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Post by flvike on Jan 12, 2020 21:50:22 GMT -6
It is not rocket science. When the other team is crowding the line with 7-8 guys you don't keep playing right into it with 3 TE sets. The Saints scored 46 on them and they did that by spreading out the offense and making the 49ers spread their defense out. We just kept running the same plays expecting different results which is what Stefanski has done all year. Go back and look at the GB game and he did the same thing. He is far from proven as an OC. Your riight, He is far from proven as an OC, and I see your point about spreading them out, but they still have to be able to block the other guys. The o line was a step slow. Maybe once in a while the vikes should actually practice on grass when they are going to be playing on grass. Maybe once in a while the vikes should actually practice. |
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Post by kato70s on Jan 12, 2020 21:56:50 GMT -6
Your riight, He is far from proven as an OC, and I see your point about spreading them out, but they still have to be able to block the other guys. The o line was a step slow. Maybe once in a while the vikes should actually practice on grass when they are going to be playing on grass.Β Maybe once in a while the vikes should actually practice. Didnt 19 get spiked practicing on grass this past week? |
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Post by covike61 on Jan 12, 2020 21:58:44 GMT -6
Stefanski mailed it in just like Shurmur did in 2017 knowing they have new gigs the following year. NFL needs to change the rules to keep teams from interviewing coaches until their seasons are officially over
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Post by flvike on Jan 12, 2020 22:20:06 GMT -6
Maybe once in a while the vikes should actually practice. Didnt 19 get spiked practicing on grass this past week? that was the rumor |
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Post by 2012mom on Jan 12, 2020 22:47:52 GMT -6
Stefanski mailed it in just like Shurmur did in 2017 knowing they have new gigs the following year. NFL needs to change the rules to keep teams from interviewing coaches until their seasons are officially over Better yet, no interviews for coaching changes until Pro Bowl weekend or just after the SB. |
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Post by franklin99 on Jan 12, 2020 22:57:37 GMT -6
Stefanski mailed it in just like Shurmur did in 2017 knowing they have new gigs the following year. NFL needs to change the rules to keep teams from interviewing coaches until their seasons are officially over Better yet, no interviews for coaching changes until Pro Bowl weekend or just after the SB. This all makes too much sense. They'd never go for it. |
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Post by studwellisgod on Jan 13, 2020 7:22:33 GMT -6
It's hard to do anything against a team that is bigger and faster and your o line is getting their collective butts thrown around on every play, running or passing. I don't know what Stefanski could of done about that. It is not rocket science. When the other team is crowding the line with 7-8 guys you don't keep playing right into it with 3 TE sets. The Saints scored 46 on them and they did that by spreading out the offense and making the 49ers spread their defense out. We just kept running the same plays expecting different results which is what Stefanski has done all year. Go back and look at the GB game and he did the same thing. He is far from proven as an OC. While I agree, the question remains, is that Zimmer or OC? I am starting to see a pattern here, it's all pointing to Zimmer. |
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Post by markyj0512 on Jan 13, 2020 7:36:16 GMT -6
It is not rocket science. Β When the other team is crowding the line with 7-8 guys you don't keep playing right into it with 3 TE sets. Β The Saints scored 46 on them and they did that by spreading out the offense and making the 49ers spread their defense out. Β We just kept running the same plays expecting different results which is what Stefanski has done all year. Β Go back and look at the GB game and he did the same thing. Β He is far from proven as an OC. Β While I agree, the question remains, is that Zimmer or OC?Β I am starting to see a pattern here, it's all pointing to Zimmer. It has to be Zimmer, he's the common thread for our offensive struggles. Everybody knows Zimmer loves to run the ball, play conservative, and shorten the game. Zim overriding his OC and demanding run plays would certainly explain some of the questionable and tempo-killing switches from hurry-up passing to 1st down run, 2nd down run, 3rd down incomplete pass, punt. |
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Post by brda on Jan 13, 2020 11:36:45 GMT -6
Klint Kubiak has no experience calling plays and he's somehow going to be better than Stefanski who had a little over 1 season of playcalling experience? The only Kubiak I think the Vikings should want as OC is Gary. I really wonder if Stefanski doesn't try to bring Klint with him. They're supposed to be friends and Klint would be able to get the promotion to "OC" with Stefanski actually calling the plays as HC/OC. To keep Gary you would have to move Klint to OC, Gary would be basically calling the plays anyway. Otherwise Stefanski is going to hire Klint and Gary's going with him. Huge mistake taking Klint just to please Gary. Gary might leave just so that credit is not given to him but his son, and speed his path to a HC. Personally does not look like Klint has all that much NFL experience. Certainly has never called offensive plays. Does anyone know how long Gary even plans to stay and coach. Remember after 2016 Gary retired from HC position of the Broncos. Coaching career Texas A&M Kubiak started his coaching career at Texas A&M University as a offensive quality control coach from 2010β11 and as a graduate assistant and inside receivers coach in 2012. During his three years with the Aggies, Kubiak earned his master's degree in human resource development.[2] Minnesota Vikings In 2013, Kubiak was hired by the Minnesota Vikings as an offensive quality control and assistant wide receivers coach under offensive coordinators Bill Musgrave (2013) and Norv Turner (2014). Kansas In 2015, Kubiak accepted a position at the University of Kansas to coach the wide receivers. Denver Broncos On February 22, 2016, Kubiak was hired by the Denver Broncos as an offensive assistant while his father, Gary Kubiak, was the head coach of the team. During the 2017 season, Kubiak assumed responsibilities as the primary quarterbacks coach for the final six weeks of the regular season after Bill Musgrave was promoted to offensive coordinator.[3] Minnesota Vikings (second stint) On January 14, 2019, Kubiak was hired by the Minnesota Vikings as their quarterbacks coach under offensive coordinator Kevin Stefanski.[4] |
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Post by tbro on Jan 13, 2020 13:57:35 GMT -6
It is not rocket science. When the other team is crowding the line with 7-8 guys you don't keep playing right into it with 3 TE sets. The Saints scored 46 on them and they did that by spreading out the offense and making the 49ers spread their defense out. We just kept running the same plays expecting different results which is what Stefanski has done all year. Go back and look at the GB game and he did the same thing. He is far from proven as an OC. Your riight, He is far from proven as an OC, and I see your point about spreading them out, but they still have to be able to block the other guys. The o line was a step slow. Maybe once in a while the vikes should actually practice on grass when they are going to be playing on grass. Besides our Weenie Sized OLine which was constantly manhandled by the Elite Defenses this year, this coaching staff rarely seemed to have a Plan B or C when their original game plan failed. If G. Kubiak was so involved in the Game Planning with Stefanski and the rest of the staff, how does that even happen? We were too one dimensional and when the running game wasn't working, we had nothing else. This is what scares me the most about promoting from within and keeping the synergy Zim wants. We will get more of the same vanilla running attack with an OLine that is nowhere near as dominant as Tennessee or the 49ers. |
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Post by eternalpurple on Jan 13, 2020 14:32:18 GMT -6
I was asking if u let "back ups" go does that mean "starters" (Zim Rick) are therefore projected to stick around longer than 1 more yr. If they are going to keep Zimmer on then they better get it done and give him some leverage with potential assistants. The longer it goes without Zimmer getting an extension the less likely it is he will get one. |
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Post by eternalpurple on Jan 13, 2020 14:34:55 GMT -6
Stefanski mailed it in just like Shurmur did in 2017 knowing they have new gigs the following year. NFL needs to change the rules to keep teams from interviewing coaches until their seasons are officially over Agreed. |
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Post by tbro on Jan 13, 2020 15:12:13 GMT -6
Stefanski mailed it in just like Shurmur did in 2017 knowing they have new gigs the following year. NFL needs to change the rules to keep teams from interviewing coaches until their seasons are officially over Agreed. Do you honestly believe that? If he really wanted the Browns job, and knowing he was one of three candidates in consideration, wouldn't he have put up his best effort as a final proof of concept to secure the job? Especially when one of the other candidates was your adversary on the defensive side of the ball? I don't like interviewing during the playoffs, but it's the current practice in the NFL and something playoff teams have to deal with. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2020 17:21:58 GMT -6
Do you honestly believe that? If he really wanted the Browns job, and knowing he was one of three candidates in consideration, wouldn't he have put up his best effort as a final proof of concept to secure the job? Especially when one of the other candidates was your adversary on the defensive side of the ball? I don't like interviewing during the playoffs, but it's the current practice in the NFL and something playoff teams have to deal with.Β [br I'm sure that was his best effort with the cards he was dealt |
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Post by purpleberserker on Jan 13, 2020 17:36:55 GMT -6
Besides our Weenie Sized OLine which was constantly manhandled by the Elite Defenses this year, this coaching staff rarely seemed to have a Plan B or C when their original game plan failed. If G. Kubiak was so involved in the Game Planning with Stefanski and the rest of the staff, how does that even happen? We were too one dimensional and when the running game wasn't working, we had nothing else. This is what scares me the most about promoting from within and keeping the synergy Zim wants. We will get more of the same vanilla running attack with an OLine that is nowhere near as dominant as Tennessee or the 49ers. People keep talking about Plan B or Plan C. IMO there is no "plan" that is going to stop the 49er's D-line from owning the Viking's O-line in that game. If you try to ditch the running game, you can spread them out all you want but Cousin's would be running for his life if their D-line has no fear of being run on - which is pretty much what happened anyway. If you can't run block or pass block, what is the in-game answer for that? Regardless of who you are, some teams are better match-ups for you than others and this 49er's team was not a good match-up for the Vikings. People keep pointing out what the Saints did against them or this or that team did against them. Well, their defense had been banged up and missing players for several weeks. They got those guys back, generally got healthy and were well-rested due to their bye week - that made a difference. The Vikings on the other hand were missing some players and were traveling on a short week. They were in it in the 1st half but the D looked gassed in the 2nd. Also, the offense just didn't make the plays when they had the opportunity. On the pick by Sherman, Thielen got owned on his route on what was likely a timing type of pass. That was a turning point. And later, Diggs bobbled/dropped the long pass in the red zone before he even got hit by the defender. Change just those 2 plays and who knows how the momentum and game play out? Anyway, no matter how you look at it, it was a disappointing game. The Vikings still had a better season the 78% of the league. I get that that isn't enough for a lot of long-suffering fans, but it could be a lot worse. |
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