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Post by Vikeroo on Apr 8, 2024 0:31:40 GMT -6
I am interested what chart you are looking at most I have seen said Houston gave up value in the trade. Guess it depends on how a chart values future picks. Generally a future pick is downgraded to a top of the next round for trading purposes so a future 2nd is viewed as a top end 3rd for value. Hereβs an article from Pro Football Network www.profootballnetwork.com/who-won-vikings-texans-pre-draft-trade-nfl-draft-trade-value-chart/ Who Won the Trade? NFL Draft Trade Value Chart Picks an Obvious Winner While itβs an aggressive move by the Vikings to attack their roster now, according to one NFL Draft trade value chart by Over the Cap, itβs clear that the Texans got the better end of this trade. Each pick in the draft is assigned a value, with the range in scale going as high as 3,000 for the No. 1 overall pick, all the way to 190 for the last selection. With the Texans receiving picks 42 (1,106), 188 (346), and a 2025 second-round pick (valued as the lowest second-round selection for fairness 687), Houston netted a total point intake of 2,139. The Vikings, who are looking for the here and now when it comes to talent acquisition with the upward move, collected picks No. 23 (1,411) and No. 232 (240), totaling 1,651. Minnesota secured the early selection in this yearβs draft giving them the earliest picks and the chance to attack the best talent in this yearβs draft, but overall, Houston won the trade by a significant margin. Any scale that has a 5th round pick being worth the difference between pick 23 and 42 is subject. I cant even understand their scale? By their scale you could trade 4 or 5 7ths to get into the back of the first round. |
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Post by mjollnir on Apr 8, 2024 7:20:41 GMT -6
This entire thread is a answer looking for a problem. Who gives a crap who initiated it, by the OP's inference they seem to think the Vikings were not looking to gain capital. Well the fact the trade happened should be proof enough they were..... but no in some convoluted way KAM was asleep at the wheel.
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Post by shawn3458 on Apr 8, 2024 13:41:54 GMT -6
Any chart that devalues a future 2nd that much is laughable. |
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Post by lancep1 on Apr 8, 2024 17:36:40 GMT -6
Has anyone got an idea of which chart Kwesi follows on his evaluation? Iβve never been able to narrow it down with any consistency
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Post by 1angryviking on Apr 8, 2024 18:41:15 GMT -6
Has anyone got an idea of which chart Kwesi follows on his evaluation? Iβve never been able to narrow it down with any consistency I think that every trade scenario is different and personally I don't want the GM making franchise decisions based off a subjective draft value chart that someone else valued... especially if it was made 30+ years ago. |
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Post by taz24 on Apr 8, 2024 19:57:20 GMT -6
Kwesi consistently uses the I am GM and fk the guys that won't like the trade regardless of what I do chart.
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Post by skolvike on Apr 12, 2024 15:53:51 GMT -6
I was really under the belief that the Kwesi was the one making the moves to make sure we had the ammo to move & get a top 5 pick. That perhaps we even had a wink wink deal of we will take 11 & 23 if youβre guy is there. Man I hope itβs BS that it was the Texans doing since most trade charts say we lost in terms of value. It better not keep being that Kwesi is the punching bag for the rest of the GMβs in the NFL. I felt really good about us risking it to get the franchise QB we all want but maybe itβs wait and see who drops & get another piece to the defense. πππ€π€π€·π€· Trade charts don't throw TDs. We certainly didn't lose anything if that trade gives us the ammunition to find that elusive franchise QB this team has never had since Tarkenton retired. Yes, that includes Daunte. |
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Post by skolvike on Apr 12, 2024 16:00:45 GMT -6
This entire thread is a answer looking for a problem. Who gives a crap who initiated it, by the OP's inference they seem to think the Vikings were not looking to gain capital. Well the fact the trade happened should be proof enough they were..... but no in some convoluted way KAM was asleep at the wheel. One only needs to ask one question. How did the Texans know the Vikings were even interested in trading for another 1st rounder? I think it's a reach to think the Texans simply cold called KAM and asked if he'd like another arrow in his quivver for a trade up. I think it's much more likely that at best the Texans simply tossed out a line to the NFL in general that they were prepared to trade out of the first and KAM bit. A fisherman might initiate the catch with a cast, but the fish still has to accept the bait to get hooked, doesn't he? |
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Post by blackmagic7 on Apr 12, 2024 16:12:49 GMT -6
This entire thread is a answer looking for a problem.Β Who gives a crap who initiated it, by the OP's inference they seem to think the Vikings were not looking to gain capital.Β Well the fact the trade happened should be proof enough they were..... but no in some convoluted way KAM was asleep at the wheel.Β One only needs to ask one question. How did the Texans know the Vikings were even interested in trading for another 1st rounder? I think it's a reach to think the Texans simply cold called KAM and asked if he'd like another arrow in his quivver for a trade up. I think it's much more likely that at best the Texans simply tossed out a line to the NFL in general that they were prepared to trade out of the first and KAM bit. A fisherman might initiate the catch with a cast, but the fish still has to accept the bait to get hooked, doesn't he? Did we ever actually get an article, pre trade, that suggested we were in the market? Ala, "Dalvin Cook is available" "Update, one team is about to pull the trigger!" "Call now!" Us making calls is a really easy assumption. Not to say it's wrong or we didn't but it kinda goes without saying. We certainly should have if that's what we want to do. |
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Post by skolvike on Apr 12, 2024 16:46:38 GMT -6
One only needs to ask one question. How did the Texans know the Vikings were even interested in trading for another 1st rounder? I think it's a reach to think the Texans simply cold called KAM and asked if he'd like another arrow in his quivver for a trade up. I think it's much more likely that at best the Texans simply tossed out a line to the NFL in general that they were prepared to trade out of the first and KAM bit. A fisherman might initiate the catch with a cast, but the fish still has to accept the bait to get hooked, doesn't he? Did we ever actually get an article, pre trade, that suggested we were in the market? Ala, "Dalvin Cook is available" "Update, one team is about to pull the trigger!" "Call now!" Us making calls is a really easy assumption. Not to say it's wrong or we didn't but it kinda goes without saying. We certainly should have if that's what we want to do. What percent of actual NFL dickering gets an article written about it? 90% or 9%? I'd lean harder toward the 9%. GMs don't generally like to negotiate in the media, so whether an article got written aobut it or not is immaterial. If the Texans and the Vikigs are both happy witht he trade, who cares what some arbitarliy assigned meaningless values have to say about it? Texans got what they wanted and so did the Vikings. Win win. |
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Post by blackmagic7 on Apr 12, 2024 22:07:01 GMT -6
Did we ever actually get an article, pre trade, that suggested we were in the market? Ala, "Dalvin Cook is available" "Update, one team is about to pull the trigger!" "Call now!" Us making calls is a really easy assumption. Not to say it's wrong or we didn't but it kinda goes without saying. We certainly should have if that's what we want to do. What percent of actual NFL dickering gets an article written about it? 90% or 9%? I'd lean harder toward the 9%. GMs don't generally like to negotiate in the media, so whether an article got written aobut it or not is immaterial. If the Texans and the Vikigs are both happy witht he trade, who cares what some arbitarliy assigned meaningless values have to say about it? Texans got what they wanted and so did the Vikings. Win win. Not sure what we're talking about anymore. When we tried to trade Dalvin how'd we go about it? Seriously. A bullshit leak to the media to drum up interest when there was none. Funny thing is, I don't have an article to support that. It's just what every team does when they want to get rid of a guy for free; they advertise it via the media. I get the circumstance are different. The material point of asking about an article was still advertising. Teams do it all of the time. The Vikings aren't the center of other team's universe (we're talking convincing a team to move out of the 1st round). I don't recall a big public awareness that we were trying to gain extra picks in real time. The trade fit a common sense idea (trading up for QB) and it became a part of a canned narrative. We still seem to be short on getting into taking Daniels. One that completely could happen. How do teams know we are interested in trading up? Because we left some voicemails or because it's the hottest (most obvious) story of the offseason? I've been reading the Vikings media fairy tales, written from real news, every single day written in color crayons. From "us being aggressive," to us most certainly packaging up picks as an operative fact, to all in at McCarthy at 4, to the Legend of McCarthy, to a shitcoin dump of back peddling stories to "the plan" being other QBs now before we've currently arrived at articles about full sending it for Daniels. It's quite amusing how every single offseason we go through this draft wringer and never take anything with a grain of salt. Constant media experts on what we're doing. Folks who operate with these narrative off-season reports as absolute fact, instead of viewing the draft as the ultimate truth, will be the ones who are extra opinionate and surprised when the draft forks or we do something different. I do not care who won the Vikings/Texans trade. I like the trade. It was a stupid joke I should have deleted yesterday. Texans logo = bull. Schefter's comments = shit. I wasn't saying we screwed up. I was ribbing on the seriousness. Do some of you think the Texans contacting us indeed means we screwed up and you don't want to complain while things seem to be going right? (It's all rhetorical. The end.  ) |
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Post by dougpaschal on Apr 13, 2024 11:10:32 GMT -6
Report: Vikings Trying To Preserve Pick 23 In Trade Talks
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Post by shawn3458 on Apr 13, 2024 16:51:12 GMT -6
Report: Vikings Trying To Preserve Pick 23 In Trade Talks So they are more willing to give up a 2025 1st than the #23 this year? Something is rotten in Denmark. |
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Post by mjollnir on Apr 15, 2024 7:21:43 GMT -6
It all depends on the target of the trade. If it is moving up into the top 5 (3) 1st rounds are a bit steep. If it is for a player yet to be named and is #11 and a 25 1st rounder, well it all depends on who that player is.
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Post by taz24 on Apr 15, 2024 18:32:50 GMT -6
I would keep #23 over next years #1. Hope that Jackson-Powers or Murphy Jr or Jerzahn Newton were still on the board.
Just my opinion. I aso like a couple of the other interior lineman that will likely be available at 23.
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