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Baker?
Feb 22, 2024 16:55:39 GMT -6
Post by drhoades on Feb 22, 2024 16:55:39 GMT -6
The whole point is to get off of the middling high paid vet QB carousel. Exactly! At some point you have to quit kicking the can down the road with guys like Cousins and Mayfield. Where has that gotten us in the last 20 years? The time is now to find a young QB and build the team around him. This is a great year to do it because it's not every year we pick this high and it's a talented QB group. sorry but this is where your logic is flawed, Kirk is not a middling QB, now Mayfield he has proven to be one. the hatred clouds the opinion constantly
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Post by redbird87 on Feb 22, 2024 17:58:35 GMT -6
Actually the whole point is to find the right QB! I’m not advocating NOT drafting a QB. Baker comes at less expense than Kirk, he’s not coming off an injury and he has the talent to be a Franchise QB…. But he needed the game to slow down, he needed the right coaches and he needed to regain his confidence. And by all measures it appears those things are happening.
He’s likely not getting a fully guaranteed contract like Kirk… so signing him doesn’t marry you to the guy if you draft a QB and are the 1 in 10 teams that actually finds a franchise QB. You can always trade the guy! But if you happen to be the 9 out of 10 teams that swing and miss at 1st Rd QB’s…. You still might actually have your Franchise QB!
Odin stated you draft a young guy and build around them. This Offense is largely already built! You don’t have the luxury of running a 3 year experiment hoping your draft pick you got is going to be the guy. The team already has a top 5 LT, WR and TE….all going to be costing premium dollars in the next few years. And if you want to build around the guy you don’t do that by trading away all your damn picks to move up high enough to get the top 3. You don’t waste all this expensive talent on a hope and a prayer that has a 90% fail rate.
I think Kirk is drastically underrated but he is 35 and coming off an injury on his plant foot and there’s no knowing how it may or may not affect his play. Baker isn’t as good as Kirk at the moment….but he’s growing as a player mentally and has all the physical tools that made him a #1 pick.
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Baker?
Feb 22, 2024 18:16:45 GMT -6
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Post by odinswrath on Feb 22, 2024 18:16:45 GMT -6
Exactly! At some point you have to quit kicking the can down the road with guys like Cousins and Mayfield. Where has that gotten us in the last 20 years? The time is now to find a young QB and build the team around him. This is a great year to do it because it's not every year we pick this high and it's a talented QB group. sorry but this is where your logic is flawed, Kirk is not a middling QB, now Mayfield he has proven to be one. the hatred clouds the opinion constantly I agree Kirk is the better player but will be 36 and coming off a major injury. Plus our offense is below average in two areas that Kirk needs to succeed (interior offensive line and running game). It's not Kirk's fault but the team really blew it 7 years ago when they acquired him, they should have went all in on developing a strong offensive line but they failed miserably.
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Baker?
Feb 22, 2024 18:36:39 GMT -6
Post by drhoades on Feb 22, 2024 18:36:39 GMT -6
sorry but this is where your logic is flawed, Kirk is not a middling QB, now Mayfield he has proven to be one. the hatred clouds the opinion constantly I agree Kirk is the better player but will be 36 and coming off a major injury. Plus our offense is below average in two areas that Kirk needs to succeed (interior offensive line and running game). It's not Kirk's fault but the team really blew it 7 years ago when they acquired him, they should have went all in on developing a strong offensive line but they failed miserably. that is certainly true. lots of picks and signings on the o-line never panned out.
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Feb 23, 2024 10:56:53 GMT -6
Post by dougpaschal on Feb 23, 2024 10:56:53 GMT -6
Mullens got a start over Mayfield,
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Feb 23, 2024 16:06:40 GMT -6
Post by Vikeroo on Feb 23, 2024 16:06:40 GMT -6
Actually the whole point is to find the right QB! I’m not advocating NOT drafting a QB. Baker comes at less expense than Kirk, he’s not coming off an injury and he has the talent to be a Franchise QB…. But he needed the game to slow down, he needed the right coaches and he needed to regain his confidence. And by all measures it appears those things are happening. He’s likely not getting a fully guaranteed contract like Kirk… so signing him doesn’t marry you to the guy if you draft a QB and are the 1 in 10 teams that actually finds a franchise QB. You can always trade the guy! But if you happen to be the 9 out of 10 teams that swing and miss at 1st Rd QB’s…. You still might actually have your Franchise QB! Odin stated you draft a young guy and build around them. This Offense is largely already built! You don’t have the luxury of running a 3 year experiment hoping your draft pick you got is going to be the guy. The team already has a top 5 LT, WR and TE….all going to be costing premium dollars in the next few years. And if you want to build around the guy you don’t do that by trading away all your damn picks to move up high enough to get the top 3. You don’t waste all this expensive talent on a hope and a prayer that has a 90% fail rate. I think Kirk is drastically underrated but he is 35 and coming off an injury on his plant foot and there’s no knowing how it may or may not affect his play. Baker isn’t as good as Kirk at the moment….but he’s growing as a player mentally and has all the physical tools that made him a #1 pick. Already had a taste of the Kirk experiment for 6 years... Vikings have made the playoffs a few times in last 25 years with guys on their rookie contract. I am done with retreads.
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Feb 23, 2024 16:16:00 GMT -6
Post by 1angryviking on Feb 23, 2024 16:16:00 GMT -6
The QB market has been completely reset when Daniel Jones is making 40... with the new cap number I'm guessing that Baker is going to want 40 a year over 2-3 years.
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Baker?
Feb 23, 2024 18:30:26 GMT -6
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Post by frantheman10 on Feb 23, 2024 18:30:26 GMT -6
Kirk isn’t coming back. If he was the deal would have been done by now. He’s been here 6 years. Both sides were working on an extension last spring that fell through. What more do the Vikings and Kirk need to know about each other to reach common ground on a deal? Both sides have decided to split up but they just haven’t told the kids yet.
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Baker?
Feb 23, 2024 18:54:24 GMT -6
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Post by redbird87 on Feb 23, 2024 18:54:24 GMT -6
Kirk isn’t coming back. If he was the deal would have been done by now. He’s been here 6 years. Both sides were working on an extension last spring that fell through. What more do the Vikings and Kirk need to know about each other to reach common ground on a deal? Both sides have decided to split up but they just haven’t told the kids yet. I tend to believe you are correct only because my understanding is if we don’t extend him before the start of the league year we lose the ability to deal with his dead cap bringing it all forward (I could be wrong on this, but I’m pretty sure that’s how it works). But, I can also see Kwesi wanting to see what other teams are willing to offer before sticking his neck out. The Vikings have done this multiple times over the years (see Barr) and I feel Kwesi has trouble making decisions…. So I don’t completely rule out this possibility. I feel like damn near every personnel decision on existing players comes down to the last hour and it’s yet to work out… so I’d hope he’d learn. But given Theo is the only move we’ve declared I’d say nothing has changed. If Kwesi screws up this offseason (like all the others thus far) his ass had better be headed out the door!!
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Feb 23, 2024 19:27:00 GMT -6
Post by smoot4208 on Feb 23, 2024 19:27:00 GMT -6
Kirk isn’t coming back. If he was the deal would have been done by now. He’s been here 6 years. Both sides were working on an extension last spring that fell through. What more do the Vikings and Kirk need to know about each other to reach common ground on a deal? Both sides have decided to split up but they just haven’t told the kids yet. I feel Kwesi has trouble making decisions…. So I don’t completely rule out this possibility. I feel like damn near every personnel decision on existing players comes down to the last hour and it’s yet to work out… so I’d hope he’d learn. But given Theo is the only move we’ve declared I’d say nothing has changed. If Kwesi screws up this offseason (like all the others thus far) his ass had better be headed out the door!! Completely agree with this. I've never understand why it seems like any resigning goes down to the final 24 hours
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Feb 23, 2024 20:11:40 GMT -6
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Post by blackmagic7 on Feb 23, 2024 20:11:40 GMT -6
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Feb 24, 2024 10:36:46 GMT -6
Post by rp12812 on Feb 24, 2024 10:36:46 GMT -6
Anyone else see Washingtons Howell as a young Baker? Might Howell be worth a shot given our receiving corps, O line are better. Seems like the kind of player KOC might be able to mold? Would be a cheap solution and not sure he isn't just as good a gamble at this point as all the other draft qb options outside the top 2 or 3 which would mortgage our future.
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Feb 24, 2024 11:21:55 GMT -6
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Post by odinswrath on Feb 24, 2024 11:21:55 GMT -6
Anyone else see Washingtons Howell as a young Baker? Might Howell be worth a shot given our receiving corps, O line are better. Seems like the kind of player KOC might be able to mold? Would be a cheap solution and not sure he isn't just as good a gamble at this point as all the other draft qb options outside the top 2 or 3 which would mortgage our future. I would rather trade up for a chance at getting the next Lamar Jackson or Mahomes instead of acquiring the next Baker Mayfield.
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Feb 24, 2024 12:40:29 GMT -6
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Post by redbird87 on Feb 24, 2024 12:40:29 GMT -6
Anyone else see Washingtons Howell as a young Baker? Might Howell be worth a shot given our receiving corps, O line are better. Seems like the kind of player KOC might be able to mold? Would be a cheap solution and not sure he isn't just as good a gamble at this point as all the other draft qb options outside the top 2 or 3 which would mortgage our future. I would rather trade up for a chance at getting the next Lamar Jackson or Mahomes instead of acquiring the next Baker Mayfield. Who are you going to trade up for?? Unless Maye falls to 3 there’s nobody worth trading up for.
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Feb 24, 2024 14:35:04 GMT -6
Post by Vikeroo on Feb 24, 2024 14:35:04 GMT -6
Exactly! At some point you have to quit kicking the can down the road with guys like Cousins and Mayfield. Where has that gotten us in the last 20 years? The time is now to find a young QB and build the team around him. This is a great year to do it because it's not every year we pick this high and it's a talented QB group. sorry but this is where your logic is flawed, Kirk is not a middling QB, now Mayfield he has proven to be one. the hatred clouds the opinion constantly Yeah, he is. He and Dak are the "elite" of the middling QB's.
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