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Post by budgrant1 on Mar 25, 2023 8:11:30 GMT -6
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Mar 25, 2023 9:00:21 GMT -6
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Post by redbird87 on Mar 25, 2023 9:00:21 GMT -6
I actually just finished watching about an hour of film stuff on him. All I can say is NO! He has all these man made tools like the strong arm, but just isn’t a natural fluid thrower and I question the cerebral aspect of him being a QB. He often late on both reads and throws. I’d liken the guy to Kyle Boller.
Honestly…. I’m not sure there is a single QB in this draft I’d move up for. If one fell to us at 23 maybe worth a shot, but every one of these kids has major issues. Stroud to me is the safest pick… but I’m definitely not sold on him. Ohio State has become the modern day USC. QB’s look amazing in college where there teams overwhelm their completion and put up ridiculous numbers but fail miserably at the next level.
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From the fury of the Northmen deliver us, O Lord.
(A furore Normannorum libera nos, Domine.)
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Mar 25, 2023 10:43:15 GMT -6
Post by purpleberserker on Mar 25, 2023 10:43:15 GMT -6
I agree the kid out of Georgia (Bennett) may be worth a shot in 4th or 5th. I thought he threw well at combine and obviously can perform on a big stage. He’s smart and has learned under A very good offensive mind (Todd Monken) at Georgia. That may all be true, but I pray the Vikings do not draft him. He is such a pr!ck that it would be like rooting for Aaron Rodgers.
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Mar 25, 2023 10:49:27 GMT -6
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Post by odinswrath on Mar 25, 2023 10:49:27 GMT -6
I actually just finished watching about an hour of film stuff on him. All I can say is NO! He has all these man made tools like the strong arm, but just isn’t a natural fluid thrower and I question the cerebral aspect of him being a QB. He often late on both reads and throws. I’d liken the guy to Kyle Boller. Honestly…. I’m not sure there is a single QB in this draft I’d move up for. If one fell to us at 23 maybe worth a shot, but every one of these kids has major issues. Stroud to me is the safest pick… but I’m definitely not sold on him. Ohio State has become the modern day USC. QB’s look amazing in college where there teams overwhelm their completion and put up ridiculous numbers but fail miserably at the next level. Every year we see the same type of QB roll through the process based on measurables. The Bollers,Lockers, Willis, Gabbert, Bortles, Osweiler types never pan out. The only exception I can think of is Allen from Buffalo. I would take a chance on him no earlier than the 3rd round.
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Mar 25, 2023 12:52:10 GMT -6
Post by Vikeroo on Mar 25, 2023 12:52:10 GMT -6
I actually just finished watching about an hour of film stuff on him. All I can say is NO! He has all these man made tools like the strong arm, but just isn’t a natural fluid thrower and I question the cerebral aspect of him being a QB. He often late on both reads and throws. I’d liken the guy to Kyle Boller. Honestly…. I’m not sure there is a single QB in this draft I’d move up for. If one fell to us at 23 maybe worth a shot, but every one of these kids has major issues. Stroud to me is the safest pick… but I’m definitely not sold on him. Ohio State has become the modern day USC. QB’s look amazing in college where there teams overwhelm their completion and put up ridiculous numbers but fail miserably at the next level. Every year we see the same type of QB roll through the process based on measurables. The Bollers,Lockers, Willis, Gabbert, Bortles, Osweiler types never pan out. The only exception I can think of is Allen from Buffalo. I would take a chance on him no earlier than the 3rd round. Herbert though he was always marked a cerebral QB also. Also you seem to be missing out on mentioning all the other athletic QB's like Mahomes, Wilson, Murray, and ETC that have had some success. Osweiler and Levis are both pure pocket guys so not even sure why they are mentioned in this? Joe Burrow is more athletic then some mentioned here.
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Mar 25, 2023 13:04:25 GMT -6
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Post by lunas on Mar 25, 2023 13:04:25 GMT -6
People are going to lose their jobs talking themselves into over drafting the QB’s in 2023.
The 2011 class had Locker, Gabbert and Ponder all going after Newton and inside the top 20. All guys had serious flaws at the time and everyone knew it. They got desperate and had FOMO.
Be patient, take BPA and wait until 2024.
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Mar 25, 2023 13:27:57 GMT -6
Post by tavike on Mar 25, 2023 13:27:57 GMT -6
I actually just finished watching about an hour of film stuff on him. All I can say is NO! He has all these man made tools like the strong arm, but just isn’t a natural fluid thrower and I question the cerebral aspect of him being a QB. He often late on both reads and throws. I’d liken the guy to Kyle Boller. Honestly…. I’m not sure there is a single QB in this draft I’d move up for. If one fell to us at 23 maybe worth a shot, but every one of these kids has major issues. Stroud to me is the safest pick… but I’m definitely not sold on him. Ohio State has become the modern day USC. QB’s look amazing in college where there teams overwhelm their completion and put up ridiculous numbers but fail miserably at the next level. To be fair, if you looked at the tape of Josh Allen coming out of college you wouldn't have wanted him either. So much depends on the coaching they get at the pro level, but I will say this. The single most important test score for a QB is the s2 cognition test, which scores the QB's ability to process information. It would be interesting to see what the top QB's in the NFL scored on that test in college. For instance I know that Payton Manning, Joe Montana , Drew Brees all scored Elite on the test coming out of college as did Brock Purdy. So if you want to take a chance a QB in the later rounds, it would best to go after the one who scored highest on that test.
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Mar 26, 2023 14:40:35 GMT -6
Post by avguy on Mar 26, 2023 14:40:35 GMT -6
I know I already commented on a QB '23, but here is how this all applies to the Vikes. It won't greatly matter on which QB for '23 OR '24 draft. Anyone of them could become mediocre, or less likely - be outstanding after Kirk is done.
Ownership is hellbent on the need to replace him at some point soon due to Father Time. Stating the obvious - players available in the drafts can just be thought of as 50/50, regardless of position for NFL success.
Where the Vikings screw themselves is the drafting process. If indeed, draft is how they attempt to replace KC, they cannot waste numerous picks. They cannot ignore the serious team holes at CB, DT, WR, and LB in this. None of the QBs either draft year appear great enough to lift a team with deficits. A team that won't again go 11-0 in one-score games.
Doing this wrong and frickin Detroit takes the Division away like many of the "experts" are predicting.
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Mar 26, 2023 14:50:16 GMT -6
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Post by odinswrath on Mar 26, 2023 14:50:16 GMT -6
Every year we see the same type of QB roll through the process based on measurables. The Bollers,Lockers, Willis, Gabbert, Bortles, Osweiler types never pan out. The only exception I can think of is Allen from Buffalo. I would take a chance on him no earlier than the 3rd round. Herbert though he was always marked a cerebral QB also. Also you seem to be missing out on mentioning all the other athletic QB's like Mahomes, Wilson, Murray, and ETC that have had some success. Osweiler and Levis are both pure pocket guys so not even sure why they are mentioned in this? Joe Burrow is more athletic then some mentioned here. I'm not talking about QB’S like Herbert or Burrow that everyone knew was going to be good. I'm talking about fringe prospects like Richardson and Levis that get pushed up to the first round because they can run fast or throw the ball 75 yards.
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Mar 26, 2023 14:56:29 GMT -6
Post by purplevein on Mar 26, 2023 14:56:29 GMT -6
The Vikings could very well suck the first year with a new quarterback. The Jaguars were 3-14 in Trevor Lawrence’s rookie season, but then went 9-8 and got a playoff win last season. Just hope Jefferson doesn’t get disgruntled during the rebuild.
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Post by RF54 on Mar 26, 2023 15:20:35 GMT -6
If the plan is to try and go QB in '24 then they need to trade out of the first and get a first round pick next year for their troubles. Having 2 picks might be enough ammo to get up to where they will need to get to take their guy.
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Mar 26, 2023 16:32:48 GMT -6
Post by Vikeroo on Mar 26, 2023 16:32:48 GMT -6
Everyone keeps saying wait until next year that class will be better. People have been waiting for Stroud and Young for 2 years to hit the draft and they are 1st rounders any year. Williams is probably a better prospect then any this year, but it is unlikely we will be selecting 1st overall so that really doesn't matter. The real question is Hooker/Levis vs someone like McCarthy. McCarthy has a great year then he is going top 10 if not top 5 and if he gets hurt or has a down year then it is the Hooker/Levis debate all over again. So yes the next tier of QB's is better next year talent wise, but once again if McCarthy for instance has anything approaching a good year then he is top 10 due to elite athletic ability and he will be available for the draft much younger then Hooker or Levis. Let them decide what they want to do, but the next class always looks better in some way.
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Post by Vikeroo on Mar 26, 2023 16:38:45 GMT -6
I actually just finished watching about an hour of film stuff on him. All I can say is NO! He has all these man made tools like the strong arm, but just isn’t a natural fluid thrower and I question the cerebral aspect of him being a QB. He often late on both reads and throws. I’d liken the guy to Kyle Boller. Honestly…. I’m not sure there is a single QB in this draft I’d move up for. If one fell to us at 23 maybe worth a shot, but every one of these kids has major issues. Stroud to me is the safest pick… but I’m definitely not sold on him. Ohio State has become the modern day USC. QB’s look amazing in college where there teams overwhelm their completion and put up ridiculous numbers but fail miserably at the next level. To be fair, if you looked at the tape of Josh Allen coming out of college you wouldn't have wanted him either. So much depends on the coaching they get at the pro level, but I will say this. The single most important test score for a QB is the s2 cognition test, which scores the QB's ability to process information. It would be interesting to see what the top QB's in the NFL scored on that test in college. For instance I know that Payton Manning, Joe Montana , Drew Brees all scored Elite on the test coming out of college as did Brock Purdy. So if you want to take a chance a QB in the later rounds, it would best to go after the one who scored highest on that test. LastI checked Joe Montana tested poorly by every metric in every mental aspect of testing as did Marino. Honestly both those guys failed as broadcasters because they struggle to put a complete sentence together. Thing is both were unconscious natural football geniuses. Sometimes you get a guy who is not overly bright, but has a single narrow focus in the world.
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Post by Vikeroo on Mar 26, 2023 16:43:32 GMT -6
They need a WR and 2 corners. They can’t afford to draft a qb this year. The team doesnt need 2 corners and the biggest splash made in FA was at that position. They need IDL every bit as much if not more then WR. If the plan is to have Hock take 50%+ of his snaps out wide not even sure they need a WR honestly? Right now I would set NT and 3/5 tech as the highest needs. I could see them drafting C, EDGE, ILB, and maybe even a few other things before WR. I can seethem drafting WR with the first pick, but it has to be BPA. They have bigger needs elsewhere.
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Mar 26, 2023 17:12:51 GMT -6
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Post by purplevein on Mar 26, 2023 17:12:51 GMT -6
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