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Post by 1angryviking on Sept 28, 2023 7:43:58 GMT -6
My problem is that he hired Grigson. That man ruined the colts and Luck. How the hell can we hire him to such a key role when he can’t spot talent at all. Our front office is a mess! I'm also not a fan of the Grigson hire. But, the Vikings and the Colts have had problems with their drafts well before he arrived and I don't think he is the only voice in the room. Personally, I think that the larger problem with the scouting department were all of the previous scouts that were replaced earlier this year.
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Post by mgb8 on Sept 28, 2023 9:07:29 GMT -6
Are we considering Roy a "solid rookie"? Has he even played a snap yet? As for the 0-3, I had us at 1-2 at this point so it's really not far off from my expectations. I figured we'd beat the Bucs, and also the Panthers to start 2-3, which is still mathematically possible, though not very likely (would require us beating the Chiefs). Yes, the ugly manner in which we've been losing is a bit troubling, but overall the end result is... well to paraphrase Denny; "they are who we thought they are." If we don't beat the Panthers we're 0-4, starting at a likely 0-5. At that point I think we can all "embrace the suck" as Jared Allen put it during the 3-13 Frazier year. But let's see what happens in Carolina first. Roy in the few snaps he has was better than the other other pieces of ***** Kwesi decided to sign and have play for us. I embraced the suck long before this season. Pretty much last years Dallas game was when I really doubted the team and understood the flawed structure of the roster. If we finish say 7-10 or worse 9-8…that would be the WORST. We’d still have the glass half full fans Insisnting on keeping the band together and we’ll just stay in mediocrity’s oribit. This roster is so ripe to take a step back for a season…and then kick ass the next year. I just see it differently and believe that’s the best path to be great. I of course don’t WANT us to lose..but I do understand why we’re losing. The thing is, (IMO) the Vikes ARE a .500 ish talent team. And they WERE a .500 is level team last season, with slightly more overall talent. Losing Z.Smith, Hendricks, Peterson, J.Lynch to injury, Cook and Theilen, to be replaced by Murphy, Addison, Pace, non-existent Davenport, Lowry, plus a couple of other additions is a net negative, but that isn’t the difference between a playoff team and a bottom feeder. it’s a “the way the ball bounces”, like the miracle fumble in BUF, that last season went the Vikes way, and this season have gone opposite (see: Chargers game). the team isn’t a bottom feeder, but they weren’t as good as the record suggested either. how they want to go forward … tricky. But they need to fix the OL and p, in particular, the DL.
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Post by dougpaschal on Sept 28, 2023 10:34:44 GMT -6
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Post by dougpaschal on Sept 28, 2023 10:37:07 GMT -6
They need a healthy Bradbury. That's what they need more than anything. They're probably no worse than 2-1 with Bradbury
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Post by mgb8 on Sept 28, 2023 11:29:08 GMT -6
Deceptive via omission. The Vikings have the highest number of pass attempts in the league by 9 (or 3 per game). They are middle of the pack in terms of sacks, 3rd down conversion percentage, and, notably, Points per game. 2nd worst in the league in Rushing yards per game, league worst in turnover differential (some of which has been due to the Oline - cough Ingram cough - though certainly not all) but one of the better teams in the league in terms of penalties. They have played one good defense, one average to above average defense, and one poor defense.
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Post by burntpackerdbs84 on Sept 28, 2023 14:42:05 GMT -6
They need a healthy Bradbury. That's what they need more than anything. They're probably no worse than 2-1 with Bradbury Can I be a bong hitter too?
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Post by legion11 on Sept 28, 2023 15:04:36 GMT -6
They're 3rd in yardage but if you click to re-sort it by POINTS scored they drop all the way to 17th. I'm pretty sure the main goal of an offense is to put up points. I've never seen a team awarded a W for out-gaining the opposition while having a lower number on the scoreboard, have you?
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Post by dougpaschal on Sept 28, 2023 15:14:23 GMT -6
Are the Vikings the only fraud offense in the top-5 yard category group? It would figure
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Post by legion11 on Sept 28, 2023 15:17:27 GMT -6
Are Vikings the only fraud offense in the top-5 yard category group? It would figure Sort it by points scored.
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Post by dougpaschal on Sept 28, 2023 15:50:41 GMT -6
Yeah They’ve screwed up some
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Post by redbird87 on Sept 28, 2023 18:34:35 GMT -6
The low Points per game is direct result of 3 things. 1). Poor play calling in the Redzone, 2). Inability to successfully run the ball at the goal line (OL gets demolished) 3). Turnovers inside the other teams 35.
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Post by mgb8 on Sept 29, 2023 8:27:09 GMT -6
The Vikes offense has high end talent at the skill positions (though only middling ant RB) and weakness on the Oline.
As a result, they get inconsistent results, factoring in opponent and in game situation (including whether defense has softened due to lead, particularly against infrequent and not particularly effective running plays, but also in the softened in the short and mid range to prevent quick scores), and whether the Oline holds up on that particular play (or they overcome the fail)… where the Oline holds up less often than middling or good offensive lines.
it is a potentially above average offense due to the skill positions, depending on the day the line is happening, etc.
If line play improves, they could be a top offense.
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Post by dougpaschal on Sept 29, 2023 8:45:19 GMT -6
The Vikes offense has high end talent at the skill positions (though only middling ant RB) and weakness on the Oline.
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Post by dougpaschal on Sept 29, 2023 9:01:08 GMT -6
2). Inability to successfully run the ball at the goal line (OL gets demolished) That’s happened a few times but this happened, too. More than once
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Post by VikeNation101 on Oct 9, 2023 13:33:56 GMT -6
Honestly this is helpful for any QB. Everyone says we have to move on because Cousins isn't mobile..... He's 1st or 2nd in every statistical category and is playing like a top 5 QB right now in spite of a bad O-Line and limited mobility. We are not losing because of Kirk right now. In fact the only reason we've been in any of these games is because of him. The Defense is sieve, the OL is giving free shots at the QB, the Running Game has been mostly non existent, KOC has been awful in the RedZone in play design and play calling and our skill players can't hold on to the damn ball. NONE of the that has to do with Cousins. Cousins has 3 fumbles and 2 interceptions right now. All 3 fumbles were caused by the OL, one interception was because Hoch muffed a difficult but perfectly thrown ball and the other interception is half on Kirk and half on Ingram. He rushed the pass to get it off before getting hit and was inaccurate as a result. Hell....let's put that on him 100% its still a 9-1 TD to Int that is actually on him. That's on pace for 48 TD's, and his numbers would be higher yet if JJ doesn't fumble the ball out of the end zone, Hoch catches the ball against the chargers, KOC comes up with any type of play call inside the 10. I mean realistically he could easily be sitting on 13-14TD's right now! My point is despite being behind an awful OL and not being the most mobile QB, he's still playing as well as anyone in the league right now. He couldn't do that the first few years he was here, but the last 2 1/2 years dude had been ballin as well as anyone. He may looked like he's ready to have a panic attack (and if I played behind this line and got hit as often as he does I would too), but dude has been clutch! Regardless of whether you think it is his fault or KOC's fault on the last play of the game....He was making great throws on critical downs late in that Chargers game to get us in that spot. And that throw he made to Hochenson that ended the game, could not have been thrown more perfectly by any QB. It was textbook placement of where it needed to be thrown....away from the defender, into the window and waist high so that only Hoch could catch it....accept he not only muffed the catch he also knocked it up in the air! I get he is going to be 36 next year but right now the he's like a fine wine....getting better with age. When great QB'ing is soooo hard to come by, it is just almost unforgivable to let a guy go that is playing this well go without a known and groomed commodity ready to replace him. To me you either re-sign the guy for 2 more years and draft the replacement to sit and learn or you trade Cousins before the deadline....you just have to! I just do not in anyway understand how anyone can justify letting him walk at the end of the season for squat. QB's are so hard to come by, to let a guy that is playing at a top 5 level behind a shit show of an OL walk for no compensation should result in an instant firing! And to top it all off, the guy is a great dude who loves being a Viking! I agree with you. KC is having a very good season, just wish he wasn’t getting hammered so much back there. This teams has a lot of holes to fill and we’re not competing for a SB anytime soon. KC is getting older, he can’t be our qb forever, we need to plan for the future and at 1-4, this would be a good time to do that. JMO
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