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Post by tavike on Mar 4, 2024 12:08:33 GMT -6
I was thinking about this since it was reported earlier that the Falcons were first looking at Fields and than a week later they "are all in for Cousins"
I think 2 things may be going on here.
First the Bears want to wait till after the league year to trade Fields, they don't want to take away the Falcons option from Kirk. Making it difficult for the Viking to sign Kirk before the new league year and letting the void money hit the books.
Secondly, The Bears asked to much from the Falcons in a trade and the Falcons put out there that they are all in for Cousins, thus trying to make the Bears come down in their asking price for Fields
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Post by jeffsiemon on Mar 4, 2024 12:20:12 GMT -6
I was thinking about this since it was reported earlier that the Falcons were first looking at Fields and than a week later they "are all in for Cousins" I think 2 things may be going on here. First the Bears want to wait till after the league year to trade Fields, the don't want to take away the Falcon option from Kirk. Making it difficult for the Viking to sign Kirk before the new league year and letting the void money hit the books. Secondly, The Bears asked to much from the Falcons in a trade and the Falcons put out there that they are all in for Cousins, thus trying to make the Bears come down in their asking price More about agents leaking stuff. Fields is the antithesis of what KOC wants. The Vikings wouldn’t take him for free. |
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Post by skolvike on Mar 4, 2024 12:20:45 GMT -6
I was thinking about this since it was reported earlier that the Falcons were first looking at Fields and than a week later they "are all in for Cousins" I think 2 things may be going on here. First the Bears want to wait till after the league year to trade Fields, the don't want to take away the Falcon option from Kirk. Making it difficult for the Viking to sign Kirk before the new league year and letting the void money hit the books. Secondly, The Bears asked to much from the Falcons in a trade and the Falcons put out there that they are all in for Cousins, thus trying to make the Bears come down in their asking price You just made my head hurt. |
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Post by Vikeroo on Mar 4, 2024 17:45:02 GMT -6
I was thinking about this since it was reported earlier that the Falcons were first looking at Fields and than a week later they "are all in for Cousins" I think 2 things may be going on here. First the Bears want to wait till after the league year to trade Fields, the don't want to take away the Falcon option from Kirk. Making it difficult for the Viking to sign Kirk before the new league year and letting the void money hit the books. Secondly, The Bears asked to much from the Falcons in a trade and the Falcons put out there that they are all in for Cousins, thus trying to make the Bears come down in their asking price More about agents leaking stuff. Fields is the antithesis of what KOC wants. The Vikings wouldn’t take him for free. New coaching staff in Atlanta comes from the same coaching tree KOC does and Fields has been an odd fit for them since the new staff was brought on. |
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Post by taz24 on Mar 4, 2024 18:54:25 GMT -6
I think KC wants fully guaranteed contract.
I don't think KAM is willing to give it. I would not go fully guaraneed on a 36 year old QB coming off Achilles tear.
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Post by comet52 on Mar 5, 2024 9:26:29 GMT -6
Fields has too many flaws in his game. Atlanta is not signing him to start, they need a starter. Their team is talented but their qb play last year was horrible. They'd have won the division with nothing more than competence at the position. The question is does Arthur Blank who will be 82 this fall want to roll with another rookie, or just go after Kirk and try to win a little bit before he's got both feet in the grave?
As for the Bears being some sort of 3-dimensional chess playing front office that twirls it's mustache and lets out an evil belly laugh as they ruin all things Vikings... sure.
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Post by vikes79 on Mar 6, 2024 20:13:29 GMT -6
I think KC wants fully guaranteed contract. I don't think KAM is willing to give it. I would not go fully guaraneed on a 36 year old QB coming off Achilles tear. Everyone’s jumping on the KC leaving town bus…but not one person can say how many years KC wants guaranteed and how many the Vikes are willing to do…IE what is the gap? Is it Vikes saying 2 and KC wanting 4 or more? No way no how is KC getting more than 2 years guaranteed…from anyone with a sane GM. BTW just because Vikes aren’t offering a fully guaranteed contract, doesn’t mean KC is leaving either. He’d be a dam fool not to do some window shopping. Just negotiating BS and nothing more. |
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Post by vr46 on Mar 6, 2024 23:20:42 GMT -6
I think KC wants fully guaranteed contract. I don't think KAM is willing to give it. I would not go fully guaraneed on a 36 year old QB coming off Achilles tear. Everyone’s jumping on the KC leaving town bus…but not one person can say how many years KC wants guaranteed and how many the Vikes are willing to do…IE what is the gap? Is it Vikes saying 2 and KC wanting 4 or more? No way no how is KC getting more than 2 years guaranteed…from anyone with a sane GM. BTW just because Vikes aren’t offering a fully guaranteed contract, doesn’t mean KC is leaving either. He’d be a dam fool not to do some window shopping. Just negotiating BS and nothing more. Teams always let the most important player spin in the wind with no contract right until the last moment when they are intent on keeping them. |
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Post by blackmagic7 on Mar 6, 2024 23:59:27 GMT -6
There was quite a bit of talk about Kirk negotiations stalling out last offseason. The Fiction Section Of The Library (edit: LOL!!!) reported Kirk wasn't going to discuss his contract with us until March of this year, a detail that has been completely ignored in the narratives and discussions about his deal.
What were those talks all about again (contract terms)? And is there something that happened that we could point to during those negotiations that set the table for where we have ended up? (Not rhetorical)
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Post by brick on Mar 7, 2024 7:38:11 GMT -6
I think KC wants fully guaranteed contract. I don't think KAM is willing to give it. I would not go fully guaraneed on a 36 year old QB coming off Achilles tear. I'm guessing he also wants a no-trade clause. |
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Post by frantheman10 on Mar 7, 2024 7:54:41 GMT -6
I think KC wants fully guaranteed contract. I don't think KAM is willing to give it. I would not go fully guaraneed on a 36 year old QB coming off Achilles tear. I'm guessing he also wants a no-trade clause. I hope that KAM has the balls to hold firm. 36 yr old QB coming off a major injury with one playoff win on a 12-yr resume don't get to dictate terms. After 6 years of the Vikings giving kirk what he wants maybe it's time that Kirk the Vikings what they want. If not, then enjoy Atlanta or Vegas. Best of luck. |
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Post by budgrant1 on Mar 7, 2024 9:17:32 GMT -6
I'm guessing he also wants a no-trade clause. I hope that KAM has the balls to hold firm. 36 yr old QB coming off a major injury with one playoff win on a 12-yr resume don't get to dictate terms. After 6 years of the Vikings giving kirk what he wants maybe it's time that Kirk the Vikings what they want. If not, then enjoy Atlanta or Vegas. Best of luck. I hope the Wilf family does NOT meddle in this |
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Post by redbird87 on Mar 7, 2024 15:21:29 GMT -6
Based on how Kirk talked about his contract....I'd bet it's all about contract length. I think Kirk loves it here and wants to stay and retire a Viking. I'm guessing Kwesi only wants to offer a 1-2 year deal or is willing to do a longer deal but with only 1-2 years guaranteed while they groom a replacement. Based on things he's said I think Kirk was probably willing last fall to take less annually than he could fetch on the open market but wanted a longer guaranteed contract in return allowing him to retire a Viking.
I mean ultimately if you are Kirk and Kwesi isn't willing to give you at least a 3 year deal, then why would you stay? If you are Kirk and the guy is offering only a 1 or 2 year deal....why would you stay in Minn if the decision is "Do I move my kids now when I can make a fortune or two years from now and way less?" And why stay with a team and take a bargain contract for a team that isn't committed to you? If he could retire a Viking he may never need to move his kids....that is why I think he would be willing to take less to stay, but within reason and with a longer commitment.
I also see Kwesi's side of this as well in that it is scary to offer a 36 year old coming off an injury a long guaranteed contract. He may also feel a need to find a young QB to validate his job, given his tenure hasn't exactly been stellar to date.
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Post by redbird87 on Mar 7, 2024 15:27:46 GMT -6
I read an article a few days ago that raised the question if Kirk's departure will drive a divide between GM and Coach just like his arrival did. It insinuated that KOC (in a more delicate manner than Zimmer) has made it abundantly clear that he wants Kirk back and that Kirk is his guy. If Kwesi opts to go a different direction knowing KOC wants him back, will that create a rift too wide to mend particularly if the next QB isn't up to the challenge?
Interesting take.
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Post by skolvike on Mar 7, 2024 15:41:07 GMT -6
I read an article a few days ago that raised the question if Kirk's departure will drive a divide between GM and Coach just like his arrival did. It insinuated that KOC (in a more delicate manner than Zimmer) has made it abundantly clear that he wants Kirk back and that Kirk is his guy. If Kwesi opts to go a different direction knowing KOC wants him back, will that create a rift too wide to mend particularly if the next QB isn't up to the challenge? Interesting take. Then KOC will waltz his ass out of Minneapolis. KAM is still the boss, something RS never managed to make Zimmer understand. There are many, many coaches in the NFL who are drooling to be the next HC of the Vikings, and so far KOC hasn't done anything to indicate he's even close to being irreplaceable. Sure, the old adage is the squeaky wheel gets the grease, but the alternative to that adage is the squeaky wheel gets replaced when there's a new one that's just as good without all the hassle and argument readily available. Would KAM be missed? Not for a hot minute if the new guy led the team to a winning 2024 record. |
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