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Post by skolvike on Apr 6, 2024 21:52:00 GMT -6
We are in the midst of a very rare condition where the Vikings are actually in a reasonable position to trade up into the stratosphere where the QBs with the best percentages of making it in the NFL will be drafted. Think about this highly unlikely chain of events that got us to this giddy-invoking point in Purple history:
1. After 6 years, the Vikings suddenly decide they've had enough of KC and tell him they won't extend him for another oil tanker full of money. He goes into the year with no future contract on the table for the first time.
2. Cousins is playing lights out football after the team fumbled away the first 3 games, then gets a non contact injury that puts him out for the rest of the season. It's his first major injury in 12 years in the league.
3. Mullens is injured so they sign Dobbs, the epitome of the NFL vagabond, as the BU to Hall who gets his bell rung in his 1st drive. Vikes end the season 7-10 to draft 11th in 2024.
4. Cousins signs a 4 year contract with the Falcons in FA for 100 mil guaranteed. Vikings need to draft a top QB, but sit at 11. Early draft speculations have them offering 3 1sts, 2024, 25, and 26, which will probably be too rich. Chances seem slim since there are several teams who can offer better capital.
5. Suddenly Vikings complete a trade with the Texans for their #23, and the Vikings now have the best capital of any team wanting to move up with 2 picks this year. 2025 pick is a maybe, but 2026 #1 is safe. Chances are at least 50-50 that they can complete a deal for that hopefully franchise QB.
6. The salary cap looks bleak after Cousins' departure, leaving the Vikings with a 28.5 million cap hit. Vikings also let Davenport walk for an additional 6.8 mil cap hit for a total of 35.3 mil. Other various releases push the total dead cap hit to 47 mil.
7. No sooner does that happen then the League announces the cap will increase 30 mil, wiping out Cousins' dead cap hit and leaving the Vikings with only 17 mil from all other players. Vikings immediately start signing Tier 1 Defensive players and an experienced vet QB as a bridge with the 40 mil not going to anyone named Kirk Cousins.
8. By eating all the dead cap left from purging the roster this year, the Vikings will have well over 100 mil in cap space available AND will have several comp picks from the purge as well.
A lot of this is nothing short of brilliant executive planning by Kwesi, whether the KAM slammers want to admit it or not. Sure, some of it is pure luck -- and in the case of Kirk's injury, BAD luck to begin with. Luck or skill, I can't remember a more fortunate string of events ever happening to the Vikings, and I've got a long memory of them.
I'm really excited to see where this string of events takes us. Let's hope it continues!
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Post by jhjackhammer on Apr 7, 2024 0:14:45 GMT -6
The only problem is that all of this good work can be ruined by one big move this year. If they spend future picks to move up and pick the wrong guy, everything will have been for nothing.
But, I think they have done the right thing and we have to try and find the QB of our future.
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Post by frantheman10 on Apr 7, 2024 7:13:56 GMT -6
I agree with KAMβs off-season moves but calling it brilliance is a bit of a stretch. A bunch of us on this board have been saying for years that we need to move off Kirkβs big contract and reset the cap. We couldnβt keep kicking the cap can down the road indefinitely with void years. I disagree on signing Tier 1 FAs. Except for the edge guy from Houston, we didnβt sign anyone in the top 50 of available GAs. Not KAMβs fault as we had a lot of holes to fill . KAM did the obvious and set us up to get a young QB and open up cap for 2025. As the previous poster said, hopefully we hit on the QB.
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Post by skolvike on Apr 7, 2024 10:39:18 GMT -6
The only problem is that all of this good work can be ruined by one big move this year. If they spend future picks to move up and pick the wrong guy, everything will have been for nothing. But, I think they have done the right thing and we have to try and find the QB of our future. Who is the wrong guy? All 3 of the guys in question have pros and cons, so whomever they pick needs to sit for a year at least behind Darnold and learn how to be an NFL QB. I wonder how many of this fan base will scream "He's a BUST!" if he doesn't start Game 1? Now ask yourself how many top draft picks started game 1 and sucked, but might have been great if they had been allowed to develop first. If there's one thing Kwesi has shown in his 3 years here, it's he knows how to be patient. He had a plan and he stuck to it, and that's why the team is sitting in great cap condition. So great, actually, that even if the new QB does bust, they have enough cap space to build a strong team with 1st tier 2nd contract FAs instead of just a herd of JAGs. I wonder how many people recognize what Kwesi did here. Kwesi didn't extend Cousins last year to everyone's surprise. I think he was tired of the circle the team was on -- extend Cousins, win 10-11 games and a WC, get blown one and done, pick in the middle to high teens again, extend cousins, rinse and repeat ad infinitum. I believe he was willing to lose a lot of games in 2024 for the chance of a high 2025 draft position for a QB. Then Cousins was out for the year and they had to scramble for a QB. Vikes go 7-10, and snag the 11th overall pick. For the first time since 2012 the Vikings had a shot at a top QB in the draft, and Kwesi is doing everything he can to grab one THIS year instead of waiting. One thing you can be sure of. Even if they don't get a QB, and even of they do and he's Ryan Leaf 2.0, none of this is for nothing. There's too much talent on this team to be "nothing." I think 2024 is going to be one hell of a ride, and I'm looking forward to it. |
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Post by skolvike on Apr 7, 2024 11:22:06 GMT -6
I agree with KAMβs off-season moves but calling it brilliance is a bit of a stretch. A bunch of us on this board have been saying for years that we need to move off Kirkβs big contract and reset the cap. We couldnβt keep kicking the cap can down the road indefinitely with void years. I disagree on signing Tier 1 FAs. Except for the edge guy from Houston, we didnβt sign anyone in the top 50 of available GAs. Not KAMβs fault as we had a lot of holes to fill . KAM did the obvious and set us up to get a young QB and open up cap for 2025. As the previous poster said, hopefully we hit on the QB. I didn't say KAM's offesason moves were brilliant,, I said his plans over the last 3 years were brilliant (Minus his first draft. Ugh.) He immediately began purging players with large contracts who were no longer playing up to them and continued it through this year and it will result in the largest cap space I think I've ever seen the Vikings have. There was a bunch of you who hated Cousins from the moment he got here. You are the same group who likes to tell us all the time that the regualar seasn is irrelevant unless they go to the SB. There is a group here that doesn't agree with you on either issue. Let's just leave it at that. I don't care what talking heads listed who as the top FAs. What I care about is who Brain Flores wanted for his D, and that's who KAM got. The thing with any list fo "top players" is top players for whom and for what scheme? These guys KAM signed fit what Flores wants to develop, and that's good enough for me. Your major problem is you've been a Viking fan too long, my friend. We are conditioned not so much for failure as we are for catastrophic fuckups, if you know what I mean. 41 donut. Favre's cross body INT. Anderson's miss. Poole's 4th down TD. Staubachs' 4th down Hail Mary and Pearson's push off. Saints' bounty hunting. It sears the psyche, but we need to look at what is happening today, and I'm trying to haul my psyche out of the gutter of legendary fuckups into the hope of this 21st century. A lot of Vikings fans need to give it a shot as well. |
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Post by Vikeroo on Apr 7, 2024 15:20:42 GMT -6
The only problem is that all of this good work can be ruined by one big move this year. If they spend future picks to move up and pick the wrong guy, everything will have been for nothing. But, I think they have done the right thing and we have to try and find the QB of our future. Who is the wrong guy? All 3 of the guys in question have pros and cons, so whomever they pick needs to sit for a year at least behind Darnold and learn how to be an NFL QB. I wonder how many of this fan base will scream "He's a BUST!" if he doesn't start Game 1? Now ask yourself how many top draft picks started game 1 and sucked, but might have been great if they had been allowed to develop first. If there's one thing Kwesi has shown in his 3 years here, it's he knows how to be patient. He had a plan and he stuck to it, and that's why the team is sitting in great cap condition. So great, actually, that even if the new QB does bust, they have enough cap space to build a strong team with 1st tier 2nd contract FAs instead of just a herd of JAGs. I wonder how many people recognize what Kwesi did here. Kwesi didn't extend Cousins last year to everyone's surprise. I think he was tired of the circle the team was on -- extend Cousins, win 10-11 games and a WC, get blown one and done, pick in the middle to high teens again, extend cousins, rinse and repeat ad infinitum. I believe he was willing to lose a lot of games in 2024 for the chance of a high 2025 draft position for a QB. Then Cousins was out for the year and they had to scramble for a QB. Vikes go 7-10, and snag the 11th overall pick. For the first time since 2012 the Vikings had a shot at a top QB in the draft, and Kwesi is doing everything he can to grab one THIS year instead of waiting. One thing you can be sure of. Even if they don't get a QB, and even of they do and he's Ryan Leaf 2.0, none of this is for nothing. There's too much talent on this team to be "nothing." I think 2024 is going to be one hell of a ride, and I'm looking forward to it. I expect a 1st round rookie will play sometime during the season unless Darnold explodes. I do not expect Darnold to explode and become a franchise QB all the sudden. Even Mahomes started 1 game his rookie year. When a young QB is ready you play him. Expecting one not to play year 1 is no ddifferent then expecting them to start week 1. An absolutist position. |
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Post by jhjackhammer on Apr 7, 2024 17:06:43 GMT -6
The only problem is that all of this good work can be ruined by one big move this year. If they spend future picks to move up and pick the wrong guy, everything will have been for nothing. But, I think they have done the right thing and we have to try and find the QB of our future. Who is the wrong guy? All 3 of the guys in question have pros and cons, so whomever they pick needs to sit for a year at least behind Darnold and learn how to be an NFL QB. I wonder how many of this fan base will scream "He's a BUST!" if he doesn't start Game 1? Now ask yourself how many top draft picks started game 1 and sucked, but might have been great if they had been allowed to develop first. If there's one thing Kwesi has shown in his 3 years here, it's he knows how to be patient. He had a plan and he stuck to it, and that's why the team is sitting in great cap condition. So great, actually, that even if the new QB does bust, they have enough cap space to build a strong team with 1st tier 2nd contract FAs instead of just a herd of JAGs. I wonder how many people recognize what Kwesi did here. Kwesi didn't extend Cousins last year to everyone's surprise. I think he was tired of the circle the team was on -- extend Cousins, win 10-11 games and a WC, get blown one and done, pick in the middle to high teens again, extend cousins, rinse and repeat ad infinitum. I believe he was willing to lose a lot of games in 2024 for the chance of a high 2025 draft position for a QB. Then Cousins was out for the year and they had to scramble for a QB. Vikes go 7-10, and snag the 11th overall pick. For the first time since 2012 the Vikings had a shot at a top QB in the draft, and Kwesi is doing everything he can to grab one THIS year instead of waiting.Β One thing you can be sure of. Even if they don't get a QB, and even of they do and he's Ryan Leaf 2.0, none of this is for nothing. There's too much talent on this team to be "nothing." I think 2024 is going to be one hell of a ride, and I'm looking forward to it. I think you misread my comment. Iβm not saying any of the qbs are wrong, and Iβm saying we should be trying to get one of them. Our team is ready for a quick turnaround and a qb can explode our future into somewhere we have never been. But a bad pick will hurt us for a few years if we spend future firsts, but I donβt think we will go that big in our trade up. |
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Post by skolvike on Apr 7, 2024 18:29:03 GMT -6
Who is the wrong guy? All 3 of the guys in question have pros and cons, so whomever they pick needs to sit for a year at least behind Darnold and learn how to be an NFL QB. I wonder how many of this fan base will scream "He's a BUST!" if he doesn't start Game 1? Now ask yourself how many top draft picks started game 1 and sucked, but might have been great if they had been allowed to develop first. If there's one thing Kwesi has shown in his 3 years here, it's he knows how to be patient. He had a plan and he stuck to it, and that's why the team is sitting in great cap condition. So great, actually, that even if the new QB does bust, they have enough cap space to build a strong team with 1st tier 2nd contract FAs instead of just a herd of JAGs. I wonder how many people recognize what Kwesi did here. Kwesi didn't extend Cousins last year to everyone's surprise. I think he was tired of the circle the team was on -- extend Cousins, win 10-11 games and a WC, get blown one and done, pick in the middle to high teens again, extend cousins, rinse and repeat ad infinitum. I believe he was willing to lose a lot of games in 2024 for the chance of a high 2025 draft position for a QB. Then Cousins was out for the year and they had to scramble for a QB. Vikes go 7-10, and snag the 11th overall pick. For the first time since 2012 the Vikings had a shot at a top QB in the draft, and Kwesi is doing everything he can to grab one THIS year instead of waiting. One thing you can be sure of. Even if they don't get a QB, and even of they do and he's Ryan Leaf 2.0, none of this is for nothing. There's too much talent on this team to be "nothing." I think 2024 is going to be one hell of a ride, and I'm looking forward to it. I think you misread my comment. Iβm not saying any of the qbs are wrong, and Iβm saying we should be trying to get one of them. Our team is ready for a quick turnaround and a qb can explode our future into somewhere we have never been. But a bad pick will hurt us for a few years if we spend future firsts, but I donβt think we will go that big in our trade up. What? Wash thy mouth out, Knave! Me? Misread something? Balderdash, pure balderdash! Well now that I got that out of my system, it wouldn't be the first time I misread a post. Sorry for the lack of comprehension. While I agree the equal possibility we could hurt ourselves if they miss the pick is there, I think it could hurt even worse if we don't even try and our timidity forces us to watch our future franchise QB make the HOF in another team's jersey in about 2039. Now THAT would be THE classical Vikings outcome. |
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Post by skolvike on Apr 7, 2024 18:49:21 GMT -6
Who is the wrong guy? All 3 of the guys in question have pros and cons, so whomever they pick needs to sit for a year at least behind Darnold and learn how to be an NFL QB. I wonder how many of this fan base will scream "He's a BUST!" if he doesn't start Game 1? Now ask yourself how many top draft picks started game 1 and sucked, but might have been great if they had been allowed to develop first. If there's one thing Kwesi has shown in his 3 years here, it's he knows how to be patient. He had a plan and he stuck to it, and that's why the team is sitting in great cap condition. So great, actually, that even if the new QB does bust, they have enough cap space to build a strong team with 1st tier 2nd contract FAs instead of just a herd of JAGs. I wonder how many people recognize what Kwesi did here. Kwesi didn't extend Cousins last year to everyone's surprise. I think he was tired of the circle the team was on -- extend Cousins, win 10-11 games and a WC, get blown one and done, pick in the middle to high teens again, extend cousins, rinse and repeat ad infinitum. I believe he was willing to lose a lot of games in 2024 for the chance of a high 2025 draft position for a QB. Then Cousins was out for the year and they had to scramble for a QB. Vikes go 7-10, and snag the 11th overall pick. For the first time since 2012 the Vikings had a shot at a top QB in the draft, and Kwesi is doing everything he can to grab one THIS year instead of waiting. One thing you can be sure of. Even if they don't get a QB, and even of they do and he's Ryan Leaf 2.0, none of this is for nothing. There's too much talent on this team to be "nothing." I think 2024 is going to be one hell of a ride, and I'm looking forward to it. I expect a 1st round rookie will play sometime during the season unless Darnold explodes. I do not expect Darnold to explode and become a franchise QB all the sudden. Even Mahomes started 1 game his rookie year. When a young QB is ready you play him. Expecting one not to play year 1 is no ddifferent then expecting them to start week 1. An absolutist position. Google told me these QBs never started a game in their first year: Jordan Love, Jake Locker, Brady Quinn, Aaron Rodgers, Jason Campbell, Philip Rivers, J.P. Losman, Carson Palmer, Chad Pennington, and Daunte Culpepper. There are some damn good QBs in that list. Also, Payton Manning has the most INTs (28) as a rook, and Troy Aikman had the worst record as a startig rook (0-11.) Even the best need time to acclimatize to the NFL. I believe before all the fortunate things happened with the Vikings Kwesi was willing to spend next year positioning the team for 2025 where they ended up this year in both the draft and cap, but that's just my opinion. Not that he intended to tank, but he unloaded high buck players with little money to sign replacements until Cousins' left and the cap increased. 2024 was going to be the price he was willing to pay, but now he won't pay anything for it. |
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