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Mar 23, 2023 16:29:25 GMT -6
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Post by redbird87 on Mar 23, 2023 16:29:25 GMT -6
If we were going to take a swing at QB… I’d rather take a swing in 24. My understanding is it’s a class with better developed prospects with fewer concerns. The USC kid will likely go 1 and be out of reach, but I actually really like the tape on the Florida State kid. He goes thru progressions, has good pock presence and good zip on his ball. He’s more of a pocket passer… but definitely can run. I really liked what little I’ve seen.
I don’t think we have Ammo for Stroud this year who zi think is the safest pick, AR is a huge risk to move up for given the lack of picks in 23. And, Levis…. I don’t know about this kid. Anyone else have a feel for him? I just get bad vibes and don’t particularly like his throwing motion. Looks like he’s pushing the ball instead of throwing it! That said never watched much tape on him.
Thoughts??
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Post by jeffsiemon on Mar 23, 2023 16:57:57 GMT -6
They need a WR and 2 corners. They can’t afford to draft a qb this year.
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Mar 23, 2023 18:28:10 GMT -6
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Post by lunas on Mar 23, 2023 18:28:10 GMT -6
If they are smart, they skip drafting a QB this class and wait until 2024:
Caleb Williams and Drake Maye will be head and shoulders above anyone in this class by a wide margin.
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Mar 23, 2023 18:31:07 GMT -6
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Post by redbird87 on Mar 23, 2023 18:31:07 GMT -6
I posed the question because A) I continue to see articles indicating the Vikings have an interest in moving up for a QB, B) I have a hard time believing the Vikings would let Kirk walk without having a known commodity who’s had a year to learn and C). Because I too think 24 is the better year to draft a QB.
But… the Vikings keep pushing so much cap into 24, I’m starting to think they are going to let Kirk walk after this year and that makes me think them moving up to draft a QB may be on table.
I’d prefer to get CB, WR , NT
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Mar 23, 2023 19:15:49 GMT -6
Post by tavike on Mar 23, 2023 19:15:49 GMT -6
If we were going to take a swing at QB… I’d rather take a swing in 24. My understanding is it’s a class with better developed prospects with fewer concerns. The USC kid will likely go 1 and be out of reach, but I actually really like the tape on the Florida State kid. He goes thru progressions, has good pock presence and good zip on his ball. He’s more of a pocket passer… but definitely can run. I really liked what little I’ve seen. I don’t think we have Ammo for Stroud this year who zi think is the safest pick, AR is a huge risk to move up for given the lack of picks in 23. And, Levis…. I don’t know about this kid. Anyone else have a feel for him? I just get bad vibes and don’t particularly like his throwing motion. Looks like he’s pushing the ball instead of throwing it! That said never watched much tape on him. Thoughts?? I think this year Young and Stroud are the only 2 QB's in which you're not taking a huge risk if you're drafting them in the first round.
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Mar 23, 2023 20:47:59 GMT -6
Post by rooscooter on Mar 23, 2023 20:47:59 GMT -6
They need a WR and 2 corners. They can’t afford to draft a qb this year. Love the optimism here. DT, C, a real LB and maybe couple backup CB's too.
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Mar 23, 2023 20:49:49 GMT -6
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Post by purpleberserker on Mar 23, 2023 20:49:49 GMT -6
I've wondered if they might be interested in Hendon Hooker. He was playing like a Heisman candidate before he got hurt. With Cousins entrenched as the starter for at least this season, probably next 2, there would be no pressure to rush him onto the field. Not sure he'll be there in the 3rd round though.
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Post by iceratz16 on Mar 23, 2023 21:12:42 GMT -6
If we were going to take a swing at QB… I’d rather take a swing in 24. My understanding is it’s a class with better developed prospects with fewer concerns. The USC kid will likely go 1 and be out of reach, but I actually really like the tape on the Florida State kid. He goes thru progressions, has good pock presence and good zip on his ball. He’s more of a pocket passer… but definitely can run. I really liked what little I’ve seen. I don’t think we have Ammo for Stroud this year who zi think is the safest pick, AR is a huge risk to move up for given the lack of picks in 23. And, Levis…. I don’t know about this kid. Anyone else have a feel for him? I just get bad vibes and don’t particularly like his throwing motion. Looks like he’s pushing the ball instead of throwing it! That said never watched much tape on him. Thoughts?? I think this year Young and Stroud are the only 2 QB's in which you're not taking a huge risk if you're drafting them in the first round. Young is a bust. He was a good college QB in a good program, but a kid who will break in half in the NFL. I wouldn't be so sure of him being not being a risk.
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Mar 24, 2023 10:58:41 GMT -6
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Post by legion11 on Mar 24, 2023 10:58:41 GMT -6
Probably better to wait until next year when we'll be picking right around the middle of the round. Coming off a 13-4 campaign where we massively overachieved AND don't have a 2nd rounder to use as ammunition would make moving up incredibly costly. Unless it's only a small move up for Hooker or someone of similar talent, which I'm not all that excited about.
Or we could take a Dorian Thompson-Robinson type in the 4th and hope he's the next Dak Prescott. I'd be fine with that, he's a much better pure passer than Mond whom we blew a 3rd on.
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Mar 24, 2023 11:16:59 GMT -6
Post by daredevil on Mar 24, 2023 11:16:59 GMT -6
Really a hard class to figure. Easier to figure who one doesn't want; then those one would take a chance on.
1. Duggan out of TCU - No way. His receivers made him look way better then he is. Ball placement is horrible; poor viscosity on his balls; easy pick offs at the next level. Slow progression; stairs down his receiver way to long. To slow to avoid the rush; has no feel for pressure.
I really didn't like his game over all. 2. Robinson out of UCLA - All I can say in my view; is if you liked Mond; you'll like Robinson.
3. Hall out of BYU - Another one who's has similarity to Wilson whom he took over the helm from; looks good, smells good; just not an NFL starter; maybe at best a back-up.
4. Mckee out of Stanford - If you like Mannion; then one will like him.
These are just some that they may be looking at in the later rounds; if their looking at all.
Only late rounders I would consider would be;
1. Haener out of Fresno St. - Has good awareness and seems to be able to read defenses, has good progression and is fairly accurate with the ball; especially in the short to intermediate range. Seems to struggle with the deep ball, but his feel for pressure is good, seems to keep his eyes down field while he's scrambling around; is easy to bring down though.
Possibly only a back up with some starting potential.
2. Kid I like, but size will be a problem. Bennett IV out of Georgia - Probably the best in this class on reading defenses; very smart and quit accurate with the ball in his hands. Quick release with plenty of velocity to fit in tight windows; stronger arm strength then been given credit for. Proved that at the combine. Helped himself move up higher then anticipated. Will be off the board before the end of the 5th or possibly the 4th round. I'd take a chance on him if he was still there in the 5th for sure. Will need to mature some though; way to cocky, but not as much as Johnny M. had coming out, but if taken later in the draft; that might help with his attitude. Outside of his size; that's the only concerns I have with him though. IMO; he's as good as Young out of Alabama. JMO
3. Don't know a lot about the others of interest; more curios I guess. Like Tune out of Houston, and Bagent out of Shepard.
These are the ones though that I would most likely take a shot at in the later rounds if still there. Especially if Bennett is already gone.
Haven't made up my mind for sure on the upper tier guys though. I'll have to give them more thought before deciding if I would want them or not. Don't think I'd move up for any of them though. Cost to much.
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Post by purplevein on Mar 24, 2023 11:53:08 GMT -6
Regarding that assessment of Duggan, it sounds like too much personal information to say that he has poor viscosity on his balls.
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Mar 24, 2023 12:09:30 GMT -6
Post by purplepastor on Mar 24, 2023 12:09:30 GMT -6
Really a hard class to figure. Easier to figure who one doesn't want; then those one would take a chance on.
1. Duggan out of TCU - No way. His receivers made him look way better then he is. Ball placement is horrible; poor viscosity on his balls; easy pick offs at the next level. Slow progression; stairs down his receiver way to long. To slow to avoid the rush; has no feel for pressure.
I really didn't like his game over all. 2. Robinson out of UCLA - All I can say in my view; is if you liked Mond; you'll like Robinson.
3. Hall out of BYU - Another one who's has similarity to Wilson whom he took over the helm from; looks good, smells good; just not an NFL starter; maybe at best a back-up.
4. Mckee out of Stanford - If you like Mannion; then one will like him.
These are just some that they may be looking at in the later rounds; if their looking at all.
Only late rounders I would consider would be;
1. Haener out of Fresno St. - Has good awareness and seems to be able to read defenses, has good progression and is fairly accurate with the ball; especially in the short to intermediate range. Seems to struggle with the deep ball, but his feel for pressure is good, seems to keep his eyes down field while he's scrambling around; is easy to bring down though.
Possibly only a back up with some starting potential.
2. Kid I like, but size will be a problem. Bennett IV out of Georgia - Probably the best in this class on reading defenses; very smart and quit accurate with the ball in his hands. Quick release with plenty of velocity to fit in tight windows; stronger arm strength then been given credit for. Proved that at the combine. Helped himself move up higher then anticipated. Will be off the board before the end of the 5th or possibly the 4th round. I'd take a chance on him if he was still there in the 5th for sure. Will need to mature some though; way to cocky, but not as much as Johnny M. had coming out, but if taken later in the draft; that might help with his attitude. Outside of his size; that's the only concerns I have with him though. IMO; he's as good as Young out of Alabama. JMO
3. Don't know a lot about the others of interest; more curios I guess. Like Tune out of Houston, and Bagent out of Shepard.
These are the ones though that I would most likely take a shot at in the later rounds if still there. Especially if Bennett is already gone.
Haven't made up my mind for sure on the upper tier guys though. I'll have to give them more thought before deciding if I would want them or not. Don't think I'd move up for any of them though. Cost to much.
Wow! I obviously haven't looked at these guys as much as you (especially in regard to Duggan and his viscosity), but talk about the kiss of death: Robinson = Mond, Hall = Wilson, McKee = Mannion. You could be right, but this made me laugh.
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Post by daredevil on Mar 25, 2023 7:21:48 GMT -6
Like I said," this is JMO". This is what I observed watching them; others may not. Now some of what they have; they may be able to correct them.
The ones I compared them to; seems; were not able to correct their faults. It's surprising that the Jets have given up on Wilson so soon; it appears. Anyway I gave the people on this board my thoughts; lets see others on theirs. So I messed up on one word; okay; okay; at least you got a good laugh from it; I'm glad you did.
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Mar 25, 2023 7:53:44 GMT -6
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Post by redbird87 on Mar 25, 2023 7:53:44 GMT -6
I agree the kid out of Georgia (Bennett) may be worth a shot in 4th or 5th. I thought he threw well at combine and obviously can perform on a big stage. He’s smart and has learned under A very good offensive mind (Todd Monken) at Georgia.
Has anyone watched Levis? Of the top 4 QB’s he seems consistently ranked 4th and is the one that would cost the least to move up for as a result. I’ve not watched him at all other than a brief highlight reel. In some ways he looks to have the least ? marks of the 4. At 6-3, 234 he’s as big as AR15, He has a bigger arm than Stroud and Young, He’s played in a pro style offense and appears adept at going thru progressions. And Kentucky was rarely dominating other teams which means he has consistently played under pressure and hasn’t always had wide open receivers to throw to unlike young and Stroud. So #1 why do I not get a good feeling from the guy and #2 why is he rated 4th on most QB boards?
I’m not asking that as a question like “he should be” I want to know from people that have actually watched him… what am I missing? Because he appears the most complete of the 4 in transitioning to the pro game… so there has to be something about the guy that is putting him at the ass end of the 4!
And I still would prefer to move up for the kid at FL St in 24 over anyone in this draft.
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Mar 25, 2023 8:10:23 GMT -6
Post by budgrant1 on Mar 25, 2023 8:10:23 GMT -6
I agree the kid out of Georgia (Bennett) may be worth a shot in 4th or 5th. I thought he threw well at combine and obviously can perform on a big stage. He’s smart and has learned under A very good offensive mind (Todd Monken) at Georgia. Has anyone watched Levis? Of the top 4 QB’s he seems consistently ranked 4th and is the one that would cost the least to move up for as a result. I’ve not watched him at all other than a brief highlight reel. In some ways he looks to have the least ? marks of the 4. At 6-3, 234 he’s as big as AR15, He has a bigger arm than Stroud and Young, He’s played in a pro style offense and appears adept at going thru progressions. And Kentucky was rarely dominating other teams which means he has consistently played under pressure and hasn’t always had wide open receivers to throw to unlike young and Stroud. So #1 why do I not get a good feeling from the guy and #2 why is he rated 4th on most QB boards? I’m not asking that as a question like “he should be” I want to know from people that have actually watched him… what am I missing? Because he appears the most complete of the 4 in transitioning to the pro game… so there has to be something about the guy that is putting him at the ass end of the 4! And I still would prefer to move up for the kid at FL St in 24 over anyone in this draft. There are a lot of question marks surrounding Levis, ranging from his drop in production to his poor decision-making. He often locks onto receivers, forces footballs into closed windows, and holds the ball far too often attempting to find a bigger play than allowing what is in front of him to flow as a more natural quarterback. He will essentially need to be rewritten as a quarterback and allowed to naturally develop in the NFL around a patient coaching staff that can build an offense heavily favored around his athletic ability. His decision-making cannot be ignored and there will be red flags for teams going into the decision to draft him. All the tools are there, but there were some frighteningly ugly games where he played far too much “hero ball” and handed the ball to the other team.
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