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Post by Vikeroo on Mar 30, 2021 14:38:11 GMT -6
His offense and the talent on it made him a 1 read QB. Bucky Brooks addressed this today, and it is a common falsehood about Fields, what he said was he has very active eyes that move from read to read well, what he needs to do at the next level is make decisions a bit quicker. This may have been due to him not needing to be in a hurry at OS due to the team around him. It is false he played in a overly talented offense that generally ran single read plays? What is the misconception? He was forced to try and do more in bowl game vs Bama mixed results. Let me rephrase. He was not asked to do many reads or make many decisions at OSU. No one really has any idea what his capability is in that facet and it could be excellent. I do not understand how you conflate Brooks comments onto what was stated? |
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Post by RF54 on Mar 30, 2021 14:45:48 GMT -6
Bucky Brooks addressed this today, and it is a common falsehood about Fields, what he said was he has very active eyes that move from read to read well, what he needs to do at the next level is make decisions a bit quicker. This may have been due to him not needing to be in a hurry at OS due to the team around him. It is false he played in a overly talented offense that generally ran single read plays? What is the misconception? He was forced to try and do more in bowl game vs Bama mixed results. Let me rephrase. He was not asked to do many reads or make many decisions at OSU. No one really has any idea what his capability is in that facet and it could be excellent. I do not understand how you conflate Brooks comments onto what was stated? Fields being a 1 read QB is false. |
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Post by Vikeroo on Mar 30, 2021 15:43:20 GMT -6
It is false he played in a overly talented offense that generally ran single read plays? What is the misconception? He was forced to try and do more in bowl game vs Bama mixed results. Let me rephrase. He was not asked to do many reads or make many decisions at OSU. No one really has any idea what his capability is in that facet and it could be excellent. I do not understand how you conflate Brooks comments onto what was stated? Fields being a 1 read QB is false. We are talking about OSU's offense. We have no idea what kind of QB he is in a Pro Offense, and Bucky Brooks is not God. You are arguing against something different then was said. And actually if Brooks thinks he is slow to process information he is implying that he struggles to make and execute reads. |
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Post by RF54 on Mar 30, 2021 16:20:54 GMT -6
Fields being a 1 read QB is false. We are talking about OSU's offense. We have no idea what kind of QB he is in a Pro Offense, and Bucky Brooks is not God. You are arguing against something different then was said. And actually if Brooks thinks he is slow to process information he is implying that he struggles to make and execute reads. I know you love to argue but you are reading into BB comments. I never said he was a god, but he was a pro scout for 2 different NFL teams and he works at the network because of his knowledge, experience and ability to explain his points to the viewer. He never said he is slow to process information. If you don't like Fields fine, but I think BB has a better grasp on him than you do. I agree we have no idea what kind of pro Fields will be, we don't know about any of these prospects. You said Fields was a 1 read Qb and I am reporting that BB said that is not true. |
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Post by Prටudhටrn on Mar 31, 2021 6:06:23 GMT -6
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Post by eagerowl on Mar 31, 2021 12:09:37 GMT -6
All aboard the TE hype train...for those teams interested in picking in the top 10 again next year.
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Post by Prටudhටrn on Apr 1, 2021 5:49:07 GMT -6
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Post by Vikeroo on Apr 1, 2021 12:31:23 GMT -6
Bateman had some nice numbers in his pro day.
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Post by Prටudhටrn on Apr 2, 2021 6:18:13 GMT -6
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Post by Vikeroo on Apr 2, 2021 13:27:36 GMT -6
We are talking about OSU's offense. We have no idea what kind of QB he is in a Pro Offense, and Bucky Brooks is not God. You are arguing against something different then was said. And actually if Brooks thinks he is slow to process information he is implying that he struggles to make and execute reads. I know you love to argue but you are reading into BB comments. I never said he was a god, but he was a pro scout for 2 different NFL teams and he works at the network because of his knowledge, experience and ability to explain his points to the viewer. He never said he is slow to process information. If you don't like Fields fine, but I think BB has a better grasp on him than you do. I agree we have no idea what kind of pro Fields will be, we don't know about any of these prospects. You said Fields was a 1 read Qb and I am reporting that BB said that is not true. Reread what Jeremiah said. He said Fields struggles with Reads, but he thinks it is processing information quickly whereas I am saying I think he is a bit of a mystery because he ran an offense that asked very little from him besides being a great athlete. Judging OSU players is hard because OSU offense is as foreign to almost every NFL offense (Maybe Ravens). It is similar to how it used to be with Nebraska in 80's and 90's trying to rate triple option players for NFL at the time. OSU has a system and that system works very well when you have the best athletes, but it does no favors to their players on offense aspirations for the Pro's because they are hard to project. OSU offensive players have been a mixed bag because of it. I am not the one questioning his ability to process information Jeremiah is. |
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Post by RF54 on Apr 2, 2021 16:25:33 GMT -6
I know you love to argue but you are reading into BB comments. I never said he was a god, but he was a pro scout for 2 different NFL teams and he works at the network because of his knowledge, experience and ability to explain his points to the viewer. He never said he is slow to process information. If you don't like Fields fine, but I think BB has a better grasp on him than you do. I agree we have no idea what kind of pro Fields will be, we don't know about any of these prospects. You said Fields was a 1 read Qb and I am reporting that BB said that is not true. Reread what Jeremiah said. He said Fields struggles with Reads, but he thinks it is processing information quickly whereas I am saying I think he is a bit of a mystery because he ran an offense that asked very little from him besides being a great athlete. Judging OSU players is hard because OSU offense is as foreign to almost every NFL offense (Maybe Ravens). It is similar to how it used to be with Nebraska in 80's and 90's trying to rate triple option players for NFL at the time. OSU has a system and that system works very well when you have the best athletes, but it does no favors to their players on offense aspirations for the Pro's because they are hard to project. OSU offensive players have been a mixed bag because of it. I am not the one questioning his ability to process information Jeremiah is. He never said Fields struggled with reads, and I didn't read it I watched him say it on NFL network. March 30th on "The Herd" he said if he had to bank on QBs in this draft it would be Lawrence #1 Fields #2. Of all the QBs in the draft he is most down on Jones. His evaluation of Fields goes back to when he was 17 in high school, and he has kept him rated highly since then. You seem to be down on Fields because you may be anti OSU QBs. That is fine you are entitled to your opinion but as another poster pointed out, you don't even know who AVT is and you want the Vikings to draft him. How can we take your opinion seriously? I have personally heard 3 different evaluators say not to put Fields in the same boat as Dwayne Haskins. They are very different prospects. |
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Post by Vikeroo on Apr 2, 2021 17:19:50 GMT -6
Reread what Jeremiah said. He said Fields struggles with Reads, but he thinks it is processing information quickly whereas I am saying I think he is a bit of a mystery because he ran an offense that asked very little from him besides being a great athlete. Judging OSU players is hard because OSU offense is as foreign to almost every NFL offense (Maybe Ravens). It is similar to how it used to be with Nebraska in 80's and 90's trying to rate triple option players for NFL at the time. OSU has a system and that system works very well when you have the best athletes, but it does no favors to their players on offense aspirations for the Pro's because they are hard to project. OSU offensive players have been a mixed bag because of it. I am not the one questioning his ability to process information Jeremiah is. He never said Fields struggled with reads, and I didn't read it I watched him say it on NFL network. March 30th on "The Herd" he said if he had to bank on QBs in this draft it would be Lawrence #1 Fields #2. Of all the QBs in the draft he is most down on Jones. His evaluation of Fields goes back to when he was 17 in high school, and he has kept him rated highly since then. You seem to be down on Fields because you may be anti OSU QBs. That is fine you are entitled to your opinion but as another poster pointed out, you don't even know who AVT is and you want the Vikings to draft him. How can we take your opinion seriously? I have personally heard 3 different evaluators say not to put Fields in the same boat as Dwayne Haskins. They are very different prospects. He said he sees the field fine but has trouble processing and executing. That means he thinks he has trouble with reads. You need to look at Jeremiah's statements again. Dude you are going to go with it being a problem because I was typing his name with the common spelling of Elijah vs Alijah? You might want to re-read the rest of that exchange. Also re-read the same comments you are posting on. Jeremiah is the one who said he has trouble processing information and making quick decisions. I did not. Also since you obviously have not been paying attention I multiple times said I would draft or think about drafting Fields if he fell to #14. Might surprise you as a Michigan fan I have actually watched a number of OSU games and have a pretty good feel for him. I do not watch a lot of video on guys from Wisconsin, Michigan, OSU, Sparty, Iowa or Gophers because I have a pretty good feel for those players. Maybe the OL guys and DB's a bit because sometimes you can find some iso stuff that doesn't come across in games. And fields is a lot different prospect as he is a lot more like Kyler Murray as a prospect, but did not play in as complicated an offense as Murray did. Oklahoma runs a pro style spread that is a lot easier get a feel for their players. I actually kind of like Fields as a prospect, but ignoring questions about his ability to function in a pro style offense is ignoring the entire debate around Fields. If you do not realize this is the most discussed issue regarding Fields I do not know what to tell you? And if you use comments by a person that actually supports questioning his ability to function as an NFL QB as support that he doesn't have those questions once again I do not know what to say? |
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Post by RF54 on Apr 3, 2021 9:22:11 GMT -6
He never said Fields struggled with reads, and I didn't read it I watched him say it on NFL network. March 30th on "The Herd" he said if he had to bank on QBs in this draft it would be Lawrence #1 Fields #2. Of all the QBs in the draft he is most down on Jones. His evaluation of Fields goes back to when he was 17 in high school, and he has kept him rated highly since then. You seem to be down on Fields because you may be anti OSU QBs. That is fine you are entitled to your opinion but as another poster pointed out, you don't even know who AVT is and you want the Vikings to draft him. How can we take your opinion seriously? I have personally heard 3 different evaluators say not to put Fields in the same boat as Dwayne Haskins. They are very different prospects. He said he sees the field fine but has trouble processing and executing. That means he thinks he has trouble with reads. You need to look at Jeremiah's statements again. Dude you are going to go with it being a problem because I was typing his name with the common spelling of Elijah vs Alijah? You might want to re-read the rest of that exchange. Also re-read the same comments you are posting on. Jeremiah is the one who said he has trouble processing information and making quick decisions. I did not. Also since you obviously have not been paying attention I multiple times said I would draft or think about drafting Fields if he fell to #14. Might surprise you as a Michigan fan I have actually watched a number of OSU games and have a pretty good feel for him. I do not watch a lot of video on guys from Wisconsin, Michigan, OSU, Sparty, Iowa or Gophers because I have a pretty good feel for those players. Maybe the OL guys and DB's a bit because sometimes you can find some iso stuff that doesn't come across in games. And fields is a lot different prospect as he is a lot more like Kyler Murray as a prospect, but did not play in as complicated an offense as Murray did. Oklahoma runs a pro style spread that is a lot easier get a feel for their players. I actually kind of like Fields as a prospect, but ignoring questions about his ability to function in a pro style offense is ignoring the entire debate around Fields. If you do not realize this is the most discussed issue regarding Fields I do not know what to tell you? And if you use comments by a person that actually supports questioning his ability to function as an NFL QB as support that he doesn't have those questions once again I do not know what to say? Daniel Jeremiah from the Ohio ST. Pro day "What do you think of the narrative of Fields being a 1 read guy?" Daniel Jeremiah; "I don't agree with it" "I can show you a ton of tape where his eyes are moving from 1 to 2 to 3 consistently..." "My issue was just being able to pull the trigger once you see it. Once you get to 2 or 3 just letting it rip, trusting what you see and let it rip." Jeremiah, a pro scout with 3 franchises, and an analyst paid for his knowledge and experience as a pro scout said,"when you do a little more homework, you see Ohio St. offense requires both the QB and WR to both make reads and be on the same page..." That is what makes it look like he is holding onto the ball sometimes..." "Fields played his best two games against Clemson and Alabama in the playoffs last year. On that stage against the best competition. His competitive toughness is off the charts!" "If you are talking about ceilings in this draft,I (Jeremiah) could make the argument that Fields has the highest in this draft!" So there you go, both Jeremiah and Brooks have high opinions on Fields, clearly higher than yours. Your comments where you say he has trouble with reads or processing information is baseless and you need to link or reference specifically where it is said. What I have quoted can be seen and I referenced that shows that it was said on. QBs are terribly rated every year, there are QB busts in every draft, nobody can say they know for sure what a QB will be in the NFL but I trust these two pro scouts more that a poster on the net. Bet against Fields if you want, statistically you have a better chance of being right than being wrong because 3 of the top 5 rated QBs will not be good. |
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Post by Vikeroo on Apr 3, 2021 10:41:09 GMT -6
His offense and the talent on it made him a 1 read QB. Bucky Brooks addressed this today, and it is a common falsehood about Fields, what he said was he has very active eyes that move from read to read well, what he needs to do at the next level is make decisions a bit quicker. This may have been due to him not needing to be in a hurry at OS due to the team around him. This is the definition of struggling with reads. He is the one questioning his processing and decision making ability, and then explaining he thinks it maybe because of the team around him? The only difference between what I was saying and Brooks said is he identified a problem with decision making in reads (slow processing) and I never questioned that. We both identify the team and offense he played in as being a limiting factor. I still do not understand WTF you are not understanding here? Sorry was attributing that to Jeremiah and it was Bucky Brooks comment. |
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Post by Vikeroo on Apr 3, 2021 11:37:18 GMT -6
He said he sees the field fine but has trouble processing and executing. That means he thinks he has trouble with reads. You need to look at Jeremiah's statements again. Dude you are going to go with it being a problem because I was typing his name with the common spelling of Elijah vs Alijah? You might want to re-read the rest of that exchange. Also re-read the same comments you are posting on. Jeremiah is the one who said he has trouble processing information and making quick decisions. I did not. Also since you obviously have not been paying attention I multiple times said I would draft or think about drafting Fields if he fell to #14. Might surprise you as a Michigan fan I have actually watched a number of OSU games and have a pretty good feel for him. I do not watch a lot of video on guys from Wisconsin, Michigan, OSU, Sparty, Iowa or Gophers because I have a pretty good feel for those players. Maybe the OL guys and DB's a bit because sometimes you can find some iso stuff that doesn't come across in games. And fields is a lot different prospect as he is a lot more like Kyler Murray as a prospect, but did not play in as complicated an offense as Murray did. Oklahoma runs a pro style spread that is a lot easier get a feel for their players. I actually kind of like Fields as a prospect, but ignoring questions about his ability to function in a pro style offense is ignoring the entire debate around Fields. If you do not realize this is the most discussed issue regarding Fields I do not know what to tell you? And if you use comments by a person that actually supports questioning his ability to function as an NFL QB as support that he doesn't have those questions once again I do not know what to say? Daniel Jeremiah from the Ohio ST. Pro day "What do you think of the narrative of Fields being a 1 read guy?" Daniel Jeremiah; "I don't agree with it" "I can show you a ton of tape where his eyes are moving from 1 to 2 to 3 consistently..." "My issue was just being able to pull the trigger once you see it. Once you get to 2 or 3 just letting it rip, trusting what you see and let it rip." Jeremiah, a pro scout with 3 franchises, and an analyst paid for his knowledge and experience as a pro scout said,"when you do a little more homework, you see Ohio St. offense requires both the QB and WR to both make reads and be on the same page..." That is what makes it look like he is holding onto the ball sometimes..." "Fields played his best two games against Clemson and Alabama in the playoffs last year. On that stage against the best competition. His competitive toughness is off the charts!" "If you are talking about ceilings in this draft,I (Jeremiah) could make the argument that Fields has the highest in this draft!" So there you go, both Jeremiah and Brooks have high opinions on Fields, clearly higher than yours. Your comments where you say he has trouble with reads or processing information is baseless and you need to link or reference specifically where it is said. What I have quoted can be seen and I referenced that shows that it was said on. QBs are terribly rated every year, there are QB busts in every draft, nobody can say they know for sure what a QB will be in the NFL but I trust these two pro scouts more that a poster on the net. Bet against Fields if you want, statistically you have a better chance of being right than being wrong because 3 of the top 5 rated QBs will not be good. Jeremiah is identifying the same issue in processing and executing as Brooks saying he progresses through 1,2, 3 reads all the time and has issues processing and executing. Then explains he and the receiver are making reads in route and that would be a 1 receiver focus and in the NFL QB and WR need to make those reads at the snap when the defense reveals itself so the QB knows where he is going when he is progressing through the reads. All of this once again the way he explains it identifies a problem with processing and executing on reads and partially blaming the offense for it. What I am saying is I am a layman and instead of trying to dissect the OSU offense for reasons I just say the offense he plays in is a limiting factor on evaluating him as a fan. The reason everyone talks about this issue is because it is the big issue for him, and that it is large enough of an issue it overshadows the fact he has the most mechanical issues of the top 5 QB's. Also his Bama game was not good and most folks think Lance has highest ceiling. |
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