JR44
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Post by JR44 on Mar 27, 2023 17:04:29 GMT -6
I think what killed Daunte's career besides the injury was the Moss trade. Moss made Culpepper a lot better than he was. Thats NO lie.... Actually it is.........Culpepper's best season in which he would have could have easily been given the MVP over Manning had him throwing for 4,700 yards with a 69% completion percentage and 39 TDs was without major contributions from Moss who missed games and played hurt much of the year and was also after Carter had retired. Of the 4,700 yards 700 went to Moss. The leading receiver in receptions was Jermaine Wiggins followed by Burleson. Before the injury Culpepper was a freak who had one of the best deep balls ever in the NFL. When you look at all the highlights of Moss the ball is usually being perfectly placed, ask yourself how many QBs in the history of the NFL would have been able to hit him in stride like that. Moss doesn't have the rookie year he had without Culpepper and his career doesn't get launched into super stardom without him.
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Post by bjdjfr on Mar 27, 2023 17:12:12 GMT -6
The radio and tv commentators like to jump on this "he is his own agent" and problems with it. Do they put any proof out there? No it's just talking heads who have no idea what is being said during the negotiations. I have no problem if he wants to be his own agent-why does it bother others and make him "dumb"? There was a time period before the start of the new year where an agent could contact other teams but players could not. Since he is both an agent and player he could not contact other teams. Other QBs were being signed in this period removing several teams from signing him. So he put him behind several other QBs looking for teams. Now the number of teams looking for a QB and willing give up two 1st round picks is very low. He is now looking for Baltimore to trade him where the team may get less than two 1st round picks. Even if he had an agent up front, do you really think any team out there is going to give up 2 #1 draft picks and pay him that much money for a q.b. that has been injured last 2 years ? Plus the way this is going, he would more than likely be a free agent next year.
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Post by liquidviking on Mar 27, 2023 17:26:30 GMT -6
Wasn't that Cunningham and Brad Johnson tossing the rock to moss his rookie year?
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Post by budgrant1 on Mar 27, 2023 18:28:17 GMT -6
Actually it is.........Culpepper's best season in which he would have could have easily been given the MVP over Manning had him throwing for 4,700 yards with a 69% completion percentage and 39 TDs was without major contributions from Moss who missed games and played hurt much of the year and was also after Carter had retired. Of the 4,700 yards 700 went to Moss. The leading receiver in receptions was Jermaine Wiggins followed by Burleson. Before the injury Culpepper was a freak who had one of the best deep balls ever in the NFL. When you look at all the highlights of Moss the ball is usually being perfectly placed, ask yourself how many QBs in the history of the NFL would have been able to hit him in stride like that. Moss doesn't have the rookie year he had without Culpepper and his career doesn't get launched into super stardom without him. I remember Cpepp at the QB challenge he could not hit the broad side of a fat womans azz. Moss Carter no doubt made him better then he was of course they could make anyone better ...
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Post by wisent on Mar 27, 2023 18:56:33 GMT -6
Wasn't that Cunningham and Brad Johnson tossing the rock to moss his rookie year? Yes, Culpepper was drafted in 1999 and didn't play until 2000. Cunningham was the Vikings starting QB most of the 1998 season (14 games).
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Post by tavike on Mar 27, 2023 20:35:52 GMT -6
The radio and tv commentators like to jump on this "he is his own agent" and problems with it. Do they put any proof out there? No it's just talking heads who have no idea what is being said during the negotiations. I have no problem if he wants to be his own agent-why does it bother others and make him "dumb"? Did some one say it made him dumb? I think he just uniformed. Usually an agent has an agency with many people working to get information manipulate numbers and try to make you more money, because if they make you more money, they get more money. Most of them have marketing and economic degrees and tons of experience. They know how to play the game. I think Lamar is in way over his head and is getting bad advice from family members.
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Post by tavike on Mar 27, 2023 20:37:50 GMT -6
Actually it is.........Culpepper's best season in which he would have could have easily been given the MVP over Manning had him throwing for 4,700 yards with a 69% completion percentage and 39 TDs was without major contributions from Moss who missed games and played hurt much of the year and was also after Carter had retired. Of the 4,700 yards 700 went to Moss. The leading receiver in receptions was Jermaine Wiggins followed by Burleson. Before the injury Culpepper was a freak who had one of the best deep balls ever in the NFL. When you look at all the highlights of Moss the ball is usually being perfectly placed, ask yourself how many QBs in the history of the NFL would have been able to hit him in stride like that. Moss doesn't have the rookie year he had without Culpepper and his career doesn't get launched into super stardom without him. Moss's rookie year was with Cunningham at QB after he took over for Brad Johnson and Moss's second year was Jeff George after he took over for Cunningham. Also in that 2004 year, Moss did play in 13 games. He did catch 13 TD's although he was playing injured and I would venture to say opened up the field to make life a ton easier for Duante. Before he was injured 2005 Culpepper was having a Dismal season without Moss. I'm not saying Culpepper wasn't talented. He was very talented, but Moss made him look better than he was
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Post by skolvike on Mar 27, 2023 21:43:22 GMT -6
I think what killed Daunte's career besides the injury was the Moss trade. Moss made Culpepper a lot better than he was. Thats NO lie.... Hmmmm. And last year Cousins had "the best year of his career?" Just saying....but then there's the specter of a "JJ" demanding a lot of comparison to Daunte and Moss.... Makes you wonder if that had any bearing on the Vikings refusing CK's "reduced" offer, doesn't it?
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Post by autobon7 on Mar 28, 2023 5:38:04 GMT -6
[quote author=" JR44" Β Moss doesn't have the rookie year he had without Culpepper and his career doesn't get launched into super stardom without him. Β [/quote] But.......Culpepper was NOT the qb for Mosses rookie year. Momma's wrong again
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Post by mjollnir on Mar 28, 2023 8:29:38 GMT -6
Actually it is.........Culpepper's best season in which he would have could have easily been given the MVP over Manning had him throwing for 4,700 yards with a 69% completion percentage and 39 TDs was without major contributions from Moss who missed games and played hurt much of the year and was also after Carter had retired. Of the 4,700 yards 700 went to Moss. The leading receiver in receptions was Jermaine Wiggins followed by Burleson. Before the injury Culpepper was a freak who had one of the best deep balls ever in the NFL. When you look at all the highlights of Moss the ball is usually being perfectly placed, ask yourself how many QBs in the history of the NFL would have been able to hit him in stride like that. Moss doesn't have the rookie year he had without Culpepper and his career doesn't get launched into super stardom without him. Moss had Cunningham his Rookie Year and a myriad of QB's after that (20 in 14 years). Daunte's best year.. 2004 had Randy hurt and guys like Nate Burleson, Jermaine Wiggins, Marcus Robinson. Daunte was a talent but could never get over the fumbles.
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Post by hornynick on Mar 28, 2023 16:36:23 GMT -6
Actually it is.........Culpepper's best season in which he would have could have easily been given the MVP over Manning had him throwing for 4,700 yards with a 69% completion percentage and 39 TDs was without major contributions from Moss who missed games and played hurt much of the year and was also after Carter had retired. Of the 4,700 yards 700 went to Moss. The leading receiver in receptions was Jermaine Wiggins followed by Burleson. Before the injury Culpepper was a freak who had one of the best deep balls ever in the NFL. When you look at all the highlights of Moss the ball is usually being perfectly placed, ask yourself how many QBs in the history of the NFL would have been able to hit him in stride like that. Moss doesn't have the rookie year he had without Culpepper and his career doesn't get launched into super stardom without him. Moss had Cunningham his Rookie Year and a myriad of QB's after that (20 in 14 years). Daunte's best year.. 2004 had Randy hurt and guys like Nate Burleson, Jermaine Wiggins, Marcus Robinson. Daunte was a talent but could never get over the fumbles. Dam small hands.
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Post by jaxvike on Mar 28, 2023 19:21:24 GMT -6
Cousins Cook Z and a first next year and a 3 this year
For Bateman Jackson
Clears cap space this year and gives us a platform to sign Jackson, Jefferson and Hockenson long term.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2023 19:46:55 GMT -6
Cousins Cook Z and a first next year and a 3 this year For Bateman Jackson Clears cap space this year and gives us a platform to sign Jackson, Jefferson and Hockenson long term. Leaving cap considerations aside, that seems like a terribly bad trade for the Vikings
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Post by Vikeroo on Mar 28, 2023 20:26:09 GMT -6
Cousins Cook Z and a first next year and a 3 this year For Bateman Jackson Clears cap space this year and gives us a platform to sign Jackson, Jefferson and Hockenson long term. Leaving cap considerations aside, that seems like a terribly bad trade for the Vikings Funny, I was thinking that would be cheap for the Vikings myself? Probably take 1st this year and 2nd next with conditions it could turn into a 1st. Ravens do not need Cook. I doubt Bateman would be part of a deal. Kirk would almost certainly end up in San Fran for a 2nd and a conditional 24' pick if it happened.
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Post by avguy on Mar 28, 2023 22:05:17 GMT -6
Cousins Cook Z and a first next year and a 3 this year For Bateman Jackson Clears cap space this year and gives us a platform to sign Jackson, Jefferson and Hockenson long term. It just feels like the KAM group is Not Ready for prime time QB contracts at all....see the Kirk turnaround. There was a formula that the QB had to be under 15% of Cap roster or your unbalanced team had no chance. That is going the way of the Dodo bird, and I expect a re-adjust to around 20% in the near future. Most every other position in the NFL has devalued due to the nature of Offensive rules. Edge guys and WR are the outliers. Used to be OTs but some teams convert G into them recking the no's. I like the player groups out/in of such a trade, but Jackson is likely too pricey for the Vikes current mode and they are going to prefer that rookie QB soon, killing this intriguing option.
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