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Post by Vikeroo on Mar 7, 2024 16:12:47 GMT -6
Based on how Kirk talked about his contract....I'd bet it's all about contract length. I think Kirk loves it here and wants to stay and retire a Viking. I'm guessing Kwesi only wants to offer a 1-2 year deal or is willing to do a longer deal but with only 1-2 years guaranteed while they groom a replacement. Based on things he's said I think Kirk was probably willing last fall to take less annually than he could fetch on the open market but wanted a longer guaranteed contract in return allowing him to retire a Viking. I mean ultimately if you are Kirk and Kwesi isn't willing to give you at least a 3 year deal, then why would you stay? If you are Kirk and the guy is offering only a 1 or 2 year deal....why would you stay in Minn if the decision is "Do I move my kids now when I can make a fortune or two years from now and way less?" And why stay with a team and take a bargain contract for a team that isn't committed to you? If he could retire a Viking he may never need to move his kids....that is why I think he would be willing to take less to stay, but within reason and with a longer commitment. I also see Kwesi's side of this as well in that it is scary to offer a 36 year old coming off an injury a long guaranteed contract. He may also feel a need to find a young QB to validate his job, given his tenure hasn't exactly been stellar to date. Less for Kirk I doubt would be viewed by any others then Kirk as less. Other part is between the injury and age it is time for Kirk to stop betting on himself in a 1 or 2 year window and guarantee as much as he can before the curtains close. Good luck to Kirk I wish him well in his pursuit. The desperate move for the Vikings is to make an 11th hour capitulation on the Kirk contract and set this thing 2 or 3 more years back.
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Post by Vikeroo on Mar 7, 2024 16:16:55 GMT -6
Let me put this another way if the Vikings bring back Kirk and they do not make the playoffs this year everyone could be gone.
They move forward with a new plan and probably a young QB and show any spark at all in 24' KOC and KAM both probably get extended.
I think they are done being held hostage at this point.
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Post by taz24 on Mar 7, 2024 18:53:05 GMT -6
I see absolutely NO sign that KAM and/or KOC will be gone if we make or do not make the playoffs next year.
Wilf's gave Speilman about 20 years I don't know why anyone would think either is on the hot seat.
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Post by redbird87 on Mar 7, 2024 19:06:29 GMT -6
I see absolutely NO sign that KAM and/or KOC will be gone if we make or do not make the playoffs next year.Β Β Wilf's gave Speilman about 20 years I don't know why anyone would think either is on the hot seat.Β Β I tend to agree with this. If there is one thing everyone should take away from the Wilfs is that they donβt come off spontaneous . As many good businessmen are, they understand rash decisions and constant change rarely breeds success. They understand you need to have a plan and give that plan ample time to materialize, so long as itβs not imploding. I think they take a similar approach as the Steelers. And I actually think if there was a change or someone on the hot seat I think it would be Kwesi before KOC. The recent report showing the Vikings number 2 in satisfaction is something I think means a lot to the Wilfs. And while Kwesi plays a part in that, I think itβs a much better endorsement of KOC than the GM.
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Post by Vikeroo on Mar 7, 2024 20:08:39 GMT -6
I see absolutely NO sign that KAM and/or KOC will be gone if we make or do not make the playoffs next year. Wilf's gave Speilman about 20 years I don't know why anyone would think either is on the hot seat. If they try one more time to bring back Kirk and patch the holes in the leaky boat and it works out same or worse 3 tries in and the guys are in their last year it could be trying on the Wilfs patience.
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Post by tavike on Mar 7, 2024 20:57:34 GMT -6
I think KC wants fully guaranteed contract. I don't think KAM is willing to give it. I would not go fully guaraneed on a 36 year old QB coming off Achilles tear. I'm guessing he also wants a no-trade clause. Ding ding ding, exactly, this is probably the biggest sticking point, the vikes would most likely give him a guaranteed contract if they could trade him whenever they wanted.
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Post by tavike on Mar 7, 2024 21:00:01 GMT -6
Let me put this another way if the Vikings bring back Kirk and they do not make the playoffs this year everyone could be gone. They move forward with a new plan and probably a young QB and show any spark at all in 24' KOC and KAM both probably get extended. I think they are done being held hostage at this point. Great point, going with a rookie QB buys KAM at least two years to see if he develops.
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Post by PrΰΆ§udhΰΆ§rn on Mar 9, 2024 8:06:47 GMT -6
michael feeney @mdf71mdf Β· 59m Replying to @skornorth Here's a scoop for you BOBO'S Cousins has already met with ATL and requested number 8 he is gone your team is going to suck! Next season take the over for the Falcons and the under for your Vikings LOL!
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Post by budgrant1 on Mar 9, 2024 8:24:17 GMT -6
I see absolutely NO sign that KAM and/or KOC will be gone if we make or do not make the playoffs next year. Wilf's gave Speilman about 20 years I don't know why anyone would think either is on the hot seat. I tend to agree with this. If there is one thing everyone should take away from the Wilfs is that they donβt come off spontaneous . As many good businessmen are, they understand rash decisions and constant change rarely breeds success. They understand you need to have a plan and give that plan ample time to materialize, so long as itβs not imploding. I think they take a similar approach as the Steelers. And I actually think if there was a change or someone on the hot seat I think it would be Kwesi before KOC. The recent report showing the Vikings number 2 in satisfaction is something I think means a lot to the Wilfs. And while Kwesi plays a part in that, I think itβs a much better endorsement of KOC than the GM. Leave it to the bumbling WILFS to follow that Steelers Juggernaut..
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Post by redbird87 on Mar 9, 2024 8:57:58 GMT -6
I tend to agree with this. If there is one thing everyone should take away from the Wilfs is that they donβt come off spontaneous . As many good businessmen are, they understand rash decisions and constant change rarely breeds success. They understand you need to have a plan and give that plan ample time to materialize, so long as itβs not imploding. I think they take a similar approach as the Steelers. And I actually think if there was a change or someone on the hot seat I think it would be Kwesi before KOC. The recent report showing the Vikings number 2 in satisfaction is something I think means a lot to the Wilfs. And while Kwesi plays a part in that, I think itβs a much better endorsement of KOC than the GM. Leave it to the bumbling WILFS to follow that SteelersΒ Juggernaut.. Since 1969 the Steelers have had 3 Head Coaches. Those 3 coaches have accounted for 63 playoff games, 8 SB appearances and 6 SB wins. Each of the 3 coaches have at least 1 SB win. Each one has at least 1 SB Trophy! The Browns on the other hand have had 12 Head coaches since 1999, have drafted 4 1st Rd QBβs in that window and have had 4 playoff games to show for it, only winning 1. Clearly patience and continuity is a recipe for disaster Bud!!
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Post by budgrant1 on Mar 9, 2024 9:58:35 GMT -6
Leave it to the bumbling WILFS to follow that Steelers Juggernaut.. Since 1969 the Steelers have had 3 Head Coaches. Those 3 coaches have accounted for 63 playoff games, 8 SB appearances and 6 SB wins. Each of the 3 coaches have at least 1 SB win. Each one has at least 1 SB Trophy! The Browns on the other hand have had 12 Head coaches since 1999, have drafted 4 1st Rd QBβs in that window and have had 4 playoff games to show for it, only winning 1. Clearly patience and continuity is a recipe for disaster Bud!! Check the Steelers since 2011..Lets not settle but DEMAND more then that even
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Post by budgrant1 on Mar 9, 2024 11:54:42 GMT -6
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Post by comet52 on Mar 9, 2024 17:38:09 GMT -6
Leave it to the bumbling WILFS to follow that Steelers Juggernaut.. Since 1969 the Steelers have had 3 Head Coaches. Those 3 coaches have accounted for 63 playoff games, 8 SB appearances and 6 SB wins. Each of the 3 coaches have at least 1 SB win. Each one has at least 1 SB Trophy! The Browns on the other hand have had 12 Head coaches since 1999, have drafted 4 1st Rd QBβs in that window and have had 4 playoff games to show for it, only winning 1. Clearly patience and continuity is a recipe for disaster Bud!! Hiring a mediocre coach and letting him do the job forever is not a path to greatness. Cowher and Tomlin through 32 years made the playoffs 21 times or 2/3 of the time, with 9 AFCC and 4 SB appearances including 2 titles. All the coaches combined the Wilfs have hired have made them 7 times in 18 years or about 1/3 of the time, half the average rate that Steelers coaches did, with two NFCC losses the best they had to show for it. Patience and continuity don't get you anything if you don't hire the right guy to begin with. Steelers have continuity at the coaching position because they identified the right guys there. Cowher was in the playoffs 6 years in a row to start his hc career. Tomlin, who they plucked off the staff of the Wilfs and their beloved Chili, was in the playoffs 4 of his first 5 years with two SB trips and 1 win.
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