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Post by shawn3458 on Oct 9, 2023 1:16:55 GMT -6
Says who our GM Is better then speil he took us in cap hell our new brought us out. He just cut a couple guys then pushed a bunch of money into void years on several others Any idiot GM could have done that.
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Post by frantheman10 on Oct 9, 2023 6:14:58 GMT -6
Just to be clear, I like Kirk but do you want the Vikings to resign a 36 yr old Kirk for another 2-3 years at $40mm per? Yes. This team is not in a position to make a rookie QB successful Then draft a QB and let him sit behind a less expensive vet QB. You can sign a vet QB for $15-20mm a year as opposed to KC at $40mm and used the money saved to sign two NFL caliber guards to protect your young QB when he eventually plays. Having a $40mm a year QB on a team that has no chance of winning in the next two years is assinine. Which means KAM will probably do it.
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Post by redbird87 on Oct 9, 2023 7:21:57 GMT -6
Yes. This team is not in a position to make a rookie QB successful Then draft a QB and let him sit behind a less expensive vet QB. You can sign a vet QB for $15-20mm a year as opposed to KC at $40mm and used the money saved to sign two NFL caliber guards to protect your young QB when he eventually plays. Having a $40mm a year QB on a team that has no chance of winning in the next two years is assinine. Which means KAM will probably do it. So you or someone else just made the point Jefferson and Darrisaw are the two real talents on the team. Jefferson is sticking around to play for a 12-13M dollar FA QB. Jefferson wants to win and cement his legacy in Canton. Neither of those are happening if you go that route. So if you want Jefferson to be here when your Rookie QB is ready to take over⦠then you are going to have to have a QB in house tgat can keep team competitive and deliver the ball to Jefferson. Right now QB decision is a 2-1 deal. Kirk comes back⦠so does Jefferson. Kirk goes⦠so does Jefferson.
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Post by wolfpack87 on Oct 9, 2023 8:02:59 GMT -6
If JJ really thinks he needs to tie his career to a late 30s QB that is only going to get worse then best of luck to him elsewhere. There's no way anyone that knows football can look at Kirk Cousins and think that he's suddenly going to carry a mediocre defense and a poor offensive line to a championship when he hasn't done it yet and he'll just be another two or three years older. He's not coming back for less money, some team will overpay for him just as the Vikings did.
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Post by redbird87 on Oct 9, 2023 8:57:04 GMT -6
If JJ really thinks he needs to tie his career to a late 30s QB that is only going to get worse then best of luck to him elsewhere. There's no way anyone that knows football can look at Kirk Cousins and think that he's suddenly going to carry a mediocre defense and a poor offensive line to a championship when he hasn't done it yet and he'll just be another two or three years older. He's not coming back for less money, some team will overpay for him just as the Vikings did.Β No QB is carrying a team to a championship with a crap OL and a mediocre defense!! Thatβs what you donβt seem to get. You talk like a different QB is going to have different results. Mahomes isnβt getting to the SB in Minnesotaβ¦ hate to break it to you! Too much pressure up the middle, not a talented enough D and most importantly β¦ too many dumb coaching decisions! Oh and way fewer calls going his way as well!
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Post by franklin99 on Oct 9, 2023 9:34:25 GMT -6
With a QB friendly draft coming up and Kirk not being re-signed this late, the Cousins Crusaders on here are currently processing a rude awakening?
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Post by frantheman10 on Oct 9, 2023 9:45:34 GMT -6
Then draft a QB and let him sit behind a less expensive vet QB. You can sign a vet QB for $15-20mm a year as opposed to KC at $40mm and used the money saved to sign two NFL caliber guards to protect your young QB when he eventually plays. Having a $40mm a year QB on a team that has no chance of winning in the next two years is assinine. Which means KAM will probably do it. So you or someone else just made the point Jefferson and Darrisaw are the two real talents on the team. Jefferson is sticking around to play for a 12-13M dollar FA QB. Jefferson wants to win and cement his legacy in Canton. Neither of those are happening if you go that route. So if you want Jefferson to be here when your Rookie QB is ready to take over⦠then you are going to have to have a QB in house tgat can keep team competitive and deliver the ball to Jefferson. Right now QB decision is a 2-1 deal. Kirk comes back⦠so does Jefferson. Kirk goes⦠so does Jefferson. So if the Vikings go to JJ in March and say we know 2023 sucked. We were 4-13. You got hurt and missed a lot of games. But we're looking ahead. we have the 5th pick in the draft and we love Quinn Ewers out of Texas. We think he can be a franchise QB for this team but we don't want to rush him. We want him to sit for a bit and learn the pro game and maybe get him in as a starter around week 8 or 9. We're going to go out and sign a guy like Winston or Minshew to hold down the fort until Quinn is ready and use our cap space to try and fix the lines. We need to upgrade the IOL to protect Quinn and our DL needs talent. We're probably not a playoff team in 2024 but we set the table for 2025 and beyond with you, Quinn, Jordan, Hock, Darrisaw, the new guys on the O line. Of course, this all means that Kirk is gone. Are you all right with that? I don't think JJ says that plan sucks. if Kirks gone then i'm gone. It might be a little more expensive to keep him but he'll stay.
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Post by wolfpack87 on Oct 9, 2023 10:09:35 GMT -6
If JJ really thinks he needs to tie his career to a late 30s QB that is only going to get worse then best of luck to him elsewhere. There's no way anyone that knows football can look at Kirk Cousins and think that he's suddenly going to carry a mediocre defense and a poor offensive line to a championship when he hasn't done it yet and he'll just be another two or three years older. He's not coming back for less money, some team will overpay for him just as the Vikings did. No QB is carrying a team to a championship with a crap OL and a mediocre defense!! Thatβs what you donβt seem to get. You talk like a different QB is going to have different results. Mahomes isnβt getting to the SB in Minnesotaβ¦ hate to break it to you! Too much pressure up the middle, not a talented enough D and most importantly β¦ too many dumb coaching decisions! Oh and way fewer calls going his way as well! Never said a new QB would fix any of that, but having a competent QB not making $40 million a year or even half that gives us much better odds to be able to build better offensive and defensive lines and protect a young QB that could actually win a championship here.
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Post by tavike on Oct 9, 2023 10:23:49 GMT -6
I like to see you folks catch a football In the middle of field and get hit hard you folks would drop the ball It's not easy. Folks sit behind the TV and eat chips easy to say they are bad get out In feild see how you do. Why would you want see us catch a ball in the middle of the field, wouldn't you rather see a Hockenson do it... oh wait you can't.
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Post by RF54 on Oct 9, 2023 19:00:15 GMT -6
don't know, not sure what the plan is I am just tired of all the vitriol for Kirk when he is far better than what the Vikings other options were. Someone will sign Kirk this offseason for over $40M. Without Kirk the Vikings are in for some bad years, and I wonder what JJ will do w/o a quality QB. Dude, we got Kirk now playing at a high level and weβre 1-4. Whatβs the plan? The plan better be to strip this team down to the studs and start over. We have two good players under contract for 2024: JJ and Darrisaw. Weβre in for a 2-3 yr rebuild and a 36 yr old expensive QB doesnβt fit. Kirk should finish his career where he may have a shot to win a championship. Not part of a dumpster fire tear down. if that is the plan, why haven't there been any moves yet?
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Post by RF54 on Oct 9, 2023 19:04:43 GMT -6
Osborne was by far the worst player on the Field IMO. Doesn't even look for the ball on a would be td pass that zings by his head. On another catch he runs to the middle of the field instead of heading to the left sideline which would have gotten him inside the 10 and maybe a TD and at least 2 drops on easy catches and his blocking was garbage. Yup. said all offseason KJ was a nice little story but he was not a #2 and shouldn't be looked at as anything more than an average 3. He has been terrible all season. Addison is clearly our 2nd best WR and we lack anything beyond that.
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Post by rooscooter on Oct 10, 2023 16:15:07 GMT -6
Aaron Rodgers throw's back shoulder and adjacent to receivers and he's great. Cousins is throwing "behind" them.
We have receivers who can get open but we don't have a "go and get it" one on the team.
Having played the game through college as a safety I can tell you that the view where the actual game is played is just a little different than the ones televised. 2 of the throws were primarily because of how TJ ran the route. Running directly away from Cousins left no lane to throw the ball in. TJ did that twice and both balls were catchable even with nearly no positive angle to get the ball there with a trailing defender. What happens before the throw is what separates good pass catchers from the average. TJ is average.
The throws to TJ were caught all around the league last week. Somehow not blaming him for not catching balls that hit him in both hands seems biased. But that's just me.
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Post by rooscooter on Oct 10, 2023 16:18:54 GMT -6
yep. Zero rings like Moon, McMahon, George, Frerotte, Cunningham, Favre, Johnson, Bradfordβ¦.all the same. Zero rings tarkenton 57 Superbowls.... 36 winning QB's. How many QBs have played in the NFL since 1965 again?
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Post by tavike on Oct 10, 2023 16:38:24 GMT -6
57 Superbowls.... 36 winning QB's. How many QBs have played in the NFL since 1965 again? Well we know the Vikes had 20. Don't know if every team is that bad. But if so, you're looking at 600 or so QBs
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Post by rooscooter on Oct 10, 2023 22:00:14 GMT -6
If JJ really thinks he needs to tie his career to a late 30s QB that is only going to get worse then best of luck to him elsewhere. There's no way anyone that knows football can look at Kirk Cousins and think that he's suddenly going to carry a mediocre defense and a poor offensive line to a championship when he hasn't done it yet and he'll just be another two or three years older. He's not coming back for less money, some team will overpay for him just as the Vikings did. Granted, but what's your short list for QB's that have done that? If you look at SB teams you'll almost always find great offensive lines and defensive lines.
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