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Post by tavike on Apr 10, 2022 18:50:02 GMT -6
He was horrible on Defense! I believe that the signing of Cousins is what caused the divide between Rick and Zim. Up until the end of 2017, they worked well together, even through multiple OCs, but everything went to bleep from that point on. So no, Cousins didn't know what was happening or do anything personally to cause it, but yes, he's a big part of the previous regime falling apart. Ownership should have taken care of that problem from the start.
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Post by 2012mom on Apr 10, 2022 19:10:45 GMT -6
I believe that the signing of Cousins is what caused the divide between Rick and Zim. Up until the end of 2017, they worked well together, even through multiple OCs, but everything went to bleep from that point on. So no, Cousins didn't know what was happening or do anything personally to cause it, but yes, he's a big part of the previous regime falling apart. Ownership should have taken care of that problem from the start. True, but if they had made a change at that point, it probably would have been only to replace Zimmer, but both of them needed to go.
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Post by zenzabar on Apr 10, 2022 22:13:04 GMT -6
thanks rick for not getting the people we need for defense ...oh wait... ya got the grocery list an yet ya brought home a bag of mac-n-cheese i really have come to the conclusion that rick an zims personality conflict screwed the team as rick did everything in his power to screw zim and get rid of him when i hear zim an him havent talked in months....when rick has to enter a field to get one of his new players from getting killed on the field by coaches an team alike....i knew it was screwed when zim being as honest as he is snapped at players and called out their ability to play...when fans are so dismayed some coach says the truth an everyone loses their minds...fans hate honesty best thing that ever happened was getting rid of rick Looking back, I would say that Zim played Mannion vs the Packers to spite Rick. im sure its me an my active imagination...players an coaches have caught a lot of heat...but the link in the chain broke at GM
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Post by 1angryviking on Apr 10, 2022 22:35:18 GMT -6
He was horrible on Defense! I believe that the signing of Cousins is what caused the divide between Rick and Zim. Up until the end of 2017, they worked well together, even through multiple OCs, but everything went to bleep from that point on. So no, Cousins didn't know what was happening or do anything personally to cause it, but yes, he's a big part of the previous regime falling apart. I don't buy that Cousins is what soured the relationship. There is plenty to dislike about the Cousins signing... but Zimmer is a cantankerous old man that didn't even try to get along with Cousins... or even the guy that got him him to the NFCCG in Keenum. The reasons why there were multiple OC's every year is because Zimmer is a jerk.
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Post by drhoades1 on Apr 11, 2022 2:42:21 GMT -6
Somehow I knew the idiots on this board who had their loved ones porked by Cousins would make this about him. SMH Dumbasses
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Post by Vikeroo on Apr 11, 2022 3:06:48 GMT -6
Looking back, I would say that Zim played Mannion vs the Packers to spite Rick. im sure its me an my active imagination...players an coaches have caught a lot of heat...but the link in the chain broke at GM No, I think the chain broke at HC who seems to have gotten more Machiavellian as time went on. Rick did not have the power to fire Mike, and Mike did not have the power to fire Rick. We still have chunks of 2 draft classes that are unknown because Patterson was really the only position coach that seemed to be given the freedom to evaluate and develop his position group fully at his own discretion. Maybe Polomalu to a lesser extent. Seems as though both Rick and Mike got petty with each other, but it obviously was becoming an issue with one guy using his power of control of the roster vs other guy using his power over the depth chart against each other. If you think Rick was the main issue then you can't argue the team had a playoff roster and underperformed or that running things back this year is the right choice. Rick and Mike worked like a team the first 4 years and did not the last 4 and that is to the bad for both. Mike's issues with his offensive coaching staff date back to the very start of his tenure. Rick is a decent NFL executive who lacks some spine when dealing with ownership and that will never change. End of the day both are gone and we are banking on Rick having done his job better then Mike did for the next 2 years.
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Post by 2012mom on Apr 11, 2022 7:36:17 GMT -6
I believe that the signing of Cousins is what caused the divide between Rick and Zim. Up until the end of 2017, they worked well together, even through multiple OCs, but everything went to bleep from that point on. So no, Cousins didn't know what was happening or do anything personally to cause it, but yes, he's a big part of the previous regime falling apart. I don't buy that Cousins is what soured the relationship.ย There is plenty to dislike about the Cousins signing... but Zimmer is a cantankerous old man that didn't even try to get along with Cousins... or even the guy that got him him to the NFCCG in Keenum.ย The reasons why there were multiple OC's every year is because Zimmer is a jerk. Of course Zimmer is a jerk. My contention is that he went ape shit over the signing of Cousins. Wouldn't talk to Cousins, wouldn't work with him, AND he started being an ass towards Spielman. I am NOT saying that Cousins was at fault, I'm saying that Zimmer started acting like an irate toddler because he didn't agree with the signing of Cousins. Zimmer caused the rift in the organization, and Spielman was at fault for not either forcing Zimmer to act like an adult or firing him in 2018, or any time thereafter.
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Post by kato70s on Apr 11, 2022 8:38:25 GMT -6
He was horrible on Defense! Joke all u want. Cousins was part of prob. Hope O'Connell has something to change that. Obv those defensive stats had a huge part, which Zim wud never answer to. Like prior poster, we shud have moved after Philly. Max 1 yr later. Don't know where we'd be now, but the meanwhile years was wasted time and money.
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Post by Vikeroo on Apr 11, 2022 8:43:00 GMT -6
I don't buy that Cousins is what soured the relationship. There is plenty to dislike about the Cousins signing... but Zimmer is a cantankerous old man that didn't even try to get along with Cousins... or even the guy that got him him to the NFCCG in Keenum. The reasons why there were multiple OC's every year is because Zimmer is a jerk. Of course Zimmer is a jerk. My contention is that he went ape shit over the signing of Cousins. Wouldn't talk to Cousins, wouldn't work with him, AND he started being an ass towards Spielman. I am NOT saying that Cousins was at fault, I'm saying that Zimmer started acting like an irate toddler because he didn't agree with the signing of Cousins. Zimmer caused the rift in the organization, and Spielman was at fault for not either forcing Zimmer to act like an adult or firing him in 2018, or any time thereafter. Rick could not fire Mike without ok from Wilf's nor can KAM do so with KOC.
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Post by kato70s on Apr 11, 2022 8:43:21 GMT -6
Goes to show you...when nearly every announcer who called our games were either lazy or toe-ing the NFL line with the Zimmer Defensive Guru mantra over and over....and over.
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Post by 2012mom on Apr 11, 2022 10:02:31 GMT -6
Of course Zimmer is a jerk. My contention is that he went ape shit over the signing of Cousins. Wouldn't talk to Cousins, wouldn't work with him, AND he started being an ass towards Spielman. I am NOT saying that Cousins was at fault, I'm saying that Zimmer started acting like an irate toddler because he didn't agree with the signing of Cousins. Zimmer caused the rift in the organization, and Spielman was at fault for not either forcing Zimmer to act like an adult or firing him in 2018, or any time thereafter. Rick could not fire Mike without ok from Wilf's nor can KAM do so with KOC. Well then, if the Wilfs did not give Spielman the authority to hire and fire his own coach, they're the reason that the situation went on so long and got so far out of hand. It's still true that Zimmer acted like a spoiled brat ever since Spielman signed Cousins. It's still true that Spielman did not do enough to rectify the situation.
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Post by Vikeroo on Apr 11, 2022 10:22:13 GMT -6
Rick could not fire Mike without ok from Wilf's nor can KAM do so with KOC. Well then, if the Wilfs did not give Spielman the authority to hire and fire his own coach, they're the reason that the situation went on so long and got so far out of hand. It's still true that Zimmer acted like a spoiled brat ever since Spielman signed Cousins. It's still true that Spielman did not do enough to rectify the situation. I think the closest he got was cutting Breeland after the little blow up there and might have been part of his back and forth with Mike because if he did not cut Breeland I am positive Breeland would have started more games. fact they had a situation on the sidelines of the practice field and Rick had to come down from the office and then take that player to his office says it kind of all. They just got very petty about things at the end. If Rick had enough spine he should have suspended Breeland after the tweet issue.
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Post by taz24 on Apr 11, 2022 11:57:43 GMT -6
Spellie Sucked
Zim was an stubborn old sheeet
Even Cousins mom doesn't 'like' him.
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Post by 1angryviking on Apr 11, 2022 13:02:55 GMT -6
Of course Zimmer is a jerk. My contention is that he went ape shit over the signing of Cousins. Wouldn't talk to Cousins, wouldn't work with him, AND he started being an ass towards Spielman. I am NOT saying that Cousins was at fault, I'm saying that Zimmer started acting like an irate toddler because he didn't agree with the signing of Cousins. Zimmer caused the rift in the organization, and Spielman was at fault for not either forcing Zimmer to act like an adult or firing him in 2018, or any time thereafter. Rick could not fire Mike without ok from Wilf's nor can KAM do so with KOC. KAM and KOC are a different power structure than what Spielman had.... this is more of a return to the Triangle of Authority where Spielman had true GM power. Rick would probably still with the Vikings if he actually had a conversation with the Wilf's about replacing Zimmer and was overruled.
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Post by tavike on Apr 11, 2022 15:02:10 GMT -6
He was horrible on Defense! Joke all u want. Cousins was part of prob. Hope O'Connell has something to change that. Obv those defensive stats had a huge part, which Zim wud never answer to. Like prior poster, we shud have moved after Philly. Max 1 yr later. Don't know where we'd be now, but the meanwhile years was wasted time and money. We all know what Cousins is. He needs protection, he's not going to create plays with his legs or his arm. He's great with the play given but horrible when that play is not there. The Vikes knew this, spielman knew this, but they still could not get him the protection he needed. But if is obvious that he was a lot better last year on those final drives to win or tie games. He did enough for the Vikes to win 11 or 12 games last year but due to bad defense, bad ref calls and missed FG the Vikes only won 7 games.
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