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Post by legion11 on Apr 25, 2024 21:06:39 GMT -6
Fair point, the 3rd for Cousins next year makes it a lot more palatable. Thanks all for reminding me.
We'll have a decent amount of cap space next year but it's going to get eaten up fast with some big contracts. New England is going to have WAY more space but it remains to be seen if their penny pinching owner will allow them to spend any of it.
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Post by Vikeroo on Apr 25, 2024 21:26:41 GMT -6
Fair point, the 3rd for Cousins next year makes it a lot more palatable. Thanks all for reminding me. We'll have a decent amount of cap space next year but it's going to get eaten up fast with some big contracts. New England is going to have WAY more space but it remains to be seen if their penny pinching owner will allow them to spend any of it. All that day 3 work when they started with oodles of late picks... I had a feeling this draft would be about day 1 this year Legion. Somehow the Vikings kept the #108...
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Post by taz24 on Apr 25, 2024 21:38:04 GMT -6
this draft seems to be about quality rather than quantity. Remember we may be able to free up more money next year depending on decisions made with Bradbury/O'Neill,etc..... Some manipulating can be done to load Darrisaw and Jefferson contracts the way the front office sees as most favorable. I think some money will be available for next years FA. Honestly we might be making some moves in late FA additions after the draft. Also last year we showed our strength in UDFA. Can KAM hit on another Pace Jr.
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Post by redbird87 on Apr 26, 2024 0:13:57 GMT -6
Iβve been very critical of Kwesi, but this was the GM Iβve mostly been hoping for from a draft perspective.
I love that we mostly sat tight and didnβt overpay and let the draft come to us. I think JJ was # 2 on our QB board. Heβs got legit concernsβ¦ but so did every QB we could have selected. I think the move from 11-10 was maybe not necessary, but with Penix off the board, I understand the move to secure you didnβt get stuck with Nix. I think on paper JJ was the best fit for our scheme and is the best X/O QB in this draft. Very happy todayβ¦ but heβs got to prove heβs the player they think he is.
The move up to 17 for Turner was bold and unexpected. The cost was high, but Turner should have been a top 6 pick. So if you look at it as moving from 23 to 6 at the cost of a 4th and 5th itβs a hell of a steal. Only way thing that complicates this move is we still could have gotten a really good player at 23 without surrendering anything. Turner has physical attributes that are off the charts and I applaud Kwesi for taking swings at players that could become pro bowl players instead of projects for a change. Againβ¦ on paper he killed it, but both these players need to show they can live up to the hype.
Side noteβ¦ I havenβt watched a ton of Turner as he was never on my radar, but I know the general scouting report. Heβs tall, long, large and runs a great 40β¦ but my understanding from watching the draft preview yesterday when they projected him to the Bears at 9 was heβs more of a 4/3 DE. Is this accurate? My only hesitation was in the limited tape I watched when they were highlighting his play is he didnβt seem overly βquickβ off the ball. He looked a bit more like Wonnam where he looks slow out of the snap but has decent closing speed as the play extends. Curious what anyone who follows him better thinks?
Iβve been very hard on K to date and I still claim rightfully so, but today was a winβ¦ a very big win on paper. I give him a solid A- -B+ only because we spent 6 picks to get 2 players. But overallβ¦ well done!
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Post by legion11 on Apr 26, 2024 6:18:34 GMT -6
Please someone correct me if I'm wrong. To get Turner we gave up:
2024 #42 2024 #188 2025 2nd Round To the Texans
2024 #23 2025 3rd Round 2025 4th Round To the Jaguars
I'm exchange we got #17 (Turner) #232 (Texans) 2025 5th Round (Jaguars)
We spent 6 picks in the Round 1-4 range and got back 2 picks in the 5-7 range. This guy needs to have a Micah Parsons level effect on our defense to justify the expenditure.
A, maybe A+ on boxing out Payton to secure JJM, but I'm very conflicted on the the way we finished Night 1...
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Post by burntpackerdbs84 on Apr 26, 2024 6:32:13 GMT -6
Please someone correct me if I'm wrong. To get Turner we gave up: 2024 #42 2024 #188 2025 2nd Round To the Texans 2024 #23 2025 3rd Round 2025 4th Round To the Jaguars I'm exchange we got #17 (Turner) #232 (Texans) 2025 5th Round (Jaguars) We spent 6 picks in the Round 1-4 range and got back 2 picks in the 5-7 range. This guy needs to have a Micah Parsons level effect on our defense to justify the expenditure. A, maybe A+ on boxing out Payton to secure JJM, but I'm very conflicted on the the way we finished Night 1... Yeah F Payton.
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Post by taz24 on Apr 26, 2024 6:42:25 GMT -6
Red Turner is definely seen as the best fit for a 3-4.
In fact he may be your best example of although Hunter was successful in a 3-4 he was NOT a perfect fit by skill set. Some sites went so far to gush about Turner's talent but warn that he needed to be drafted into a 3-4.
I also think you have been prematurely hard on KAM. It really is necessary to give new GMs some time. You can not step into an organization, click your heels three times and change everything. As I have insisted we are on a nice path and last night confirmed it.
That said great post!! You don't have to agree with everything or even like it but last night was BIG. My hope now is that Viking fans appropritate some patience for McCarthy.
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Post by BrickVike on Apr 26, 2024 6:45:44 GMT -6
Please someone correct me if I'm wrong. To get Turner we gave up: 2024 #42 2024 #188 2025 2nd Round To the Texans 2024 #23 2025 3rd Round 2025 4th Round To the Jaguars I'm exchange we got #17 (Turner) #232 (Texans) 2025 5th Round (Jaguars) We spent 6 picks in the Round 1-4 range and got back 2 picks in the 5-7 range. This guy needs to have a Micah Parsons level effect on our defense to justify the expenditure. A, maybe A+ on boxing out Payton to secure JJM, but I'm very conflicted on the the way we finished Night 1... I feel you either include 2024 #23, OR 2024 #42 and 2025 2nd round. We used the 2 2nd rounders to get #23.
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Post by daredevil on Apr 26, 2024 6:48:16 GMT -6
Payton never wanted JJ; he was heard saying that he wanted Nix all along. That totally makes senses; JJ would not be able to handle payton's coaching; plus Nix has been a 6 year starter; best fit for him.
JJ in all reality landed in the best spot to move forward in his career........
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Post by taz24 on Apr 26, 2024 7:36:16 GMT -6
IMO NO chance Sean Peyton would not have tried to get JJ.
McCarthy has been widely considered to be the most coachable prospect in this years draft.
Either way you can't take the chance. Give KAM credit for playing pretty good poker early in the draft but if he had sat still and let Denver outmanuever him for McCarthy and guarantee it they tried he would have looked like the complete in over his head fool some say he is.
Bo Nix is a BIG step down.
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Post by purpletrouble on Apr 26, 2024 7:38:27 GMT -6
Please someone correct me if I'm wrong. To get Turner we gave up: 2024 #42 2024 #188 2025 2nd Round To the Texans 2024 #23 2025 3rd Round 2025 4th Round To the Jaguars I'm exchange we got #17 (Turner) #232 (Texans) 2025 5th Round (Jaguars) We spent 6 picks in the Round 1-4 range and got back 2 picks in the 5-7 range. This guy needs to have a Micah Parsons level effect on our defense to justify the expenditure. A, maybe A+ on boxing out Payton to secure JJM, but I'm very conflicted on the the way we finished Night 1... I certainly agree. The picks were solid, but they gave up a tremendous amount of draft capital to trade up. Lots of team needs to fill Hope they can find some value players on day 3 The Vikings blocking that douche Peyton from acquiring JJM was epic.
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Post by legion11 on Apr 26, 2024 7:49:43 GMT -6
IMO NO chance Sean Peyton would not have tried to get JJ.Β Β McCarthy has been widely considered to be the most coachable prospect in this years draft.Β Β Either way you can't take the chance.Β Give KAM credit for playing pretty good poker early in the draft but if he had sat still and let Denver outmanuever him for McCarthy and guarantee it they tried he would have looked like the complete in over his head fool some say he is.Β Β Bo Nix is a BIG step down. Exactly. We'll never know for sure if the move from 11 to 10 was needed, but when you're that close to getting your guy you don't get cute and lose him. If Payton sniped JJM right under our nose and we had to settle for Nix this board (myself included) would be in total meltdown mode. KAM played it well. I wish I felt as good about 23 to 17. Please prove me wrong Mr Turner.
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Post by comet52 on Apr 26, 2024 8:06:37 GMT -6
IMO NO chance Sean Peyton would not have tried to get JJ.Β Β McCarthy has been widely considered to be the most coachable prospect in this years draft.Β Β Either way you can't take the chance.Β Give KAM credit for playing pretty good poker early in the draft but if he had sat still and let Denver outmanuever him for McCarthy and guarantee it they tried he would have looked like the complete in over his head fool some say he is.Β Β Bo Nix is a BIG step down. I'm fine with the move. Secure JJM, block Payton. On the Johnson chart the cost was the equivalent of giving away a 7th round pick. Rick Spielman could never have pulled the trigger while having to lose something so precious lol.
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Post by comet52 on Apr 26, 2024 8:10:28 GMT -6
Please someone correct me if I'm wrong. To get Turner we gave up: 2024 #42 2024 #188 2025 2nd Round To the Texans 2024 #23 2025 3rd Round 2025 4th Round To the Jaguars I'm exchange we got #17 (Turner) #232 (Texans) 2025 5th Round (Jaguars) We spent 6 picks in the Round 1-4 range and got back 2 picks in the 5-7 range. This guy needs to have a Micah Parsons level effect on our defense to justify the expenditure. A, maybe A+ on boxing out Payton to secure JJM, but I'm very conflicted on the the way we finished Night 1... I certainly agree. The picks were solid, but they gave up a tremendous amount of draft capital to trade up. Lots of team needs to fill Hope they can find some value players on day 3 The Vikings blocking that douche Peyton from acquiring JJM was epic. Ricky always had a tremendous amount of draft capital and we made the playoffs about once every three years and mostly got our doors blown off early. With the cap space next year and the rest of the division looking stronger by the day it was time to go bold or go live in the NFCN cellar while saving draft capital. They went bold.
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Post by dougpaschal on Apr 26, 2024 8:21:30 GMT -6
IMO NO chance Sean Peyton would not have tried to get JJ. Broncos 12 Raiders 13 Seahawks 16 Rams 19 all those team might of been a threat. Iβm glad kwes made sure that didnβt happen
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