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Post by redbird87 on Sept 26, 2023 16:34:27 GMT -6
The team is 0-3, could be 2-1, could easily be 3-0, but 0-3 it is and now everyone is in a tiz. I said before the season the defense would be more aggressive but not necessarily better just because Flores came to town. I said talent on the Defense is low and we would struggle to stop the run because we are too small upfront and our LB's are small as well. The key would be getting out to big leads and forcing teams to become one dimensional. I said offensively I think we have the weapons to be explosive, I thought Kirk was set to have a monster year in the 2nd year in the same offense but ultimately we did nothing to help our OL and we would win games but struggle to beat good teams and teams with dominant defensive fronts. I said Kwesi sucked, his drafts sucked, his roster construction sucked and that any real talent on the team is almost exclusively belongs to Rick's tenure (that wasn't an endorsement of Rick, just pointing out that Hochenson and maybe now Addison) are the only real talents Kwesi has contributed to. I had hopes for Murphy and Davenport if he could stay healthy but Davenport hasn't stayed healthy and Murphy is exactly what I expected.....a good corner but not a shutdown corner as evidenced by the 200 yards he gave up on Sunday to Allen. and last I said KOC needed to get better with his play calling and game flow. And I said I thought Kwesi screwed us by pushing so much money into future years. So, while I'm not ecstatic at the 0-3 start, I'm also not shocked. Here is how I see it: KOC: No head coach is the best coach they can be when they first become a head coach. It's a learning experience and what I see from him is a guy that is learning from his mistakes for the most part and that is a good thing. He's smart, he isn't by the book, isn't afraid to take risks, he isn't afraid to put teams away and be unconventional like Zimmer was and while he's certainly cost us some games....overall I've seen little to think he can't become a very good coach and I see a lot of positives in things he's getting right. But his play calling is still very suspect, not because of his decision in the last game or even any particular play, it's that he has a tendency to kill drives that have momentum, he gets too cute in the Red Zone and he often struggles to adapt when defenses exploit us like what happened in the TB game. He's officially called 1 season and 3 games in his career, so I think it is too soon to call him a dud, because when he's hot, he's on fire like the first half of the TB game....it's not like he sucks all the time like Nagy did in Chicago. Defense: I like that Flores is aggressive, but he's extremely limited by a lack of real talent to work with. You have Hunter and Bynum playing at elite levels. You have Metellus, Phillips and maybe Murphy playing at above average levels and the rest of the D is average to below average. When 6 of your 11 starters are average to below average there is only so much any DC can do. Kwesi: I think he is a problem. Unlike KOC, I don't see a vision, I don't see great drafting, I don't see great value abstraction, I don't see great cap management....to quote Sergeant Schultz " I see nothing!" Cousins: People on here once again can't wait to get rid of him and are drooling to draft a QB. I said in another thread everyone is a grass is greener fan. Everyone wants a young QB that can be the franchise guy even though 90% of all QB picks wind up being somewhere between Marcus Mariota and Zac Wilson. But let's say we do get a Justin Herbert (since he's a guy we all just saw beat us). I'd say almost everyone on this board that hates Kirk would LOVE if we had drafted Herbert. So let's take a quick look.
| Yards | TD's | Int's | Passer Rating | Wins | Kirk 2021 | 4221 | 33 | 7 | 103 | 21 | Herbert 2021 | 5014 | 38 | 15 | 97 | 20 |
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| Kirk 2022 | 4547 | 29 | 14 | 92 |
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| Kirk 2023 | 1075 | 9 | 2 | 108 |
| Herbert 2023 | 939 | 6 | 0 | 112 |
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Statistically they are the same player the last 3 years. Kirk led the league in come back wins in 2022 but is a goat because despite playing amazing in the NFC championship game had to unload the ball on a piss poor play call as he was about to be sacked and chose a pass he knew he could complete to give his TE a chance to break a tackle vs. throwing a hail marry into double coverage to Jefferson with a slim chance of being caught and a ball that may not have even gotten there as it would have taken longer to throw. Meanwhile Herbert is in charge of a team that gave up an enormous lead to the Jags in final game of season that was a must win to make the playoffs. Kirk is a goat and Herbert is the guy we all aspire to have. It's actually kind of sad...particularly when you take into account that Herbert by and large has played on teams with better rosters. Kirk is 35 going to be 36, he's playing he best ball of his career but it doesn't change the fact he is going to be getting older and all QB's start to decline at some point. I still think we'd be better to resign him for 2 years (he is not the problem), but if the plan is to move on I can live with that but he should be traded if we lose many more games early because I don't see this team going anywhere in the playoffs and we are setting up any new QB for failure unless we can obtain a lot more draft picks. He would warrants some very good draft capital and it would be stupid to let him walk for nothing. Jefferson - He's the real deal, but I don't think he's coming back if we let Kirk walk. If we trade Kirk, Hunter, Harry, Wonnam and the rest of the talent that isn't in the future plans maybe they get enough draft comp to make it interesting for Justin, but Jefferson wants to win more than he wants to get paid and Kwesi has put us in a spot where that is very unlikely in 24 and maybe even 25. It's why I thought the Hochenson signing was stupid! Outside of Addison this team is so void of real talent from the last 2 drafts the team has more holes than it can plug. If we need to use a lot of draft capital to get a QB without trading away players there won't be any draft capital to fill other voids and because Kwesi pushed so much cap into 24-25 we won't have the money to go sign great pieces in FA either and there are a lot of holes to fill. New QB: The problem I see is that we are setting up any new QB to fail miserably. If you look around the league historically in the modern Sal Cap era ....there is one common trait successful QB's have shared. They went to teams that were already good or had at least talented rosters where they didn't have to shoulder the load all by themselves. You could argue Burrow and Laurence are maybe the exceptions (and I'm not sold on Laurence yet anyway). Mahomes went to a team that was already very talented. Brady went to a team that was already talented. Lamar went to a talented Ravens team, Russ Wilson went to a team that was talented. Dak went to a team that was already talented. Zac Wilson, Trubisky, Darnald, Mariota they went to shit teams. Any new QB we have is going to have very little talent on Defense, an entire interior offensive line that needs to be replaced and a GM saddled with few picks and little cap room in 24 and likely few high draft picks in 25 if we use them to trade up for a Caleb Williams type. If Kwesi's plan was to move on from Kirk then this team should have been making moves the last 2 years to build for that move. They should have been focusing their drafts and FA on building a great OL and acquiring dominant defensive positions to take pressure off of any young QB ....not Safeties and TE's. And while talented WR's are a fantastic weapon to have (and I very much like Addison) ...if you can't keep your QB upright it doesn't matter. So in short, this team is exactly who I thought they'd be. A team that can win any game, but isn't dominant enough at the key areas to win every game. It's a team that could still win the division, but would need a lot of luck to do so and a few of the balls that seem to always bound the other teams way right now will likely have to start bouncing ours. But it is a team that if we lose 2 of the next 3 should be looking to trade players like Cousins, Hunter and others ahead of the Oct deadline if they want any chance at being good 2 years from now. This team was 100% positioned well to execute a competitive rebuild but is now no longer in that spot due to poor GM moves. This isn't a pessimistic view...it's a realistic view. Keep the coach, can the GM before the real rebuild starts.
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Post by drhoades on Sept 26, 2023 16:42:57 GMT -6
The get rid of JJ and Kirk talk is the same as it always has been. Outright foolishness. Draft o-line and d-line and nothing but except for a flyer on another QB in the third. Plenty of cap to sign linemen. Thats the route you go. Cousins is NOT prohibiting the team from adding quality free agents, the draft always has and always will be a crap shoot. We have enough pieces to win if we can fix the damn line play.
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Post by Vikeroo on Sept 26, 2023 16:50:39 GMT -6
The team is 0-3, could be 2-1, could easily be 3-0, but 0-3 it is and now everyone is in a tiz. I said before the season the defense would be more aggressive but not necessarily better just because Flores came to town. I said talent on the Defense is low and we would struggle to stop the run because we are too small upfront and our LB's are small as well. The key would be getting out to big leads and forcing teams to become one dimensional. I said offensively I think we have the weapons to be explosive, I thought Kirk was set to have a monster year in the 2nd year in the same offense but ultimately we did nothing to help our OL and we would win games but struggle to beat good teams and teams with dominant defensive fronts. I said Kwesi sucked, his drafts sucked, his roster construction sucked and that any real talent on the team is almost exclusively belongs to Rick's tenure (that wasn't an endorsement of Rick, just pointing out that Hochenson and maybe now Addison) are the only real talents Kwesi has contributed to. I had hopes for Murphy and Davenport if he could stay healthy but Davenport hasn't stayed healthy and Murphy is exactly what I expected.....a good corner but not a shutdown corner as evidenced by the 200 yards he gave up on Sunday to Allen. and last I said KOC needed to get better with his play calling and game flow. And I said I thought Kwesi screwed us by pushing so much money into future years. So, while I'm not ecstatic at the 0-3 start, I'm also not shocked. Here is how I see it: KOC: No head coach is the best coach they can be when they first become a head coach. It's a learning experience and what I see from him is a guy that is learning from his mistakes for the most part and that is a good thing. He's smart, he isn't by the book, isn't afraid to take risks, he isn't afraid to put teams away and be unconventional like Zimmer was and while he's certainly cost us some games....overall I've seen little to think he can't become a very good coach and I see a lot of positives in things he's getting right. But his play calling is still very suspect, not because of his decision in the last game or even any particular play, it's that he has a tendency to kill drives that have momentum, he gets too cute in the Red Zone and he often struggles to adapt when defenses exploit us like what happened in the TB game. He's officially called 1 season and 3 games in his career, so I think it is too soon to call him a dud, because when he's hot, he's on fire like the first half of the TB game....it's not like he sucks all the time like Nagy did in Chicago. Defense: I like that Flores is aggressive, but he's extremely limited by a lack of real talent to work with. You have Hunter and Bynum playing at elite levels. You have Metellus, Phillips and maybe Murphy playing at above average levels and the rest of the D is average to below average. When 6 of your 11 starters are average to below average there is only so much any DC can do. Kwesi: I think he is a problem. Unlike KOC, I don't see a vision, I don't see great drafting, I don't see great value abstraction, I don't see great cap management....to quote Sergeant Schultz " I see nothing!" Cousins: People on here once again can't wait to get rid of him and are drooling to draft a QB. I said in another thread everyone is a grass is greener fan. Everyone wants a young QB that can be the franchise guy even though 90% of all QB picks wind up being somewhere between Marcus Mariota and Zac Wilson. But let's say we do get a Justin Herbert (since he's a guy we all just saw beat us). I'd say almost everyone on this board that hates Kirk would LOVE if we had drafted Herbert. So let's take a quick look.
| Yards | TD's | Int's | Passer Rating | Wins | Kirk 2021 | 4221 | 33 | 7 | 103 | 21 | Herbert 2021 | 5014 | 38 | 15 | 97 | 20 |
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| Herbert 2022 | 4739 | 25 | 10 | 93 |
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| Kirk 2023 | 1075 | 9 | 2 | 108 |
| Herbert 2023 | 939 | 6 | 0 | 112 |
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Statistically they are the same player the last 3 years. Kirk led the league in come back wins in 2022 but is a goat because despite playing amazing in the NFC championship game had to unload the ball on a piss poor play call as he was about to be sacked and chose a pass he knew he could complete to give his TE a chance to break a tackle vs. throwing a hail marry into double coverage to Jefferson with a slim chance of being caught and a ball that may not have even gotten there as it would have taken longer to throw. Meanwhile Herbert is in charge of a team that gave up an enormous lead to the Jags in final game of season that was a must win to make the playoffs. Kirk is a goat and Herbert is the guy we all aspire to have. It's actually kind of sad...particularly when you take into account that Herbert by and large has played on teams with better rosters. Kirk is 35 going to be 36, he's playing he best ball of his career but it doesn't change the fact he is going to be getting older and all QB's start to decline at some point. I still think we'd be better to resign him for 2 years (he is not the problem), but if the plan is to move on I can live with that but he should be traded if we lose many more games early because I don't see this team going anywhere in the playoffs and we are setting up any new QB for failure unless we can obtain a lot more draft picks. He would warrants some very good draft capital and it would be stupid to let him walk for nothing. Jefferson - He's the real deal, but I don't think he's coming back if we let Kirk walk. If we trade Kirk, Hunter, Harry, Wonnam and the rest of the talent that isn't in the future plans maybe they get enough draft comp to make it interesting for Justin, but Jefferson wants to win more than he wants to get paid and Kwesi has put us in a spot where that is very unlikely in 24 and maybe even 25. It's why I thought the Hochenson signing was stupid! Outside of Addison this team is so void of real talent from the last 2 drafts the team has more holes than it can plug. If we need to use a lot of draft capital to get a QB without trading away players there won't be any draft capital to fill other voids and because Kwesi pushed so much cap into 24-25 we won't have the money to go sign great pieces in FA either and there are a lot of holes to fill. New QB: The problem I see is that we are setting up any new QB to fail miserably. If you look around the league historically in the modern Sal Cap era ....there is one common trait successful QB's have shared. They went to teams that were already good or had at least talented rosters where they didn't have to shoulder the load all by themselves. You could argue Burrow and Laurence are maybe the exceptions (and I'm not sold on Laurence yet anyway). Mahomes went to a team that was already very talented. Brady went to a team that was already talented. Lamar went to a talented Ravens team, Russ Wilson went to a team that was talented. Dak went to a team that was already talented. Zac Wilson, Trubisky, Darnald, Mariota they went to shit teams. Any new QB we have is going to have very little talent on Defense, an entire interior offensive line that needs to be replaced and a GM saddled with few picks and little cap room in 24 and likely few high draft picks in 25 if we use them to trade up for a Caleb Williams type. If Kwesi's plan was to move on from Kirk then this team should have been making moves the last 2 years to build for that move. They should have been focusing their drafts and FA on building a great OL and acquiring dominant defensive positions to take pressure off of any young QB ....not Safeties and TE's. And while talented WR's are a fantastic weapon to have (and I very much like Addison) ...if you can't keep your QB upright it doesn't matter. So in short, this team is exactly who I thought they'd be. A team that can win any game, but isn't dominant enough at the key areas to win every game. It's a team that could still win the division, but would need a lot of luck to do so and a few of the balls that seem to always bound the other teams way right now will likely have to start bouncing ours. But it is a team that if we lose 2 of the next 3 should be looking to trade players like Cousins, Hunter and others ahead of the Oct deadline if they want any chance at being good 2 years from now. This team was 100% positioned well to execute a competitive rebuild but is now no longer in that spot due to poor GM moves. This isn't a pessimistic view...it's a realistic view. Keep the coach, can the GM before the real rebuild starts. You realize Herbert is 10 years younger and can do things Kirk can't do, right? Chargers were trash when he got drafted there with only known quantity being Keenan Allen & Bosa. Their OL was garbage Herberts first 2 years. Remeber when you compare stats last year Herbert played half the season with fractured ribs.
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Post by budgrant1 on Sept 26, 2023 17:02:07 GMT -6
Wouldn't feel good about this team if they were 3-0 instead of 0-3...Too many holes to fill ... would be a smoke and mirrors show like last year
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Post by taz24 on Sept 26, 2023 17:31:54 GMT -6
sorry Red. You are not Herman Melvillle
Simply too long. Please provide a Classic Comics condensed version.
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Post by jeffsiemon on Sept 26, 2023 17:43:36 GMT -6
They had 3 extra days to prepare, at home. Chargers back to back road games.
Only 4 teams have zero wins, Vikings are one of them.
KAM has to go and take Grigson with him. Kirk is good but age and salary don’t fit stage of franchise. Time to rebuild with new GM at end of year.
JJ depends on $.
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Post by marshalltohof on Sept 26, 2023 17:48:43 GMT -6
I'm mostly just down because of coaching decisions so far this year. Went to the Bucs game, team looked rusty. Why? Pretty much no starters played in preseason and first game was sloppy. That game counted as much as the rest and the team wasn't ready. NFL reduced preseason to three games to lower injury potential. Coaches should appreciate that and quit babying these multimillionaires.
Secondly, failure to spike the ball to save time in Chargers game. That concept should have been learned the first day of coaching school, and not just at the NFL level. Likely cost the Vikings that game.
Vikings probably lose to Eagles regardless but should be 2 and 1 at this point with the blame directly on the head coach.
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Post by budgrant1 on Sept 26, 2023 17:55:56 GMT -6
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Post by frantheman10 on Sept 26, 2023 18:23:47 GMT -6
I’m suing this guy for plagiarism. He took all my posts from the last two seasons and turned them into a video.
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Post by lunas on Sept 26, 2023 22:27:22 GMT -6
For this team to win a SB, the formula is simple.
1. Keep KC and build a pro bowl roster around him like the Eagles did with Hurts and the 49ers are doing with Purdy.
2. Tank and get Caleb Williams on a rookie scale contract and build a pro bowl roster faster because of more cap space and higher draft picks.
Both scenarios require a GM that can hit big in free agency and the draft.
Therein lies the problem. This team cannot go anywhere as long as KAM is the GM. As long as he is here, we are just rats in a cage running on a wheel going nowhere.
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Post by franklin99 on Sept 26, 2023 22:44:57 GMT -6
a 36 year-old QB who has not received an extension this late? Is suddenly going to be kept? With a wealth of very good QBs in the next draft?
Can't imagine those odds are that great.
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Post by redbird87 on Sept 26, 2023 23:40:01 GMT -6
The team is 0-3, could be 2-1, could easily be 3-0, but 0-3 it is and now everyone is in a tiz. I said before the season the defense would be more aggressive but not necessarily better just because Flores came to town. I said talent on the Defense is low and we would struggle to stop the run because we are too small upfront and our LB's are small as well. The key would be getting out to big leads and forcing teams to become one dimensional. I said offensively I think we have the weapons to be explosive, I thought Kirk was set to have a monster year in the 2nd year in the same offense but ultimately we did nothing to help our OL and we would win games but struggle to beat good teams and teams with dominant defensive fronts. I said Kwesi sucked, his drafts sucked, his roster construction sucked and that any real talent on the team is almost exclusively belongs to Rick's tenure (that wasn't an endorsement of Rick, just pointing out that Hochenson and maybe now Addison) are the only real talents Kwesi has contributed to. I had hopes for Murphy and Davenport if he could stay healthy but Davenport hasn't stayed healthy and Murphy is exactly what I expected.....a good corner but not a shutdown corner as evidenced by the 200 yards he gave up on Sunday to Allen. and last I said KOC needed to get better with his play calling and game flow. And I said I thought Kwesi screwed us by pushing so much money into future years. So, while I'm not ecstatic at the 0-3 start, I'm also not shocked. Here is how I see it: KOC: No head coach is the best coach they can be when they first become a head coach. It's a learning experience and what I see from him is a guy that is learning from his mistakes for the most part and that is a good thing. He's smart, he isn't by the book, isn't afraid to take risks, he isn't afraid to put teams away and be unconventional like Zimmer was and while he's certainly cost us some games....overall I've seen little to think he can't become a very good coach and I see a lot of positives in things he's getting right. But his play calling is still very suspect, not because of his decision in the last game or even any particular play, it's that he has a tendency to kill drives that have momentum, he gets too cute in the Red Zone and he often struggles to adapt when defenses exploit us like what happened in the TB game. He's officially called 1 season and 3 games in his career, so I think it is too soon to call him a dud, because when he's hot, he's on fire like the first half of the TB game....it's not like he sucks all the time like Nagy did in Chicago. Defense: I like that Flores is aggressive, but he's extremely limited by a lack of real talent to work with. You have Hunter and Bynum playing at elite levels. You have Metellus, Phillips and maybe Murphy playing at above average levels and the rest of the D is average to below average. When 6 of your 11 starters are average to below average there is only so much any DC can do. Kwesi: I think he is a problem. Unlike KOC, I don't see a vision, I don't see great drafting, I don't see great value abstraction, I don't see great cap management....to quote Sergeant Schultz " I see nothing!" Cousins: People on here once again can't wait to get rid of him and are drooling to draft a QB. I said in another thread everyone is a grass is greener fan. Everyone wants a young QB that can be the franchise guy even though 90% of all QB picks wind up being somewhere between Marcus Mariota and Zac Wilson. But let's say we do get a Justin Herbert (since he's a guy we all just saw beat us). I'd say almost everyone on this board that hates Kirk would LOVE if we had drafted Herbert. So let's take a quick look.
| Yards | TD's | Int's | Passer Rating | Wins | Kirk 2021 | 4221 | 33 | 7 | 103 | 21 | Herbert 2021 | 5014 | 38 | 15 | 97 | 20 |
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| Kirk 2022 | 4547 | 29 | 14 | 92 |
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| Kirk 2023 | 1075 | 9 | 2 | 108 |
| Herbert 2023 | 939 | 6 | 0 | 112 |
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Statistically they are the same player the last 3 years. Kirk led the league in come back wins in 2022 but is a goat because despite playing amazing in the NFC championship game had to unload the ball on a piss poor play call as he was about to be sacked and chose a pass he knew he could complete to give his TE a chance to break a tackle vs. throwing a hail marry into double coverage to Jefferson with a slim chance of being caught and a ball that may not have even gotten there as it would have taken longer to throw. Meanwhile Herbert is in charge of a team that gave up an enormous lead to the Jags in final game of season that was a must win to make the playoffs. Kirk is a goat and Herbert is the guy we all aspire to have. It's actually kind of sad...particularly when you take into account that Herbert by and large has played on teams with better rosters. Kirk is 35 going to be 36, he's playing he best ball of his career but it doesn't change the fact he is going to be getting older and all QB's start to decline at some point. I still think we'd be better to resign him for 2 years (he is not the problem), but if the plan is to move on I can live with that but he should be traded if we lose many more games early because I don't see this team going anywhere in the playoffs and we are setting up any new QB for failure unless we can obtain a lot more draft picks. He would warrants some very good draft capital and it would be stupid to let him walk for nothing. Jefferson - He's the real deal, but I don't think he's coming back if we let Kirk walk. If we trade Kirk, Hunter, Harry, Wonnam and the rest of the talent that isn't in the future plans maybe they get enough draft comp to make it interesting for Justin, but Jefferson wants to win more than he wants to get paid and Kwesi has put us in a spot where that is very unlikely in 24 and maybe even 25. It's why I thought the Hochenson signing was stupid! Outside of Addison this team is so void of real talent from the last 2 drafts the team has more holes than it can plug. If we need to use a lot of draft capital to get a QB without trading away players there won't be any draft capital to fill other voids and because Kwesi pushed so much cap into 24-25 we won't have the money to go sign great pieces in FA either and there are a lot of holes to fill. New QB: The problem I see is that we are setting up any new QB to fail miserably. If you look around the league historically in the modern Sal Cap era ....there is one common trait successful QB's have shared. They went to teams that were already good or had at least talented rosters where they didn't have to shoulder the load all by themselves. You could argue Burrow and Laurence are maybe the exceptions (and I'm not sold on Laurence yet anyway). Mahomes went to a team that was already very talented. Brady went to a team that was already talented. Lamar went to a talented Ravens team, Russ Wilson went to a team that was talented. Dak went to a team that was already talented. Zac Wilson, Trubisky, Darnald, Mariota they went to shit teams. Any new QB we have is going to have very little talent on Defense, an entire interior offensive line that needs to be replaced and a GM saddled with few picks and little cap room in 24 and likely few high draft picks in 25 if we use them to trade up for a Caleb Williams type. If Kwesi's plan was to move on from Kirk then this team should have been making moves the last 2 years to build for that move. They should have been focusing their drafts and FA on building a great OL and acquiring dominant defensive positions to take pressure off of any young QB ....not Safeties and TE's. And while talented WR's are a fantastic weapon to have (and I very much like Addison) ...if you can't keep your QB upright it doesn't matter. So in short, this team is exactly who I thought they'd be. A team that can win any game, but isn't dominant enough at the key areas to win every game. It's a team that could still win the division, but would need a lot of luck to do so and a few of the balls that seem to always bound the other teams way right now will likely have to start bouncing ours. But it is a team that if we lose 2 of the next 3 should be looking to trade players like Cousins, Hunter and others ahead of the Oct deadline if they want any chance at being good 2 years from now. This team was 100% positioned well to execute a competitive rebuild but is now no longer in that spot due to poor GM moves. This isn't a pessimistic view...it's a realistic view. Keep the coach, can the GM before the real rebuild starts. You realize Herbert is 10 years younger and can do things Kirk can't do, right? Chargers were trash when he got drafted there with only known quantity being Keenan Allen & Bosa. Their OL was garbage Herberts first 2 years. Remeber when you compare stats last year Herbert played half the season with fractured ribs. Sure he can do things Kirk can’t do, and Kirk can do things he can’t as well. Bottom line is Herbert with “all the things he can do” hasn’t accomplished any more than Kirk. I didn’t say he went to a talented team when he was drafted which is why si didn’t include his rookie year. But since his 2nd year in the league he’s played on teams with very strong rosters. And all the talk about great QB’s leading their teams and winning in clutch time… he hasn’t done that either. Hell… he should have lost to us on Sunday! Please don’t get me wrong…I think Herbert is an exceptional QB talent. My point is we also have an exceptional QB talent few on this board appreciate. Everyone wants to dog Cousins for anything that goes wrong, but his coaching and supporting cast hadn’t exactly been stellar the last 3 years. People make ARod into the 2nd coming as Mr. Clutch and yet he’s rarely if ever won a game his team was trailing going into the 4th Q. And despite getting more calls than anyone in the league during his tenure has only made it to 1 SB. Where’s all this “great QB’s” take over BS come from…. because it is BS outside of Brady and Mahomes the last 30 years. QB’s have more control than any other position on a team and it’s hard to win without a good one…. But the reality is no matter how good the QB is, the coaching still has to be good, the defense still has to be able to hold leads and or get stops when trailing, and OL and Receivers/RB’s still have to do their jobs and hang onto the ball in order to win. Once in a blue moon you get a zmahomrs or Brady that appear to be able to “Will” their teams to victory. But the truth is a) that confidence partly comes from expecting to win because it’s what they’ve known over and over and B) you still have to have a great coach that puts them in that position to do that. Bill and Andy are 2 of the best coaches the game has had the past 30 years! Most QB’s don’t get that luxury. And last, I’m pretty sure Cousins played the 2nd half of the season in just as much pain as Herbert!
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Post by ponifan on Sept 26, 2023 23:50:01 GMT -6
For this team to win a SB, the formula is simple. 1. Keep KC and build a pro bowl roster around him like the Eagles did with Hurts and the 49ers are doing with Purdy. 2. Tank and get Caleb Williams on a rookie scale contract and build a pro bowl roster faster because of more cap space and higher draft picks. Both scenarios require a GM that can hit big in free agency and the draft. Therein lies the problem. This team cannot go anywhere as long as KAM is the GM. As long as he is here, we are just rats in a cage running on a wheel going nowhere.
I vote option #2.
We really are running out of time to rebuild this thing with KC. I don't think it can be done. This season has proven so far that we are not close to building an elite level roster. To be honest, I thought at the close of last season, we were a lot closer. I was wrong.
I also agree that Kwesi probably has to go. He did do better in this year's draft than last year's. A little better, but his lack of football knowledge is hurting the franchise.
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Post by jeffsiemon on Sept 27, 2023 5:44:02 GMT -6
For this team to win a SB, the formula is simple. 1. Keep KC and build a pro bowl roster around him like the Eagles did with Hurts and the 49ers are doing with Purdy. 2. Tank and get Caleb Williams on a rookie scale contract and build a pro bowl roster faster because of more cap space and higher draft picks. Both scenarios require a GM that can hit big in free agency and the draft. Therein lies the problem. This team cannot go anywhere as long as KAM is the GM. As long as he is here, we are just rats in a cage running on a wheel going nowhere.
I vote option #2.
We really are running out of time to rebuild this thing with KC. I don't think it can be done. This season has proven so far that we are not close to building an elite level roster. To be honest, I thought at the close of last season, we were a lot closer. I was wrong.
I also agree that Kwesi probably has to go. He did do better in this year's draft than last year's. A little better, but his lack of football knowledge is hurting the franchise.
Can’t assume Caleb. You have to have first pick and nobody is trading it.
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Post by lunas on Sept 27, 2023 8:01:35 GMT -6
I vote option #2.
We really are running out of time to rebuild this thing with KC. I don't think it can be done. This season has proven so far that we are not close to building an elite level roster. To be honest, I thought at the close of last season, we were a lot closer. I was wrong.
I also agree that Kwesi probably has to go. He did do better in this year's draft than last year's. A little better, but his lack of football knowledge is hurting the franchise.
Can’t assume Caleb. You have to have first pick and nobody is trading it. in that scenario, Cousins needs to be traded. Without him, we almost assuredly will land the top pick.
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