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Post by redbird87 on Apr 24, 2024 14:05:33 GMT -6
people in the know---I call them as I see them----other than a few people on the board F'''ckkkkk! What a bunch of complete drivel and self serving crap.  Thanks for the entertainment. I was in need of a good laugh. It’s not been one article, it’s been several now, the last of which was from the Athletic (which is known for its journalism….which in this day and age is rare). And I’d argue journalist constantly in the circle of a team probably have more insight than most of us on the board. How about this Taz…. Go find me a “recent” article from any source that’s talks about how Kwesi has emerged as a top GM, or how much the Vikings brass are in love with him today. Otherwise it’s you that is spewing drivel. I’m not saying he’s been the worst GM the last 2 years…and I’m not saying if he pulls off some miracle tomorrow people might start singing his praises again and I hope he does and proves he’s the GM I hoped he’d be. But the truth of the matter is most (not all) of his work to date has been uninspiring and inept starting with leaving the team in our current predicament. Guess who you don’t want to be on draft day…. The team everyone knows is desperate…especially when everyone knows you’re not a great negotiator. I hope he kills it tomorrow and turns the page, but to date…he’s been in over his head. |
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Post by folsomppe on Apr 24, 2024 14:25:57 GMT -6
people in the know---I call them as I see them----other than a few people on the board F'''ckkkkk! What a bunch of complete drivel and self serving crap. Thanks for the entertainment. I was in need of a good laugh. It’s not been one article, it’s been several now, the last of which was from the Athletic (which is known for its journalism….which in this day and age is rare). And I’d argue journalist constantly in the circle of a team probably have more insight than most of us on the board. How about this Taz…. Go find me a “recent” article from any source that’s talks about how Kwesi has emerged as a top GM, or how much the Vikings brass are in love with him today. Otherwise it’s you that is spewing drivel. I’m not saying he’s been the worst GM the last 2 years…and I’m not saying if he pulls off some miracle tomorrow people might start singing his praises again and I hope he does and proves he’s the GM I hoped he’d be. But the truth of the matter is most (not all) of his work to date has been uninspiring and inept starting with leaving the team in our current predicament. Guess who you don’t want to be on draft day…. The team everyone knows is desperate…especially when everyone knows you’re not a great negotiator. I hope he kills it tomorrow and turns the page, but to date…he’s been in over his head. What predicament has Kwesi left the team in? KOC has admittedly called himself the QB killer- meaning he has not signed off on drafting a QB early until now. So not signing Cousins to a $45mill/year and waiting until what is thought to be the best QB class in years is leaving the team in a predicament? They should have drafted Levis last year even though KOC didn't want him? Get ahold of yourself. The timing is great. We have tons of cap space next year to effectively mitigate the lack of draft picks. Well planned. |
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Post by 1angryviking on Apr 24, 2024 14:43:42 GMT -6
I will agree that this is a pivotal draft for KAM and the Vikings. Where I disagree is vision/plan… he obviously spent the past 2 off seasons setting the table to draft a QB this year while shedding declining vets and bad contracts.
Bottom line, the second KAM drafts a QB this year his seat cools off for 1-2 years.
I also think you have a really negative view point where you look to negate every positive…
- Chandler looks great - “but his pass blocking isn’t great”
- Addison was fantastic - “I hate his frame”
- Pace was a top 10 defensive rookie - “yeah, but he didn’t draft him in the 7th”
- etc…
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Post by tavike on Apr 24, 2024 14:48:13 GMT -6
Kwesi has only been GM for two years and you have been critical of him constantly. Must have missed the window you were cheering for him. LMAO! As far as the HOT seat crap I really doubt it is more than wishful thinking by some. People will believe what they want so no real damage. IMO a speculation article in the Athletic is not going to do much to alleviate your concerns that some believe you are constantly critical and have no clue. I'm under the assumption that it was Kwesi's call to let Cousins walk. Not Koc's and not the Wilf's. I think that Kewsi assured the Wilf's that he would get a QB of the future in this draft. So if he does draft that QB he will get an extension to see it through. His current contract is up after the 2025 season. If he doesn't get that QB, he's not getting the extension. Of course he would also have 2025 to get that QB, but there doesn't seem to be much in the way of QB's for 2025. |
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Post by redbird87 on Apr 24, 2024 14:50:55 GMT -6
I will agree that this is a pivotal draft for KAM and the Vikings. Where I disagree is vision/plan… he obviously spent the past 2 off seasons setting the table to draft a QB this year while shedding declining vets and bad contracts. Bottom line, the second KAM drafts a QB this year his seat will cools off for 1-2 years. I’m not saying a new QB won’t be given time. But if he gets fleeced again and or misses with what picks remain…it may not matter. I’m not expecting them to outright fire him next week, but the issue is if they’ll renew his contract. Getting the QB situation right is obviously critical, but I believe there is more to it than that. I think he’s gotta do more than give up a truckload of picks to get a rookie QB. |
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Post by purpleberserker on Apr 24, 2024 16:14:26 GMT -6
I will agree that this is a pivotal draft for KAM and the Vikings. Where I disagree is vision/plan… he obviously spent the past 2 off seasons setting the table to draft a QB this year while shedding declining vets and bad contracts. Bottom line, the second KAM drafts a QB this year his seat will cools off for 1-2 years. I’m not saying a new QB won’t be given time. But if he gets fleeced again and or misses with what picks remain…it may not matter. I’m not expecting them to outright fire him next week, but the issue is if they’ll renew his contract. Getting the QB situation right is obviously critical, but I believe there is more to it than that. I think he’s gotta do more than give up a truckload of picks to get a rookie QB. What I have observed about your take on KAM and other things is that if he/they don't do what you think they should do, then they have failed. It's all fine and well to have discussions, but anyone posting on this board has a small fraction of the information that KAM, KOC and the rest of the actual staff have. And even with all the information that is available to them, much of it is imperfect information, especially with regards to the draft. That is why the hit rate on drafted players is relatively low, even in the early rounds, despite all the resources these teams have. It is also natural for us to think that the Vikings fail at a much higher rate than most other teams simply because we are much more familiar with the Vikings than the rest of the league. "But if he gets fleeced again..." Who gets to decide if KAM gets fleeced, you? Is it simply if he trades away more picks that you would have? Does it depend on some antiquated draft chart? And as far as any hot seat goes, if the Vikings are smart, they will let the guy they paid $10MM for this season start and any rookie QB will spend this season on the bench. So it will likely be 3 years before they have any true clarity as to what they have in the new QB. Nobody will be able to make a cogent argument about being fleeced or not until that time. So as long as KAM is able to draft a QB that has a realistic chance to become the QB of the future, his seat isn't likely to be too hot in the near future IMO. |
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Post by jcchawk on Apr 24, 2024 17:43:54 GMT -6
I have gotten repeatedly blasted on here for being critical of Kwesi for poor drafts, poor team vision, questionable money prioritization, not getting return on the players and an inability to successfully negotiate with our own players and other GM’s resulting in playing from behind in negotiations. It hasn’t been all bad but the bad has far outweighed the good thus far and I have been disappointed as he WAS the GM I rooted for. So I found it interesting when the Athletic released an article recently stating no GM is on a hotter seat than Kwesi going into tomorrow for most of the reasons listed above. According the the author of the article, KOC is held in much higher regard than Kwesi right now with the Vikings brass and Kwesi will need to pull off a big win on draft day to secure an extension. I’m still pulling for him, because that will be good news for us, but for all the people who think I just love to be critical and don’t have a clue…apparently the Vikings brass shares a lot of my concerns and views. [br There is no one on this board more full of himself than you. |
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Post by taz24 on Apr 24, 2024 17:49:51 GMT -6
Kwesi is by no means on the HOT seat. That is just crap being spun to have a story to put out and fools picking it up as if it held some legitimacy.
Kwesi is safe for at LEAST another 2 years while KOC attempts to develop Darnold, Hall or a rookie.
Try to use your brain while you read articles. PFF graded the Vikings 2023 draft as the 6th most productive in the league. They have just cleared cap space. Cousins is gone and the staff will be given time to make that work. It really isn't that complicated.
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Post by wolfpack87 on Apr 24, 2024 18:08:13 GMT -6
Back to back losing seasons and his seat will be as hot as KOC's. All comes down to nailing this draft. No one is going to give a shit about what happened in the 2023 draft if he drops the ball getting a QB or hangs on to these two firsts and doesn't absolutely nail it with both of them. The is the NFL in 2024, its not like it was 15-20 years ago where everybody gets 5 years to prove they can't do the job before getting fired.
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Post by 1angryviking on Apr 24, 2024 18:22:21 GMT -6
Back to back losing seasons and his seat will be as hot as KOC's. All comes down to nailing this draft. No one is going to give a shit about what happened in the 2023 draft if he drops the ball getting a QB or hangs on to these two firsts and doesn't absolutely nail it with both of them. The is the NFL in 2024, its not like it was 15-20 years ago where everybody gets 5 years to prove they can't do the job before getting fired. The Wilfs gave a lot of freedom for Spielman to fail as he continuously missed at QB with Ponder, Cassel, Bridgewater, Bradford and Keenum at QB. |
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Post by skolvike on Apr 24, 2024 18:50:45 GMT -6
people in the know---I call them as I see them----other than a few people on the board F'''ckkkkk! What a bunch of complete drivel and self serving crap. Thanks for the entertainment. I was in need of a good laugh. It’s not been one article, it’s been several now, the last of which was from the Athletic (which is known for its journalism….which in this day and age is rare). And I’d argue journalist constantly in the circle of a team probably have more insight than most of us on the board. How about this Taz…. Go find me a “recent” article from any source that’s talks about how Kwesi has emerged as a top GM, or how much the Vikings brass are in love with him today. Otherwise it’s you that is spewing drivel. I’m not saying he’s been the worst GM the last 2 years…and I’m not saying if he pulls off some miracle tomorrow people might start singing his praises again and I hope he does and proves he’s the GM I hoped he’d be. But the truth of the matter is most (not all) of his work to date has been uninspiring and inept starting with leaving the team in our current predicament. Guess who you don’t want to be on draft day…. The team everyone knows is desperate…especially when everyone knows you’re not a great negotiator. I hope he kills it tomorrow and turns the page, but to date…he’s been in over his head. Come on, red. Some of us really do have memories a tad longer than a goldfish's. We remember your absolute tantrums when they hired Kwesi over (IIRC) Harbaugh in your case. Or maybe it was Proles, I don't care which it was, but you went ballistic over KAM's hire and you haven't moderated that stance for one line in about 1,000 anti-KAM posts. Now you're gloating because some talking head blathered on about KAM being on the hotseat -- not because it's likely, but because it aligns with the KAM voodoo doll you've been maniacally needling for 2 years and you love it. But sure, you're right. The Wilfs are completly enraged with the chance of finally landing a Viking franchise QB instead of their team continuing to be the last landing spot for over the hill legends and clueless never weres heading out the door to obscurity. They seethe with spending over 100 million of their money next year on first tier FAs, and they will no longer tolerate any more of this new fangled Vikings planning for the future. Nor, apparently, will you. |
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Post by redbird87 on Apr 24, 2024 22:24:03 GMT -6
Your memory must suck then because When we were searching for GMâs and HC, I was extremely clear I wanted KAM and KOC. I was Ok with JH when that developed but KZoC was always the guy I wanted as coach and I was 100% in the KAM camp as I liked the teams heâd come from, I thought he was smart and his analytic background and experience in player personnel would benefit us more than Poles. And Iâve repeatedly stated he was always the guy I wanted. It would behoove me more to defend him than criticize him, but Iâm not afraid to admit I probably got it wrong.
And itâs not just âsome journalistââ¦itâs Dianna Rossini who is one of the most connected and respected NFL journalists out there and what she writes is damn near considered gospel. Even Яetarded Яandy ™ did a segment this afternoon about it stating when she speaks NFL people listen. He goes on to state he thinks Kwesi should get 3 full years but fully acknowledges that the fact she dropped Kwesi as the GM most on the hot seat should put everyone on notice. So I donât think itâs smoke or some random article. Itâs coming from one of the best in the bus.
And as to getting fleeced, I think it boils down to if the Wilfâs think he gave up too much. He needs to have a really good offseason. So far itâs been a mixed bag. FA has been decent, the trade up to 23 I think gave us a lot of flex but he he likely canât afford more screwups. I still think thereâs a good chance he stays at 11 and that may prove the best move for his career.
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Post by taz24 on Apr 24, 2024 22:54:01 GMT -6
Staying put at 11 is a legitimate option. I also would not be shocked.
Kwesi on the Hot Seat is simply journalism fluff. You would have to define 'hotseat' completely different than I do to not see it as complete nonsense.
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Post by Vikeroo on Apr 24, 2024 23:25:01 GMT -6
First draft with his scouts and not Rick's...
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Post by ponifan on Apr 24, 2024 23:56:44 GMT -6
First draft with his scouts and not Rick's... I'm curious to see if that makes a difference, or if that was just a tactic to point fingers. |
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