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Mar 26, 2023 17:19:25 GMT -6
Post by tavike on Mar 26, 2023 17:19:25 GMT -6
To be fair, if you looked at the tape of Josh Allen coming out of college you wouldn't have wanted him either. So much depends on the coaching they get at the pro level, but I will say this. The single most important test score for a QB is the s2 cognition test, which scores the QB's ability to process information. It would be interesting to see what the top QB's in the NFL scored on that test in college. For instance I know that Payton Manning, Joe Montana , Drew Brees all scored Elite on the test coming out of college as did Brock Purdy. So if you want to take a chance a QB in the later rounds, it would best to go after the one who scored highest on that test. LastI checked Joe Montana tested poorly by every metric in every mental aspect of testing as did Marino. Honestly both those guys failed as broadcasters because they struggle to put a complete sentence together. Thing is both were unconscious natural football geniuses. Sometimes you get a guy who is not overly bright, but has a single narrow focus in the world. Montana scored very high on the cognitive test. I read an article about it in the late 80's early 90's, as I live in the Bay area, Don't know about Marino. The wonderlic and the s2 test cognitive test are totally different. The S2 cognitive test is not an IQ type test.
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Mar 26, 2023 17:26:59 GMT -6
Post by Vikeroo on Mar 26, 2023 17:26:59 GMT -6
Herbert though he was always marked a cerebral QB also. Also you seem to be missing out on mentioning all the other athletic QB's like Mahomes, Wilson, Murray, and ETC that have had some success. Osweiler and Levis are both pure pocket guys so not even sure why they are mentioned in this? Joe Burrow is more athletic then some mentioned here. I'm not talking about QBβS like Herbert or Burrow that everyone knew was going to be good. I'm talking about fringe prospects like Richardson and Levis that get pushed up to the first round because they can run fast or throw the ball 75 yards. Burrow was a 1 year wonder at LSU that could never win the job at OSU. Herbert was 5 star prep guy a lot of folks felt underperformed in college. Herbert and Locker are probably a good comp except Herbert has a huge arm and Locker never did, but both were expected to be top 10 future picks in the NFL when they left high school.
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Mar 26, 2023 17:30:13 GMT -6
Post by Vikeroo on Mar 26, 2023 17:30:13 GMT -6
LastI checked Joe Montana tested poorly by every metric in every mental aspect of testing as did Marino. Honestly both those guys failed as broadcasters because they struggle to put a complete sentence together. Thing is both were unconscious natural football geniuses. Sometimes you get a guy who is not overly bright, but has a single narrow focus in the world. Montana scored very high on the cognitive test. I read an article about it in the late 80's early 90's, as I live in the Bay area, Don't know about Marino. The wonderlic and the s2 test cognitive test are totally different. The S2 cognitive test is not an IQ type test. I guess what I am saying is Joe and Dan would have had trouble reading the questions on any test. That said both were as football savvy as you could ask for.
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Mar 26, 2023 17:47:33 GMT -6
Post by tavike on Mar 26, 2023 17:47:33 GMT -6
Montana scored very high on the cognitive test. I read an article about it in the late 80's early 90's, as I live in the Bay area, Don't know about Marino. The wonderlic and the s2 test cognitive test are totally different. The S2 cognitive test is not an IQ type test. I guess what I am saying is Joe and Dan would have had trouble reading the questions on any test. That said both were as football savvy as you could ask for. Marino had a rep for not being to intelligent. Montana, at least in the Bay area just had a rep for being Quiet with not much to say about anything, almost shy. He didn't have anything close to a TV personality.
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Mar 26, 2023 19:03:36 GMT -6
Post by Vikeroo on Mar 26, 2023 19:03:36 GMT -6
I guess what I am saying is Joe and Dan would have had trouble reading the questions on any test. That said both were as football savvy as you could ask for. Marino had a rep for not being to intelligent. Montana, at least in the Bay area just had a rep for being Quiet with not much to say about anything, almost shy. He didn't have anything close to a TV personality. Back to the original point of the thread: Everyone keeps saying to wait till next year so do you think someone like McCarthy is a better bet then someone like levis or Hooker? The problem with McCarthy like I stated is he is a guy that will jump up into top 10 or even top 5 consideration if he has a big year.
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Mar 26, 2023 20:04:26 GMT -6
Post by tavike on Mar 26, 2023 20:04:26 GMT -6
Marino had a rep for not being to intelligent. Montana, at least in the Bay area just had a rep for being Quiet with not much to say about anything, almost shy. He didn't have anything close to a TV personality. Back to the original point of the thread: Everyone keeps saying to wait till next year so do you think someone like McCarthy is a better bet then someone like levis or Hooker? The problem with McCarthy like I stated is he is a guy that will jump up into top 10 or even top 5 consideration if he has a big year. The only thing I really know about next years QB's is that the top two are light years better than any of the QB's coming out this year.
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Mar 26, 2023 20:25:29 GMT -6
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Post by lunas on Mar 26, 2023 20:25:29 GMT -6
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Mar 26, 2023 22:31:12 GMT -6
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Post by gokings on Mar 26, 2023 22:31:12 GMT -6
Glad the Vikes are playing it close with Kirkβ¦but I think itβs 50-50β¦and who the hell knows what Kirks camps definition of a discount isβ¦β not asking for 40Mβ doesnβt mean 20-30M.
Note we have a much tougher schedule and havenβt added that W2 yet so Kirk is going to have to prove his worth now and deliver with Osborne or Nailor along with Jefferson.
Alsoβ¦weβll have to see what the draft gives us. The outcome of someone sliding isnβt likely (but not impossible) and trading our few picks (or future picks) to move up is a massive gamble on an unknownβ¦
I am all for replacing Kirk but I definitely understand it wonβt be easy. Glad to see the Vikes are interested though and not settling at least until after the draft.
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Mar 27, 2023 6:59:47 GMT -6
Post by frantheman10 on Mar 27, 2023 6:59:47 GMT -6
I've become more of a Kirk fan the past two years but I like what KAM is doing with his contract. There's no need to jump at extending a 35 yr old good but not great QB especially if the asking price is in the zip code of $40mm per. Let 2023 play out. Next spring, the team will have multiple options on the table. Push to re-sign Kirk. Trade up for a rookie. Or sign a Carr or Garrapolo type. For me, there's no urgency too get something done with KC. Replacing him won't be easy but Kirk isn't a HOF QB either.
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