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Post by Vikeroo on Apr 27, 2024 19:38:27 GMT -6
I wonder if they feel comfortable with the work they put in on McBride last season and during this offseason to improve his pass blocking and playbook knowledge not going RB in draft or UDFA?
They seem mostly happy with the ILB room.
Team might try and unload Evans and/or Booth with the bodies brought in at CB.
Rouse might be an heir apparent for O'Neill in a couple years. Can get up to speed this year and hope for being full time swing in 2025.
They did not threaten anyone's job on the OL for this year with the draft.
Team is almost certain to nab a vet WR at some point on the cheap to add to the room.
This Rodriguez kid had has a legit shot to make the roster if he knocks their socks off. 1 position group they could develop a guy while on the 53 man with.
Obviously as things stand they are going to give Brandel a shot to win the G job.
I think most folks are misunderstanding the issue now with Darnold. He is going to have to split 1st reps with JJM and there is no way he is getting the full time attention of the coaching staff this preseason to cater to him. He was signed as a hedge against not getting a guy early on day 1 and to have a guy that can go out and compete until the young guy is ready. I just do not see JJM showing up and being overwhelmed and the whole process is going to be geared towards preparing him to be ready ASAP. That still might mean we do not see him until the 2nd half of the season. KOC was asked today while being interviewed during the draft what the plan was and he said there will be no set plan they will assess as they move along. No "Darnold is our starter" or "Darnold deserves first shot at this" from KOC. Mot coaches will make comments that defer to the veteran and then change their tune when things change down the line. He did not do that.
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Post by taz24 on Apr 27, 2024 19:56:05 GMT -6
Interesting takes.
Glad Darnold has to earn his starts like everyone else.
I think the Vikings will consider bring Cam Akers back if he is healthy and signs reasonably. Especially if McBride has not progressed.
I also think they like Powell in the slot quite a bit. doesn't mean they won't bring in a veteran WR. I could see that happening
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Post by marshalltohof on Apr 27, 2024 19:58:48 GMT -6
I'd just say with McCarthy being so young (21) they have the luxury of bringing him along slowly. I foresee Darnold getting every chance to prove himself to avoid throwing McCarthy to the wolves too soon. If Darnold is winning games I could see him starting all season.
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Post by purpletrouble on Apr 27, 2024 20:10:18 GMT -6
I think the Vikes did pretty well in this draft. Especially, since they had no 2,3, or 5th round picks.
I applaud Kwesi for getting JJM without giving up any 1st rnd picks.
I was originally skeptical about JJM, but after watching film, and listening to the experts over the last couple days, I'm getting excited about the future of the QB positionn.
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Post by BigRussian on Apr 27, 2024 20:10:53 GMT -6
Love the first day
Not crazy about the 3rd day
Like the FA's
But hey, its a new day for the Vikings, im excited about the future
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Post by Vikeroo on Apr 27, 2024 21:28:39 GMT -6
I'd just say with McCarthy being so young (21) they have the luxury of bringing him along slowly. I foresee Darnold getting every chance to prove himself to avoid throwing McCarthy to the wolves too soon. If Darnold is winning games I could see him starting all season. Sure, but the thing is though coaches will be spending the lions share of their time with JJM. You bring JJM along slowly if needed, but if he is ready no need to hold him back. He is the youngest QB in the class, but also the most pro ready in many ways. |
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Post by Vikeroo on Apr 27, 2024 21:29:47 GMT -6
Interesting takes. Glad Darnold has to earn his starts like everyone else. I think the Vikings will consider bring Cam Akers back if he is healthy and signs reasonably. Especially if McBride has not progressed. I also think they like Powell in the slot quite a bit. doesn't mean they won't bring in a veteran WR. I could see that happening They really do not have anyone to start if either of the 2 starting WR's get hurt. |
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Post by blackmagic7 on Apr 27, 2024 21:40:03 GMT -6
Are you referring to the interview with Rich Eisen during the draft?
To color in your comments on it, Rick tossed him a softball question whether JJM had a chance to start or if it was Darnold's job. KOC was non-committal and talked about Mullens and Hall.
I think there's more sauce buried in Darnold's interview when he signed. He talked about coming in and 'competing to start' about a dozen times. He didn't sound like a guy who was just promised a starting job, he sounded eager to get after winning it.
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Post by frantheman10 on Apr 28, 2024 7:10:50 GMT -6
I'd just say with McCarthy being so young (21) they have the luxury of bringing him along slowly. I foresee Darnold getting every chance to prove himself to avoid throwing McCarthy to the wolves too soon. If Darnold is winning games I could see him starting all season. Sure, but the thing is though coaches will be spending the lions share of their time with JJM. You bring JJM along slowly if needed, but if he is ready no need to hold him back. He is the youngest QB in the class, but also the most pro ready in many ways.Β I would be very disappointed if the decision on week one starter wasnβt a close call between Sam and JJM. Darnold is not good, not even close. A top 10 pick at QB should be pushing for QB1 on week 1. If 4 months from now, Darnold is the clear starter then I will think we screwed the pooch with JJM. I think JJM is going to come and win this job out of the gate. Sam can warm the bench where he belongs. |
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Post by redbird87 on Apr 28, 2024 7:24:17 GMT -6
Sure, but the thing is though coaches will be spending the lions share of their time with JJM. You bring JJM along slowly if needed, but if he is ready no need to hold him back. He is the youngest QB in the class, but also the most pro ready in many ways.Β I would be very disappointed if the decision on week one starter wasnβt a close call between Sam and JJM. Darnold is not good, not even close. A top 10 pick at QB should be pushing for QB1 on week 1. If 4 months from now, Darnold is the clear starter then I will think we screwed the pooch with JJM. I think JJM is going to come and win this job out of the gate. Sam can warm the bench where he belongs. If you listen to the Kwesi interview heβs a bit more detailed. Heβs of the opinion many of the QB bust in the league have to do with how those players were handled. Too many didnβt have the right support and were pushed along too early getting thrown to the wolves before they were really ready and ruining them. Said they are in no hurry with JJ and want to give him everything he needs to help him become the best QB he can be. So IMO there is zero chance they are even remotely considering him at the beginning of the year. |
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Post by dougpaschal on Apr 28, 2024 7:38:45 GMT -6
O'Connell isn't going to commit to a qb 5 months before the start of the season.
It'll be Darnold though.
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Post by Vikeroo on Apr 28, 2024 7:56:31 GMT -6
I would be very disappointed if the decision on week one starter wasnβt a close call between Sam and JJM. Darnold is not good, not even close. A top 10 pick at QB should be pushing for QB1 on week 1. If 4 months from now, Darnold is the clear starter then I will think we screwed the pooch with JJM. I think JJM is going to come and win this job out of the gate. Sam can warm the bench where he belongs. If you listen to the Kwesi interview heβs a bit more detailed. Heβs of the opinion many of the QB bust in the league have to do with how those players were handled. Too many didnβt have the right support and were pushed along too early getting thrown to the wolves before they were really ready and ruining them. Said they are in no hurry with JJ and want to give him everything he needs to help him become the best QB he can be. So IMO there is zero chance they are even remotely considering him at the beginning of the year. Not what that means at all Red... Means do not rush him, but also means do not get in his way when he is ready. There is no magical answer that he will be ready game 1 or that he will be better off being on the sidelines the whole year. When he is ready you play him that simple. I think he has the 2nd highest passing TD betting line of the rookie QB's atm. Vegas expects he will start a majority of the games. As far as the player I can tell you right now he was not out partying all weekend celebrating and that he is already deep into the playbook. Vikings will be helping him get a place in Minneapolis and settled in this week. as an underclassman he is eligible to be a full participant in OTA's right now. Sounds like JJ is excited to get JJM. |
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Post by frantheman10 on Apr 28, 2024 8:16:34 GMT -6
If JJM outplays Darnold in camp then he should start. I donβt need to see 6 more games of Darnold after watching him suck for 6 years.
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Post by daredevil on Apr 28, 2024 9:53:36 GMT -6
It sounds to me that they were up front with Darnold why they brought him in, and he surely knew that we were going to take a QB in the first if the one we wanted was there.
He knows his place, but also he's being given a chance to prove that he may have or not turned his career around. In other words; last chance buddy. If he did; this will give him a chance to either play here for a year or two, or some where's else. This is hopefully a great senerio for all. Didn't Darnold go 4-1 in his last outing? This is by far the best landing spot for JJ and he and everyone else knows it. This is time for him to also learn patience, that's also called maturity. Watch and learn; get use to the speed of the game. His time will come; most likely sooner then later; don't rush it. Oh hey; has anyone noticed; that most of the guys we draft don't have an injury history. That's got to be the first in a while.  Good job Kwesi!!!! 
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Post by redbird87 on Apr 28, 2024 11:39:01 GMT -6
If you listen to the Kwesi interview heβs a bit more detailed. Heβs of the opinion many of the QB bust in the league have to do with how those players were handled. Too many didnβt have the right support and were pushed along too early getting thrown to the wolves before they were really ready and ruining them. Said they are in no hurry with JJ and want to give him everything he needs to help him become the best QB he can be. So IMO there is zero chance they are even remotely considering him at the beginning of the year. Not what that means at all Red... Means do not rush him, but also means do not get in his way when he is ready. There is no magical answer that he will be ready game 1 or that he will be better off being on the sidelines the whole year. When he is ready you play him that simple. I think he has the 2nd highest passing TD betting line of the rookie QB's atm. Vegas expects he will start a majority of the games. As far as the player I can tell you right now he was not out partying all weekend celebrating and that he is already deep into the playbook. Vikings will be helping him get a place in Minneapolis and settled in this week. as an underclassman he is eligible to be a full participant in OTA's right now. Sounds like JJ is excited to get JJM.Β I guess his comments are up for interpretation then. I listed to that interview and came away with there is no rush or timeline they are on and would prefer to be cautious vs. aggressive with his progression to playing. So unless we go into training camp and Darnald is just God Awfulβ¦. I donβt see anyway they are even remotely considering him for the start of the year. I think both KAM and KOC both understand that early success is paramount to QB growth. And in this instance probably more so. JJ to date has never known anything but success, heβs never known adversity and yet he was also never asked to shoulder as much weight as he will at this level. With the receivers we have, heβs going to be asked to be more than a game manager. My point is guys who often have known only success are often rattled when suddenly they start to struggle and struggle frequently. I think theyβll give him as much time to learn and acclimate as possible to hopefully allow him as much early success as possible. |
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