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Post by drhoades on Mar 19, 2024 13:09:13 GMT -6
I watched some you tube highlights of Maye and JJM ( I know not the best way to scout QBs) and had some observations. 1) Maye throws a sweet long ball (50-55 yards) but he does have a hitch in his throwing motion kind of like Josh Allen. Not sure if that is a concern. 2) almost all of Mayes highlights were from very clean pockets where he had a lot of time to throw. 3) Maye is mobile but not particularly fast. Heβs a cheetah compared to Kirk but is a bit heavy footed. 4) very few highlights of Maye throwing on the run. 5) very few highlights of JJM completing deep balls. He has a strong arm and throws darts in the intermediate routes( 15-25 yards) but Iβm not sure he scares anyone deep. 6) JJM is very quick footed and throws great on the run. 7) JJM is very fast and athletic. Teams will have to game plan for his legs more so than Maye. So I donβt know. Maye looks like the better pure pocket passer but JJM looks better at extending a play and making something out of nothing. I look at Maye and see Josh Allen. I look at JJM and see a more athletic Drew Brees. Iβm fine with either one. Thanks frantheman, good observations. As far as I am concerned its as good as listening to or reading the jabber on the sports channels or websites.
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Post by 1angryviking on Mar 19, 2024 13:38:40 GMT -6
I watched some you tube highlights of Maye and JJM ( I know not the best way to scout QBs) and had some observations. 1) Maye throws a sweet long ball (50-55 yards) but he does have a hitch in his throwing motion kind of like Josh Allen. Not sure if that is a concern. 2) almost all of Mayes highlights were from very clean pockets where he had a lot of time to throw. 3) Maye is mobile but not particularly fast. Heβs a cheetah compared to Kirk but is a bit heavy footed. 4) very few highlights of Maye throwing on the run. 5) very few highlights of JJM completing deep balls. He has a strong arm and throws darts in the intermediate routes( 15-25 yards) but Iβm not sure he scares anyone deep. 6) JJM is very quick footed and throws great on the run. 7) JJM is very fast and athletic. Teams will have to game plan for his legs more so than Maye. So I donβt know. Maye looks like the better pure pocket passer but JJM looks better at extending a play and making something out of nothing. I look at Maye and see Josh Allen. I look at JJM and see a more athletic Drew Brees. Iβm fine with either one. It looks like receivers need to adjust more to JJM's ball than Maye's.
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Post by frantheman10 on Mar 19, 2024 14:48:31 GMT -6
I watched some you tube highlights of Maye and JJM ( I know not the best way to scout QBs) and had some observations. 1) Maye throws a sweet long ball (50-55 yards) but he does have a hitch in his throwing motion kind of like Josh Allen. Not sure if that is a concern. 2) almost all of Mayes highlights were from very clean pockets where he had a lot of time to throw. 3) Maye is mobile but not particularly fast. Heβs a cheetah compared to Kirk but is a bit heavy footed. 4) very few highlights of Maye throwing on the run. 5) very few highlights of JJM completing deep balls. He has a strong arm and throws darts in the intermediate routes( 15-25 yards) but Iβm not sure he scares anyone deep. 6) JJM is very quick footed and throws great on the run. 7) JJM is very fast and athletic. Teams will have to game plan for his legs more so than Maye. So I donβt know. Maye looks like the better pure pocket passer but JJM looks better at extending a play and making something out of nothing. I look at Maye and see Josh Allen. I look at JJM and see a more athletic Drew Brees. Iβm fine with either one. Thanks frantheman, good observations. As far as I am concerned its as good as listening to or reading the jabber on the sports channels or websites. Thanks DrH, but frankly I donβt know squat. It just seems that Maye had an easier time in college due to his opposition and was able to fling the ball around the field with limited stress. JJM played a higher level of competition that forced him to improvise with his arm and legs and he played at a high level. Maybe not as smooth a passer as Maye at this point but with the upside to get there to go along with his athleticism and intangibles. If it takes 3 numbers to get to the third pick for Maye but you get JJM at 5 for two number ones then put me down for JJM.
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Post by iceratz16 on Mar 19, 2024 14:54:32 GMT -6
Please don't overpay for a guy that has question marks, had great players and coach around him and didn't need to throw a high volume of passes. A mistake giving this much to move up will set this team back years. Unless you get a franchise guy, then fill other holes. Funny thing JJM might have the least amount of question marks. Daniels and Maye both are bad under pressure. Less effective in passing situations like 3rd and long. Did not play the hardest schedule of the 4 last year. Did not play in pro style offenses. The bigget question mark with Daniels is if he can function in an NFL offense and if his team will create an offense for him to be his most effective in like a Ravens or Eagles plan with their QB's. Maye has huge upside, but he was less efficient by almost every measure except clean pocket plays. Actually could be argued Daniels has a question mark because he played with the best group of WR's by a long shot of the lot (Think LSU has 2 guys projected to be 1st rd next year at WR). Question mark on JJM is that he played in an offense that did not ask him to throw high volume even though his 3rd year stats were better then Daniels. I am fine with any of the 3, but it is funny how the goal line keeps moving for you guys. First it was weak arm and to small and he is bigger surprise surprise then his recruited weight and threw 61 MPH ball. In many ways JJM is the safest pick of the 3 and they all have the same big question of if they can translate to the NFL game. JJM is the quickest decision maker and best under pressure of the 3. Maye has super hero type talent. Daniels can run like the wind and throws a nice deep ball. Daniels has the weakest arm of the 3 and freezes under pressure. Maye has decision making issues and trouble under pressure. JJM did not play in a high volume passing offense. I would add that JJM's arm power of 61 MPH at the combine was interesting to note. I also see a little Russel Wilson in Bo Nix's game. i don't love that he's 24 though. Maye kind of worries me a bit. I think he also has some incredible potential and things that can be fixed in the NFl and with better WRs, but his reads are just not that great, based on what I have seen from him...he seems all over the place more often than not. People complained out Cousins in the pocket, well, Maye doesn't feel the pocket well at all, IMO and that is worrisome. Yes, he can run, but he's mechanically off. His game reminds me of Herbert. I don't know what it is about Penix, but I just don't see it...he reminds me of a left-handed Akili Smith and that scares me. I also don't love that he'll be 24. IMO, JJM and Maye might be the best fits for the Vikings. I like the comparison from Fran who said JJM is like a more athletic Drew Brees.
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Post by drhoades on Mar 19, 2024 15:11:34 GMT -6
Thanks frantheman, good observations. As far as I am concerned its as good as listening to or reading the jabber on the sports channels or websites. Thanks DrH, but frankly I donβt know squat. It just seems that Maye had an easier time in college due to his opposition and was able to fling the ball around the field with limited stress. JJM played a higher level of competition that forced him to improvise with his arm and legs and he played at a high level. Maybe not as smooth a passer as Maye at this point but with the upside to get there to go along with his athleticism and intangibles. If it takes 3 numbers to get to the third pick for Maye but you get JJM at 5 for two number ones then put me down for JJM. hmm, wondering what KOC would deem to be the best? Seems to me that he would want the best pure passer of the two to run his offense but thats easy to say. Just recall that he wasn't very flexible with his offense when Dobbs went in.
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Post by drhoades on Mar 19, 2024 15:14:05 GMT -6
Funny thing JJM might have the least amount of question marks. Daniels and Maye both are bad under pressure. Less effective in passing situations like 3rd and long. Did not play the hardest schedule of the 4 last year. Did not play in pro style offenses. The bigget question mark with Daniels is if he can function in an NFL offense and if his team will create an offense for him to be his most effective in like a Ravens or Eagles plan with their QB's. Maye has huge upside, but he was less efficient by almost every measure except clean pocket plays. Actually could be argued Daniels has a question mark because he played with the best group of WR's by a long shot of the lot (Think LSU has 2 guys projected to be 1st rd next year at WR). Question mark on JJM is that he played in an offense that did not ask him to throw high volume even though his 3rd year stats were better then Daniels. I am fine with any of the 3, but it is funny how the goal line keeps moving for you guys. First it was weak arm and to small and he is bigger surprise surprise then his recruited weight and threw 61 MPH ball. In many ways JJM is the safest pick of the 3 and they all have the same big question of if they can translate to the NFL game. JJM is the quickest decision maker and best under pressure of the 3. Maye has super hero type talent. Daniels can run like the wind and throws a nice deep ball. Daniels has the weakest arm of the 3 and freezes under pressure. Maye has decision making issues and trouble under pressure. JJM did not play in a high volume passing offense. I would add that JJM's arm power of 61 MPH at the combine was interesting to note. I also see a little Russel Wilson in Bo Nix's game. i don't love that he's 24 though. Maye kind of worries me a bit. I think he also has some incredible potential and things that can be fixed in the NFl and with better WRs, but his reads are just not that great, based on what I have seen from him...he seems all over the place more often than not. People complained out Cousins in the pocket, well, Maye doesn't feel the pocket well at all, IMO and that is worrisome. Yes, he can run, but he's mechanically off. His game reminds me of Herbert. I don't know what it is about Penix, but I just don't see it...he reminds me of a left-handed Akili Smith and that scares me. I also don't love that he'll be 24. IMO, JJM and Maye might be the best fits for the Vikings. I like the comparison from Fran who said JJM is like a more athletic Drew Brees. based on the thoughts that i've seen most of the folks on board offer, i am hoping they go JJM
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Post by purplevein on Mar 19, 2024 15:32:34 GMT -6
If the Vikings trade up with the Patriots for the third pick, itβs to get Maye. If they trade up with the Chargers for the fifth pick, itβs to get McCarthy. Just hope that the Giants are bluffing and wonβt trade their sixth pick to the Cardinals to move up for the fourth pick.
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Post by blackmagic7 on Mar 19, 2024 18:52:07 GMT -6
Is a draft Marvin Harrison Jr. at 4 and trade him for/to-the-team-that-drafts McCarthy an option? I know, getting kind of wacky with it...
Harrison Jr. has been the consensual #2 player on the board the whole time. The best non-quarterback. Not sure why the Cardinals would move out of it unless the offer was well above equal point-wise. In the event that they did, how high is McCarthy actually going to go? Couldn't we take the BPA on the board and immediately dangle that carrot for a team that takes our guy?
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Post by budgrant1 on Mar 19, 2024 19:55:03 GMT -6
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Post by tavike on Mar 19, 2024 20:19:01 GMT -6
If the Vikings trade up with the Patriots for the third pick, itβs to get Maye. If they trade up with the Chargers for the fifth pick, itβs to get McCarthy. Just hope that the Giants are bluffing and wonβt trade their sixth pick to the Cardinals to move up for the fourth pick. The Vikes can trade up to 5 and put out there that they will take Harrison if the Giants move up to 4 and take the QB, thus removing the incentive for the Cardinals to only move down to 6.
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Post by mg415 on Mar 19, 2024 20:38:26 GMT -6
So Bud are ya saying this guy is the ONE? I would be pleased if we can get him.
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Post by budgrant1 on Mar 19, 2024 21:29:52 GMT -6
So Bud are ya saying this guy is the ONE? I would be pleased if we can get him. Hell I dont have a clue ...to be honest they ALL seem to have a flaw..So will just hope for the best on this one
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Post by mg415 on Mar 19, 2024 23:18:53 GMT -6
So Bud are ya saying this guy is the ONE?Β Β Β I would be pleased if we can get him.Β Β Β Hell I dont have a clue ...to be honest they ALL seem to have a flaw..So will just hope for the best on this one I hear you. Heck I thought Zack Wilson was going to be great. π. We will find out if Vikings get some good luck picking
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Post by frantheman10 on Mar 20, 2024 4:52:30 GMT -6
Iβm just glad it looks like weβre taking a shot on a high draft pick QB. Itβs been 25 years since Culpeppet and 45 years since TK. Itβs 50/50 that we blow the pick but if the Vikings hit in one of these guys, the next at least 5 years are going to be fun.
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Post by iceratz16 on Mar 20, 2024 18:01:03 GMT -6
I'm glad the Vikings have interest in McCarthy, as they should. He's the ultimate improvisor and though not flashy with stats, he's a gamer. The more I look at other QBs, besides Caleb Williams, I am almost sure that the Vikings see JJM as the #2 on the board. This kid is special.
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