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Post by drhoades on Oct 4, 2023 13:23:28 GMT -6
No players in college football are watched and scouted more closely than QB's and yet the success rate is roughly 10%. What that should tell you is that getting a franchise QB is more about luck than skill...particularly in today's NFL where college offenses don't translate. The most hyped QB's either play on offenses that are gimmicks, so far above and beyond the competitions defenses that they are rarely pressured and asked to go through progressions or they are from smaller programs where it's impossible to know if the success they are having can translate against better competition in the NFL (think Purdy). QB success is dependent on much more than the player alone. Not only do you have to draft the right guy, but now you have to hope you are putting them in a position to succeed. Are you going to put too much pressure on him early. Is your line strong enough to protect him so he doesn't get rattled and spooked from enduring constant hits, can your coaching staff work to his strengths, is the rest of the team strong enough win helping to build confidence. Does anyone here actually think Patrick Mahomes would be the Patrick Mahomes everyone is drooling over if the Vikings had drafted him instead of KC? 100% no way! We had OC's that ran a specific offense that would not have adapted to his skillset. Zimmer would have gone nuts with his adlib nature....anyone remember how much he hated Case Keenum? And our OL would have had him running for his life because he isn't really a timing QB. I'm not saying he'd have been a failure, but he's probably not the superstar everyone knows today. And as to the whole "tired of being content with being good" have to draft a QB. 1st, getting to a super bowls starts with being good. Then you have to have a lot of things go right. You have to have good coaching, you have to stay healthy, you need you have a schedule that is favorable, you have to get some calls that go your way at the right times, you have to have the ball bounce your way and your team needs to gel....but if your team isn't at least in a position to be competetive...none of the rest matters. It starts with putting a team that can win on the field....we have that team, Chicago does not. And for the poster that constantly talks about have to draft a QB, that going the FA route over and over has to change....I'll remind you that Fran Tarkenton, Randall Cunningham, Brett Farve and Case Keenum got us closer to Super Bowl Victories than any QB we have ever drafted....and we've drafted a lot! Speaking of drafting a lot of QB's take a look at Cleveland.....how many 1st Round QB's have they drafted the last 30 years and how many SB appearances have they had? Last, even if we are lucky enough to actually draft a "Franchise QB"....it doesn't guarantee success. Nick Foles and Mathew Stafford (who Detroit gave up on) have as many Super Bowl Rings and appearances as Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees. They have more Super Bowl Rings that Joe Burrow, Jim Kelly, Dan Marino, Cam Newton, Matt Ryan, Steve McNair. And, they have more Super Bowl appearances than Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Dak Prescott, Andrew Luck, Tony Romo, Dan Marino, Phillip Rivers, Dan Fouts, Warren Moon ......... all Franchise QB's and many who are in or on their way to the HOF! The obsession with betting the farm on a QB is just mind blowing. In my opinion, build a team that has a respectable Defense in place, has an OL that can protect a QB and then go draft your QB. I have no problem with drafting but do so when they are in a position to succeed and don't bet the farm for one...that backdrop is not the 2024 Vikings! Exactly, as i have said, this team is one of the most successful in terms of won loss, we need to fix the damn line play. You don't do that by dumping your best players so you can play a game of roulette hoping to hit it big on a QB in a pool of amateurs most of whom never play in the NFL. You draft linemen in the first two rounds, you dont trade down, and you use your cap to acquire FA linemen. ANd NO Kirk is not prohibiting that.
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Post by lunas on Oct 4, 2023 13:37:12 GMT -6
You need a guy on a rookie scale contract or a guy who can carry a team on his back.
In general the salary cap prohibits a team from winning a SB with a veteran who makes 40 million plus who can’t carry a team on his back because they can’t roster construct properly.
This is what Zimmer said before we signed him.
This was and will continue to be KC’s issue.
Everyone knows he is a top 15 QB.
It’s the rules of the game that will prohibit any team that has to pay him his full salary from competing and winning a SB.
It’s not going to happen as long as he is our starting QB. Economics will dictate this.
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Post by lunas on Oct 4, 2023 14:11:03 GMT -6
40-50 percent of first marriages end in divorce
67 percent of 2nd marriages end in divorce.
73 percent of 3rd marriages end in divorce.
Logic dictates that you mitigate risk by marrying someone who has no track record of being married rather than one who has failed at it.
Somehow some people think that after a team puts all resources into making a rookie QB work and gives up on him a few years later, that it would give you better odds to pick him up than to keep drafting QB’s for the eventual goal of winning a SB.
Sure the floor is higher for a veteran. The absolute bust rate is lower. So what?
Odds are his ceiling is lower. Again, if you want to squeeze into the playoff and go home before going to the big dance than getting someone’s leftovers is a great plan.
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Post by redbird87 on Oct 4, 2023 17:05:56 GMT -6
You need a guy on a rookie scale contract or a guy who can carry a team on his back. In general the salary cap prohibits a team from winning a SB with a veteran who makes 40 million plus who can’t carry a team on his back because they can’t roster construct properly. This is what Zimmer said before we signed him. This was and will continue to be KC’s issue. Everyone knows he is a top 15 QB. It’s the rules of the game that will prohibit any team that has to pay him his full salary from competing and winning a SB. It’s not going to happen as long as he is our starting QB. Economics will dictate this. [br Economics don’t dictate this. People are being fooled into thinking the recent move of guys like Mahomes, Herbert, Burrow getting to SB’s is all about cap space. And in the window they came into the league it was probably accurate. That window is closing if it isn’t already. The new great QB’s came into the league as the former great QB’s were on the decline physically and on their way out. The path to confidence, the path to success was easier. They didn’t have to beat Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Drew Brees, Big Ben, Aaron Rodgers, even Tom Brady in their primes…. They got the mostly shriveled up version of them trying to make of for lost talent with knowledge. New QB’s entering the league are no longer facing declining QB’s. Rodgers is only one left and he can’t stay healthy and has been a shell of his prime for years. Now the new “Elite” talent is getting paid massive sums of money just like the QB’s before them for their time. Look at the contracts Mahomes, Herbert, Burrow, Lamar just signed. And I’m here to tell you aside from Mahomes (who also has days were he sucks) none of these QB “carry” their teams any better than Cousins…. because it takes more than one player to win games! Brady as great as he was rarely had great skill players… but he always had good OL’s and good Defenses. But these new elite QB’s are confident, talented, they’ve settled in, they are over the hump and because they are confident they are fierce competitors. If you think that none of that group is going to win a SB again because they aren’t on Rookie deals you are fooling yourself!! Bottom line the exodus of the former great QB’s created a window for young QB’s to succeed at a higher than normal rate. That window is probably close to being closed. It’s really only still open because the NFC doesn’t have an elite young talent yet. Purdy is playing great… but he’s in a perfect situation….he doesn’t have to power the boat… he just has to steer it!
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