo on Sept 29, 2020 15:54:38 GMT -6
Iβm renouncing my Minnesota heritage. Iβm now telling people Iβm from Canada!! Go Canucks!!
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Post by vikingslore on Sept 29, 2020 16:18:52 GMT -6
This is a tough loss to swallow but a lot of you newbies to this forum need to calm down. Yes, it's a loss but the Twins can bounce back to win the next 2. Twins were down 0-2 in both '87 and '91 yet bounced back to win WS titles. Same thing in '65 when the Twins nearly and should have beaten the Dodgers despite Koufax on the mound. I know. I watched all 3 of those WS appearances.
It's gut check time for the players AND fans of the Twins. I'm not checking out until the final out bc that's how I'm wired. Been a lifelong Twins and Vikings fans no matter how low the lows get.
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Post by vahoo on Sept 29, 2020 16:22:47 GMT -6
I may be new to the forum (Twins part. not Vikes) but a 54 year Twin fan. This ainβt 87 or 91 and the Twins recent playoff woes have to be brought up. I still have hope but we needed this one.
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Post by franklin99 on Sept 29, 2020 17:07:22 GMT -6
Twins were down 0-2 in both '87 and '91 yet bounced back to win WS titles.
It's gut check time for the players AND fans of the Twins. I'm not checking out until the final out bc that's how I'm wired. Been a lifelong Twins and Vikings fans no matter how low the lows get. You must have been at a different World Series. Twins were up 2 games to 0 in both 87 and 91. However, they did go down to 2-3 in both series before winning the last 2 games. But there was just something much different about those Twins WS teams compared to today. They had fire and confidence. Puckett was a fearless leader that told the rest of the team to "jump on his back". Guys like Gaetti, Dan Gladden, Hrbek, Bruno, Frankie Viola, Jack Morris, etc. Good ol' American born guys that had a ton of focus and fire.
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Post by budgrant1 on Sept 30, 2020 13:57:43 GMT -6
This is a tough loss to swallow but a lot of you newbies to this forum need to calm down. Yes, it's a loss but the Twins can bounce back to win the next 2. Twins were down 0-2 in both '87 and '91 yet bounced back to win WS titles. Same thing in '65 when the Twins nearly and should have beaten the Dodgers despite Koufax on the mound. I know. I watched all 3 of those WS appearances.
It's gut check time for the players AND fans of the Twins. I'm not checking out until the final out bc that's how I'm wired. Been a lifelong Twins and Vikings fans no matter how low the lows get. We will be calm just like the TWINS bats...Fk that
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Post by solomon69 on Sept 30, 2020 14:23:03 GMT -6
Rogers still sucks
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Post by budgrant1 on Sept 30, 2020 14:24:19 GMT -6
CONGRATS TWINS on your 18th straight playoff loss
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Post by franklin99 on Sept 30, 2020 14:26:23 GMT -6
Caribbean Crew Crumbling in Crunch Time.
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Post by budgrant1 on Sept 30, 2020 14:34:00 GMT -6
Caribbean Crew Crumbling in Crunch Time. Its 5 o clock somewhere 0-2 BBQ Congrats 1st team out of the 2020 playoffs
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Post by solomon69 on Sept 30, 2020 17:56:51 GMT -6
I'm disappointed but not surprised.
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Post by vikingslore on Sept 30, 2020 19:14:33 GMT -6
I didn't get a chance to watch the game as I was working on something important.
I can see from the box score that all 3 of the 'Stros runs came on solo HR's. 1 against Berrios who, despite only giving up 1 other hit and with a PC of only 75 yet got pulled by Baldeli with the score was tied after 5 which was a stupid managerial decision. Stashak comes in and in his 2nd inning of relief gave up a tie breaking HR. Then Rogers, who has been erratic all season, gives up the last HR clinching the game.
Twins bats went on "radio silence" only getting a measly 3 hits (being content to settle for 5 BB's) in the game of their life. I didn't see the 'Stros starter who, from the box score, looked like he struggled. Their BP however pitched magnificently and to add insult to injury Pressly, who the Twins traded to get Alcala (who has a bright future based on what I've seen), got the save.
Baldeli mis-handled the pitchers (starters and BP alike) all season long. He made many other questionable decisions going against "the book" (e.g. prematurely having the infield in to protect a 1 run lead early in ball games leading to hits that would otherwise have been caught "stealing defeat from the jaws of victory"). His 3rd base coach (Diaz) should be fired for the way he has cost Twins runs on the base paths.
This team, to paraphrase a famous line delivered by Marlon Brando in the movie, "On the Waterfront", "coulda been a contender" for a WS crown but for Baldeli and his coaching staff. To be sure, the players didn't perform as hoped partly because many of them lack the "clutch" gene. No real leader in the clubhouse that I could tell other than maybe Cruz with his "robe" that was passed around to whoever hit a HR.
On the bright side, we have a lot of players with promising futures along with potential future stars still in the minors. The Twins WILL be contenders for years to come. Management needs to tweak the roster a bit but it needs to start with re-evaluation of Baldeli and his coaches. They're not true leaders of men needed to get to the "promised land". New coaches with the ability to inspire players like Billy Martin, when he coached here in the early 70's before moving on to the Yanks, is what this team needs IMO.
With that said, it's on to next season. At least the Twins got to the PO's,, unlike the Vikes who look like crap thru the 1st 3 games and won't catch a sniff of gettking that far who also need a change in leadership starting with RS first and foremost, then Zim, the rest of the coaching staff. and getting rid of Cousins who is not a leader of men. The Vikes need a QB with "fire in his belly" like Tark, Joe Kapp, TD Tommy Kramer to build around as it looks like with an aging defense that the Vikes will likely be in "rebuild" mode for the next few years.
For those who belatedly starting posting in this forum (I've been here from Day 1), I hope you follow and root, Root, ROOT for the 1 Minnesota franchise that has realistic championship chances. The Twins. A team I've followed ever since I was a young boy living in Minneapolis. Even though I haven't been in Minnesota for nearly 60 years (other than a couple of business trips), I will remain loyal to the Twins and the Vikes until the day I die.
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Post by franklin99 on Sept 30, 2020 19:29:44 GMT -6
I didn't get a chance to watch the game as I was working on something important.
I can see from the box score that all 3 of the 'Stros runs came on solo HR's. 1 against Berrios who, despite only giving up 1 other hit and with a PC of only 75 yet got pulled by Baldeli with the score was tied after 5 which was a stupid managerial decision. Stashak comes in and in his 2nd inning of relief gave up a tie breaking HR. Then Rogers, who has been erratic all season, gives up the last HR clinching the game.
Twins bats went on "radio silence" only getting a measly 3 hits (being content to settle for 5 BB's) in the game of their life. I didn't see the 'Stros starter who, from the box score, looked like he struggled. Their BP however pitched magnificently and to add insult to injury Pressly, who the Twins traded to get Alcala (who has a bright future based on what I've seen), got the save.
Baldeli mis-handled the pitchers (starters and BP alike) all season long. He made many other questionable decisions going against "the book" (e.g. prematurely having the infield in to protect a 1 run lead early in ball games leading to hits that would otherwise have been caught "stealing defeat from the jaws of victory"). His 3rd base coach (Diaz) should be fired for the way he has cost Twins runs on the base paths.
This team, to paraphrase a famous line delivered by Marlon Brando in the movie, "On the Waterfront", "coulda been a contender" for a WS crown but for Baldeli and his coaching staff. To be sure, the players didn't perform as hoped partly because many of them lack the "clutch" gene. No real leader in the clubhouse that I could tell other than maybe Cruz with his "robe" that was passed around to whoever hit a HR.
On the bright side, we have a lot of players with promising futures along with potential future stars still in the minors. The Twins WILL be contenders for years to come. Management needs to tweak the roster a bit but it needs to start with re-evaluation of Baldeli and his coaches. They're not true leaders of men needed to get to the "promised land". New coaches with the ability to inspire players like Billy Martin, when he coached here in the early 70's before moving on to the Yanks, is what this team needs IMO.
With that said, it's on to next season. At least the Twins got to the PO's,, unlike the Vikes who look like crap thru the 1st 3 games and won't catch a sniff of gettking that far who also need a change in leadership starting with RS first and foremost, then Zim, the rest of the coaching staff. and getting rid of Cousins who is not a leader of men. The Vikes need a QB with "fire in his belly" like Tark, Joe Kapp, TD Tommy Kramer to build around as it looks like with an aging defense that the Vikes will likely be in "rebuild" mode for the next few years.
For those who belatedly starting posting in this forum (I've been here from Day 1), I hope you follow and root, Root, ROOT for the 1 Minnesota franchise that has realistic championship chances. The Twins. A team I've followed ever since I was a young boy living in Minneapolis. Even though I haven't been in Minnesota for nearly 60 years (other than a couple of business trips), I will remain loyal to the Twins and the Vikes until the day I die.
Definitely on the same "wavelength". Great Post. Just wish the outcome was different. And finally, a big thanks for your posts and updates through the season.
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Post by vikingslore on Sept 30, 2020 19:57:40 GMT -6
I didn't get a chance to watch the game as I was working on something important.
I can see from the box score that all 3 of the 'Stros runs came on solo HR's. 1 against Berrios who, despite only giving up 1 other hit and with a PC of only 75 yet got pulled by Baldeli with the score was tied after 5 which was a stupid managerial decision. Stashak comes in and in his 2nd inning of relief gave up a tie breaking HR. Then Rogers, who has been erratic all season, gives up the last HR clinching the game.
Twins bats went on "radio silence" only getting a measly 3 hits (being content to settle for 5 BB's) in the game of their life. I didn't see the 'Stros starter who, from the box score, looked like he struggled. Their BP however pitched magnificently and to add insult to injury Pressly, who the Twins traded to get Alcala (who has a bright future based on what I've seen), got the save.
Baldeli mis-handled the pitchers (starters and BP alike) all season long. He made many other questionable decisions going against "the book" (e.g. prematurely having the infield in to protect a 1 run lead early in ball games leading to hits that would otherwise have been caught "stealing defeat from the jaws of victory"). His 3rd base coach (Diaz) should be fired for the way he has cost Twins runs on the base paths.
This team, to paraphrase a famous line delivered by Marlon Brando in the movie, "On the Waterfront", "coulda been a contender" for a WS crown but for Baldeli and his coaching staff. To be sure, the players didn't perform as hoped partly because many of them lack the "clutch" gene. No real leader in the clubhouse that I could tell other than maybe Cruz with his "robe" that was passed around to whoever hit a HR.
On the bright side, we have a lot of players with promising futures along with potential future stars still in the minors. The Twins WILL be contenders for years to come. Management needs to tweak the roster a bit but it needs to start with re-evaluation of Baldeli and his coaches. They're not true leaders of men needed to get to the "promised land". New coaches with the ability to inspire players like Billy Martin, when he coached here in the early 70's before moving on to the Yanks, is what this team needs IMO.
With that said, it's on to next season. At least the Twins got to the PO's,, unlike the Vikes who look like crap thru the 1st 3 games and won't catch a sniff of gettking that far who also need a change in leadership starting with RS first and foremost, then Zim, the rest of the coaching staff. and getting rid of Cousins who is not a leader of men. The Vikes need a QB with "fire in his belly" like Tark, Joe Kapp, TD Tommy Kramer to build around as it looks like with an aging defense that the Vikes will likely be in "rebuild" mode for the next few years.
For those who belatedly starting posting in this forum (I've been here from Day 1), I hope you follow and root, Root, ROOT for the 1 Minnesota franchise that has realistic championship chances. The Twins. A team I've followed ever since I was a young boy living in Minneapolis. Even though I haven't been in Minnesota for nearly 60 years (other than a couple of business trips), I will remain loyal to the Twins and the Vikes until the day I die.
Definitely on the same "wavelength". Great Post. Just wish the outcome was different. And finally, a big thanks for your posts and updates through the season. You're welcome here any time, Franklin. Thanks for your compliment and I hope to see you post here next season. "Same Bat Time, Same Bat Channel".
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Post by franklin99 on Sept 30, 2020 19:58:51 GMT -6
Also, Baldelli totally over-managed the starting pitchers. Pulling Maeda yesterday when he was on cruise control with a pitch count of 90. This is the playoffs with no tomorrow. You gotta let guys go further innings when they are looking solid. Maeda looked disappointed in the dugout in the bottom of the 5th knowing he had been pulled. Today he removed Berrios with a pitch count of only 73. Unbelievable. So yeah, the youngster coach Baldelli really screwed the pooch by getting too involved and trying to micro-manage things.
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Post by viperdk on Sept 30, 2020 21:24:25 GMT -6
Also, Baldelli totally over-managed the starting pitchers.Β Pulling Maeda yesterday when he was on cruise control with a pitch count of 90.Β This is the playoffs with no tomorrow.Β You gotta let guys go further innings when they are looking solid.Β Maeda looked disappointed in the dugout in the bottom of the 5th knowing he had been pulled.Β Today he removed Berrios with a pitch count of only 73.Β Unbelievable.Β So yeah, the youngster coach Baldelli really screwed the pooch by getting too involved and trying to micro-manage things. This is exactly why I hate departed filly. Its BS
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