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Post by purplevein on Oct 19, 2020 20:08:52 GMT -6
As Vikings fans, it seems like they are practically the worst team in the NFL, especially after the home blowout loss to the Falcons. But, checking the standings after Week 6, they are just one of ten teams with only one win or less (Jets). So, there actually are a bunch of crap teams, about one third of the league, that are in competition for the โTank for Trevorโ first overall draft pick.
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Post by flvike on Oct 19, 2020 20:14:29 GMT -6
As Vikings fans, it seems like they are practically the worst team in the NFL, especially after the home blowout loss to the Falcons. But, checking the standings after Week 6, they are just one of ten teams with only one win or less (Jets). So, there actually are a bunch of crap teams, about one third of the league, that are in competition for the โTank for Trevorโ first overall draft pick, I would do a Mike Ditka for Trevor, give the whole draft.
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Post by flvike on Oct 19, 2020 20:23:17 GMT -6
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Post by JR44 on Oct 19, 2020 21:02:51 GMT -6
There will be two big winners this year, the team that wins the Super Bowl and the team with the number one pick. Not sure if there has been a better QB prospect since Peyton Manning. There is more incentive for teams with no chance of making the playoffs to lose.
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Post by jaxvike on Oct 20, 2020 5:50:37 GMT -6
There will be two big winners this year, the team that wins the Super Bowl and the team with the number one pick. ย Not sure if there has been a better QB prospect since Peyton Manning. ย There is more incentive for teams with no chance of making the playoffs to lose. ย Id put Andrew Luck in there but I agree, not many prospects as good as him in the last 20 years
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Post by vike4real on Oct 20, 2020 6:15:36 GMT -6
Iโll say it again this team is not good enough to have to tank for a box of donuts let alone Trevor. The Falcons game should of proven that. The fact that all of Kurts 10 ints have come against vanilla defenses should put us in the drivers seat for the number one pick. I didnโt see 3 wins this season now Iโm not sure we get to 2 unless we play a team heading for the playoffs resting their starters. Oh wait we got smoked by Chicagoโs backups at home a couple years ago so thatโs not a given.
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Post by legion11 on Oct 20, 2020 6:58:31 GMT -6
Iโll say it again this team is not good enough to have to tank for a box of donuts let alone Trevor. The Falcons game should of proven that. The fact that all of Kurts 10 ints have come against vanilla defenses should put us in the drivers seat for the number one pick. I didnโt see 3 wins this season now Iโm not sure we get to 2 unless we play a team heading for the playoffs resting their starters. Oh wait we got smoked by Chicagoโs backups at home a couple years ago so thatโs not a given. Fair, but how many wins do you see for the Jets? I'm not sure they get even one. So you see, it's not enough for us to just continue being horrible. That win against the Texans gives the NYJ a leg up on us that I don't know we can get back. Are the Giants going to win another? Washington? Jacksonville? We're in some elite (in a bad way) company as the thread starter pointed out. Right now we could be picking anywhere from #2 all the way to #10 based solely on win totals. Thankfully the Eagles and Bengals played to a tie which puts them a half game up (down) on us.
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Post by mgb8 on Oct 20, 2020 7:30:44 GMT -6
Two of the 8 teams have 1 tie (Bengals, Eagles). The Chargers are 1-4, not 1-5. Still, the grouping is fairly close.
But a big difference is strength of schedule. The weakest games remaining on the Vikes schedule are the Jags, twice against the 2-3 Lions (who are a far better team this season), along with once against the middling Cowboys and Panthers. Of those, only the Jags are truly a weak team. Now, the Vikes could realistically sweep that grouping (but would be unlikely to win another game beyond that) and end up 6-10. But the Vikes could easily lose all of those games too - not take the Jags seriously enough, lose twice to the Lions, lose to Teddy and a better Panthers team, blow the game against the middling Cowboys. There's also an outside shot of a win against the Bears or Pack... but probably not this year.
The over under for Vikings wins is something like 3.5 wins at this point.
Eagles, Redskins and Giants have games against each other left, along with the Cowboys (division rivals giving them a better shot), and for the Giants and WFT, the Bengals. WFT also has the Panthers and Lions. Bengals have the Dolphins, Texans, WFT and Cowboys... plus twice against the Steelers (division rivals of a better, but flawed, team) and the Browns next week.
Chargers have the Jets, Jags (and vice versa) plus Broncos x2, Raiders x2 (better but flawed division rival), Fins and middling Patriots. Jags and Texans have each other, the Bengals, yada yada. Texans also have the middling Pats. Falcons have the Chargers, Broncos, Panthers (division rival), and could easily take a game against the Saints or Bucs (much better but flawed teams) etc.
While the Jets seem to have a lock on the #1 pick (and I think would be likely to trade Darnold if that happens), after that, who knows. Based on strength of schedule, Giants and WFT likely have a similar 3.5ish over/under, ditto the Bengals, Jags, Texans. Chargers by virtue of having the Jets on the schedule likely have a 4 or 4.5 over/under on total wins. Point being that while the Vikes are probably a better team, at least talent wise, than most of the other bottom tier teams - they very likely may end up with a worse record.
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Post by 2012mom on Oct 20, 2020 8:09:23 GMT -6
Two of the 8 teams have 1 tie (Bengals, Eagles).ย The Chargers are 1-4, not 1-5.ย ย Still, the grouping is fairly close. But a big difference is strength of schedule.ย The weakest games remaining on the Vikes schedule are the Jags, twice against the 2-3 Lions (who are a far better team this season), along with once against the middling Cowboys and Panthers.ย Of those, only the Jags are truly a weak team.ย Now, the Vikes could realistically sweep that grouping (but would be unlikely to win another game beyond that) and end up 6-10.ย But the Vikes could easily lose all of those games too - not take the Jags seriously enough, lose twice to the Lions, lose to Teddy and a better Panthers team, blow the game against the middling Cowboys.ย There's also an outside shot of a win against the Bears or Pack... but probably not this year.ย The over under for Vikings wins is something like 3.5 wins at this point.ย Eagles, Redskins and Giants have games against each other left, along with the Cowboys (division rivals giving them a better shot), and for the Giants and WFT, the Bengals.ย WFT also has the Panthers and Lions.ย Bengals have the Dolphins, Texans, WFT and Cowboys... plus twice against the Steelers (division rivals of a better, but flawed, team) and the Browns next week.ย Chargers have the Jets, Jags (and vice versa) plus Broncos x2, Raiders x2 (better but flawed division rival), Fins and middling Patriots.ย Jags and Texans have each other, the Bengals, yada yada. Texans also have the middling Pats. Falcons have the Chargers, Broncos, Panthers (division rival), and could easily take a game against the Saints or Bucs (much better but flawed teams) etc.ย While the Jets seem to have a lock on the #1 pick (and I think would be likely to trade Darnold if that happens), after that, who knows. Based on strength of schedule, Giants and WFT likely have a similar 3.5ish over/under, ditto the Bengals, Jags, Texans.ย Chargers by virtue of having the Jets on the schedule likely have a 4 or 4.5 over/under on total wins.ย Point being that while the Vikes are probably a better team, at least talent wise, than most of the other bottom tier teams - they very likely may end up with a worse record.ย I don't see the Jets winning a game, although they might stumble into one. The thing is, the Vikings will find a way to break our hearts, so I'm sure they will win a few more games, enough to miss out on Trevor and probably Justin Fields.
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Post by shawn3458 on Oct 20, 2020 9:49:21 GMT -6
If Spielman had the #1 overall pick I am afraid he would trade out of it to to the #2 overall pick just to get a 2nd rounder back again.
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Post by drhoades on Oct 20, 2020 12:29:27 GMT -6
Two of the 8 teams have 1 tie (Bengals, Eagles). The Chargers are 1-4, not 1-5. Still, the grouping is fairly close. But a big difference is strength of schedule. The weakest games remaining on the Vikes schedule are the Jags, twice against the 2-3 Lions (who are a far better team this season), along with once against the middling Cowboys and Panthers. Of those, only the Jags are truly a weak team. Now, the Vikes could realistically sweep that grouping (but would be unlikely to win another game beyond that) and end up 6-10. But the Vikes could easily lose all of those games too - not take the Jags seriously enough, lose twice to the Lions, lose to Teddy and a better Panthers team, blow the game against the middling Cowboys. There's also an outside shot of a win against the Bears or Pack... but probably not this year. The over under for Vikings wins is something like 3.5 wins at this point. Eagles, Redskins and Giants have games against each other left, along with the Cowboys (division rivals giving them a better shot), and for the Giants and WFT, the Bengals. WFT also has the Panthers and Lions. Bengals have the Dolphins, Texans, WFT and Cowboys... plus twice against the Steelers (division rivals of a better, but flawed, team) and the Browns next week. Chargers have the Jets, Jags (and vice versa) plus Broncos x2, Raiders x2 (better but flawed division rival), Fins and middling Patriots. Jags and Texans have each other, the Bengals, yada yada. Texans also have the middling Pats. Falcons have the Chargers, Broncos, Panthers (division rival), and could easily take a game against the Saints or Bucs (much better but flawed teams) etc. While the Jets seem to have a lock on the #1 pick (and I think would be likely to trade Darnold if that happens), after that, who knows. Based on strength of schedule, Giants and WFT likely have a similar 3.5ish over/under, ditto the Bengals, Jags, Texans. Chargers by virtue of having the Jets on the schedule likely have a 4 or 4.5 over/under on total wins. Point being that while the Vikes are probably a better team, at least talent wise, than most of the other bottom tier teams - they very likely may end up with a worse record. I don't see the Jets winning a game, although they might stumble into one. The thing is, the Vikings will find a way to break our hearts, so I'm sure they will win a few more games, enough to miss out on Trevor and probably Justin Fields. I am not trying to be a jerk here but i just cannot imagine calling our team winning a heartbreak because we think an amateur player who has never played a down in the NFL (and may never if the percentages play out as per usual) is something i am pining away for hoping my team will lose so they can roll the dice for said amateur. SMH
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Post by 2012mom on Oct 20, 2020 14:03:41 GMT -6
I don't see the Jets winning a game, although they might stumble into one. The thing is, the Vikings will find a way to break our hearts, so I'm sure they will win a few more games, enough to miss out on Trevor and probably Justin Fields. I am not trying to be a jerk here but i just cannot imagine calling our team winning a heartbreak because we think an amateur player who has never played a down in the NFL (and may never if the percentages play out as per usual) is something i am pining away for hoping my team will lose so they can roll the dice for said amateur. SMH No, you're not being a jerk, you make a good point. The Vikings DO have a history of breaking our hearts, though. I will say that Trevor Lawrence is not just "some amateur." He probably has the best shot at an outstanding NFL QB career since Peyton Manning.
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Post by mg415 on Oct 20, 2020 18:23:45 GMT -6
I am not trying to be a jerk here but i just cannot imagine calling our team winning a heartbreak because we think an amateur player who has never played a down in the NFL (and may never if the percentages play out as per usual) is something i am pining away for hoping my team will lose so they can roll the dice for said amateur. SMH No, you're not being a jerk, you make a good point. The Vikings DO have a history of breaking our hearts, though. I will say that Trevor Lawrence is not just "some amateur." He probably has the best shot at an outstanding NFL QB career since Peyton Manning. Best thing about Trevor Lawrence is he ain't Kirk C.
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Post by RF54 on Oct 20, 2020 18:35:38 GMT -6
I am not trying to be a jerk here but i just cannot imagine calling our team winning a heartbreak because we think an amateur player who has never played a down in the NFL (and may never if the percentages play out as per usual) is something i am pining away for hoping my team will lose so they can roll the dice for said amateur. SMH No, you're not being a jerk, you make a good point. The Vikings DO have a history of breaking our hearts, though. I will say that Trevor Lawrence is not just "some amateur." He probably has the best shot at an outstanding NFL QB career since Peyton Manning. This/\
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