mjollnir
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Post by mjollnir on Mar 19, 2024 11:06:23 GMT -6
I have no idea who the right guy is. kAM and KOC were hired to find the right guy and Iβll support their pick. If the pick craps out then they need to be fired and we hire another team to find a QB. I hope the Wilfs learned their lesson from Rick that a GM doesnβt get 15 years to find a QB. Name a GM that has found a long term answer at QB for the Vikings. Fran they drafted traded and brought back, Tommy (never the long term answer but was fun to watch played better when he and his drinking buddy Wade were on benders), Daunte (a few good years and lost his edge after the knee), Ponder (yeah...no), Bridgewater (oh if that fateful leg would not have snapped, it would have been interesting). 1961: Fran Tarkenton-3rd round
1961: Mike McFarland-20th round 1965: John Hankinson-8th round 1968: Jim Haynie-15th round 1968: Bob Lee-17th round 1969: Brian Dowling-11th round 1970: Bill Cappleman-2nd round 1972: Neil Graf-16th round 1973: Mike Wells-4th round 1976: Bill Salmon-10th round 1977: Tommy Kramer-1st round 1979: Steve Dils-4th round 1981: Wade Wilson 210th overall-8th round
1985: Steve Bono 142nd overall-6th round 1987: Brent Pease 295th overall-11th round 1992: Brad Johnson 227th overall-9th round 1993: Gino Toretta 193rd overall-7th round 1995: Chad May 111th overall-5th round 1999: Daunte Culpepper 11th overall-1st round2006: Tarvaris Jackson 64th overall, 2nd round 2007: Tyler Thigpen 217th overall, 7th round 2010: Joe Webb 199th overall, 6th round (drafted as a WR) 2008: John David Booty 137th overall, 5th round 2011: Christian Ponder 12th overall, 1st round 2014: Teddy Bridgewater 32nd overall, 1st round 2020: Nate Stanley 249th overall, 7th round 2021: Kellen Mond 66th overall, 3rd round
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Post by mountvike on Mar 19, 2024 11:08:27 GMT -6
With all of the balls in the air surrounding our draft, one thing seems almost certain to me.
This draft is very likely to make or break this regime given the amount of capital they've already invested. If this first round strategy blows back it will be epic and in a not so good way.
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Post by redbird87 on Mar 19, 2024 15:38:30 GMT -6
Yes we traded Moss, Diggs, Harvin and kept Carter and of the 3, 1 has a SB ringβ¦Harvin, where the only contribution he really made was as a kick returner. Great receivers are awesome to have but not when they are the most expensive players on your team. You seem to love the Vikings' money more than you love the Vikings' games. Why is that, Red? Because it takes good use of money to build a complete team!
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Post by skolvike on Mar 19, 2024 16:41:01 GMT -6
You seem to love the Vikings' money more than you love the Vikings' games. Why is that, Red? Because it takes good use of money to build a complete team! And YOU think you're a good judge of what constitutes "good use" of that money with 1/10th the knowledge and information the Vikings have. LOL!
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Post by 1angryviking on Mar 19, 2024 16:54:52 GMT -6
Because it takes good use of money to build a complete team! And YOU think you're a good judge of what constitutes "good use" of that money with 1/10th the knowledge and information the Vikings have. LOL! There are dozens of scouts, coaches and front office people within the organization that have high level discussions with dozens of professional football contacts on all of these decisions⦠1/10th of their combined knowledge would be generous for any of us.
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Post by purplevein on Mar 19, 2024 16:59:30 GMT -6
Josh Allen was also a trade up and the Bills have not sucked because of the trade they made. I would rather try to win a championship instead of staying in the middle like the Vikings have, even if it means we might have some down years. we won 13 games two years ago with a defense that couldnt stop my towns pop warner team and an offensive line that couldnt block that same teams defensive line. not to mention how many playoffs we have vs the rest of the league but i know its fun to love amateurs 13-4, with a negative total point differential, got the Vikings a first round loss at home to Daniel Jones and the Giants.
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Post by PrΰΆ§udhΰΆ§rn on Mar 19, 2024 17:11:29 GMT -6
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Post by skolvike on Mar 19, 2024 21:33:16 GMT -6
And YOU think you're a good judge of what constitutes "good use" of that money with 1/10th the knowledge and information the Vikings have. LOL! There are dozens of scouts, coaches and front office people within the organization that have high level discussions with dozens of professional football contacts on all of these decisions⦠1/10th of their combined knowledge would be generous for any of us. I was being generous, and it doesn't change the paradigm that sweating bricks over the cap because the Vikings prefer to spend THEIR money on THEIR players that THEIR coaches, scouts, and GM agree would be a correct distribution of THEIR resources is ridiculous. ALl fans discuss their own preferences for players. That's what fans do, and the discussions here are both energetic and highly opinionated, just as they should be. Where I have problems is our resident capologists whose entire mantra is how much money player A is getting becaue said capologist doesn't think the player is worth it. Well apparently the Vikings think he is or they wouldn't pay it, and THEY sign the real world check. I might disagree with the signing on talent grounds, but not $$$ grounds. Frankly none of my business. I'm going to be beat up on this again, aren't I? (Be a little gentle. I just had S1/L5/L4 back fusion surgery and it hurts like hell.)
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Post by 1angryviking on Mar 19, 2024 22:18:20 GMT -6
There are dozens of scouts, coaches and front office people within the organization that have high level discussions with dozens of professional football contacts on all of these decisions⦠1/10th of their combined knowledge would be generous for any of us. I was being generous, and it doesn't change the paradigm that sweating bricks over the cap because the Vikings prefer to spend THEIR money on THEIR players that THEIR coaches, scouts, and GM agree would be a correct distribution of THEIR resources is ridiculous. ALl fans discuss their own preferences for players. That's what fans do, and the discussions here are both energetic and highly opinionated, just as they should be. Where I have problems is our resident capologists whose entire mantra is how much money player A is getting becaue said capologist doesn't think the player is worth it. Well apparently the Vikings think he is or they wouldn't pay it, and THEY sign the real world check. I might disagree with the signing on talent grounds, but not $$$ grounds. Frankly none of my business. I'm going to be beat up on this again, aren't I? (Be a little gentle. I just had S1/L5/L4 back fusion surgery and it hurts like hell.) Dang, that is a brutal procedure... I've had laminectomy's on the both of those discs and hoping I have about 10+ years before the fusions. Good luck on the recovery! BTW - I am of the same opinion with you on this topic.
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Post by frantheman10 on Mar 21, 2024 17:01:59 GMT -6
He should have been traded in October after kirk got hurt and the season was for all intensive purposes over.Β They still had playoff hopes in October. And probably hoped to get a long-term deal done. For all intents and purposes... You play to win the game!What was their best case scenario without Kirk? A WC and a quick playoff exit. They got no playoffs and nothing for Hunter . Double whiff.
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Post by 1angryviking on Mar 21, 2024 17:04:20 GMT -6
They still had playoff hopes in October. And probably hoped to get a long-term deal done. For all intents and purposes... You play to win the game!What was their best case scenario without Kirk? A WC and a quick playoff exit. They got no playoffs and nothing for Hunter . Double whiff. Crystal ball says 3rd round comp for a player they were looking to re-sign.
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Post by taz24 on Mar 21, 2024 17:26:08 GMT -6
Trading Hunter or not trading Hunter it is not that big a deal.
It was going to be difficult to get more than a 2nd at best for a player on an expiring NO Franchise tag contract as Kirk went down. Likely end up with a 3rd for him anyway.
Players bust all the time in the draft and we have room to sign FA especially next year. In other words Draft picks are a bit overrated.
That said Kwesi has had his share of hits and 2023 with the new scouts was better than 2022. Hits include Ingram, Chandler, Addison, Hockenson(don't care how we got him it was picks), Pace Jr.(don't care how we got him he is a Viking), Evans, Lowe (wash got what we had in for him), Blackmon, Roy and Ward. A lot if not all of these guys will be fine and contribute.
As far as Kirk goes Last year they were going for it. Injuries change things. Before Kirk went down the Vikings were as good as anyone in the NFC when they took care of the ball. It was hard to watch the Packers and Lions in the playoffs and NOT think we were as good or better than them. So we went for it with Kirk and didn't end up with anything. Happens all the time.
As far as Levis goes I would take Addison over him. Levis hasn't proven much and I don't think he will be very successful this year. Showed flashes but I don't think he is real deal and would prefer any of the top QBs in this draft over him. Addison is going to be a spectacular 2 WR and could become a 1 for some team. His route running is superb and like most WR he will get better at getting off theline. 10 TDs and losing Kirk hurt him. He is already better than Jerry Jeudy who just became Browns #1 for 19M/season.
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Post by mg415 on Mar 22, 2024 13:36:25 GMT -6
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Post by skolvike on Mar 22, 2024 14:53:34 GMT -6
They aren't trading for Herbert. They didn't dump Cousins' 40 mil contract to take on Herbert's 50 mil contract. They want to extend JJ and have a lot of cap space next year. Trading for Herbert would end both of those goals, so contrary to the Fox article, no, it doesn't make sense.
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Post by JR44 on Mar 24, 2024 10:50:23 GMT -6
They aren't trading for Herbert. They didn't dump Cousins' 40 mil contract to take on Herbert's 50 mil contract. They want to extend JJ and have a lot of cap space next year. Trading for Herbert would end both of those goals, so contrary to the Fox article, no, it doesn't make sense. If the Chargers were crazy enough to trade Herbert, the Vikes would do it in a minute, he is one of the best young QBs in the game and is going nowhere.
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