Vikeroo
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Post by Vikeroo on Mar 17, 2024 9:43:19 GMT -6
People on here ripped me for saying Kwesi over paysโฆ but look at the Fieldsโ deal as well as the other QBโs on the move this year: J Winston 4M Flacco 8.7M Max Jones 2.7M Minschew: 7.9M (although ave is 12.5) Brisette: 8 M Lock 5 M T Taylor 9 M Pickett: 1.9 M R Wilson 1.2 M fields 3.2 M Howell 900K M Rudolph: 2.8M We paid Sam Darnald who has never completed 60% of his passes in any year, and multiple coaches havenโt been able to fix himโฆ. 10M!?!? Iโm not a Fields fan and am on record as saying heโs not a great fitโฆ but for a 6th that maybe becomes a 4th and a one year tryout for a 3.2 M cost. That seems like a risk worth taking vs. trading 3 1stโs to move up to draft a total unknown. And frankly Iโm pretty sure Iโd have rolled the dice on almost anyone in this list as a Bridge before Iโd have paid Darnald 10 M! One thing for sure that people should take away from this move should be abundantly clear. A). KOC doesnโt want a Running QB. B). If Qwese drafts a QB like Danielโs โฆ. He should be fired for signing Darnald vs. not trading for Fields for a 6/4th. You could have installed an offense both could run, and you could have kept whichever showed the most promise. Even if Darnald pans outโฆ. The fact Kwesi paid a QB that has proved nothing but incompetence in his 5 yr career $10 M when more accomplished QBโs are getting a fraction of that money โฆ.. it was a massive overpay! I think it was a mild overpay, but his market was the Taylor and Brisett market. More teams were interested in Darnold as he looked ok in some samples last year. Fields and Jones are on rookie contracts still without the prorated bonus counting in since that stayed with the original teams. Russ is making near 40M this year just that Broncos are picking up the tab. Minshew, Brisett, and Wilson were the only others I would have looked at for the bridge slot. |
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Post by Prเถงudhเถงrn on Mar 17, 2024 10:37:06 GMT -6
Not to be that guy but I still don't know who Darnald or Kwesi are.
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Post by folsomppe on Mar 17, 2024 10:42:06 GMT -6
People on here ripped me for saying Kwesi over paysโฆ but look at the Fieldsโ deal as well as the other QBโs on the move this year: J Winston 4M Flacco 8.7M Max Jones 2.7M Minschew: 7.9M (although ave is 12.5) Brisette: 8 M Lock 5 M T Taylor 9 M Pickett: 1.9 M R Wilson 1.2 M fields 3.2 M Howell 900K M Rudolph: 2.8M We paid Sam Darnald who has never completed 60% of his passes in any year, and multiple coaches havenโt been able to fix himโฆ. 10M!?!? Iโm not a Fields fan and am on record as saying heโs not a great fitโฆ but for a 6th that maybe becomes a 4th and a one year tryout for a 3.2 M cost. That seems like a risk worth taking vs. trading 3 1stโs to move up to draft a total unknown. And frankly Iโm pretty sure Iโd have rolled the dice on almost anyone in this list as a Bridge before Iโd have paid Darnald 10 M! One thing for sure that people should take away from this move should be abundantly clear. A). KOC doesnโt want a Running QB. B). If Qwese drafts a QB like Danielโs โฆ. He should be fired for signing Darnald vs. not trading for Fields for a 6/4th. You could have installed an offense both could run, and you could have kept whichever showed the most promise. Even if Darnald pans outโฆ. The fact Kwesi paid a QB that has proved nothing but incompetence in his 5 yr career $10 M when more accomplished QBโs are getting a fraction of that money โฆ.. it was a massive overpay! Who cares that they overpaid for one season for a starting QB? It's not like they gave Cousins 45 mill a year at 36 years old. What does it honestly matter? The only ones that might be starting this season are Minshew and Wilson. Darnold has more upside at this point in their careers. Vikes were competing against Denver for him and paid what they needed to pay. |
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Post by oldtimer on Mar 17, 2024 11:28:28 GMT -6
Steelers are getting QB's for free this offseason That's what you call some deal makers. You usually get what you pay for ---- |
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Post by redbird87 on Mar 17, 2024 15:17:18 GMT -6
People on here ripped me for saying Kwesi over paysโฆ but look at the Fieldsโ deal as well as the other QBโs on the move this year: J Winston 4M Flacco 8.7M Max Jones 2.7M Minschew: 7.9M (although ave is 12.5) Brisette: 8 M Lock 5 M T Taylor 9 M Pickett: 1.9 M R Wilson 1.2 M fields 3.2 M Howell 900K M Rudolph: 2.8M We paid Sam Darnald who has never completed 60% of his passes in any year, and multiple coaches havenโt been able to fix himโฆ. 10M!?!? Iโm not a Fields fan and am on record as saying heโs not a great fitโฆ but for a 6th that maybe becomes a 4th and a one year tryout for a 3.2 M cost. That seems like a risk worth taking vs. trading 3 1stโs to move up to draft a total unknown. And frankly Iโm pretty sure Iโd have rolled the dice on almost anyone in this list as a Bridge before Iโd have paid Darnald 10 M! One thing for sure that people should take away from this move should be abundantly clear. A). KOC doesnโt want a Running QB. B). If Qwese drafts a QB like Danielโs โฆ. He should be fired for signing Darnald vs. not trading for Fields for a 6/4th. You could have installed an offense both could run, and you could have kept whichever showed the most promise. Even if Darnald pans outโฆ. The fact Kwesi paid a QB that has proved nothing but incompetence in his 5 yr career $10 M when more accomplished QBโs are getting a fraction of that money โฆ.. it was a massive overpay! I think it was a mild overpay, but his market was the Taylor and Brisett market. More teams were interested in Darnold as he looked ok in some samples last year. Fields and Jones are on rookie contracts still without the prorated bonus counting in since that stayed with the original teams. Russ is making near 40M this year just that Broncos are picking up the tab. Minshew, Brisett, and Wilson were the only others I would have looked at for the bridge slot. I totally understand that some of these guys are getting $ from previous teamsโฆ but almost everyone these guys other than Minschew and maybe Pickett were 1 year commitments and all that matters is what it cost us! You of all people (being the resident cap expert) should know that. And those saying it doesnโt matter on Darnald you are wrong. You save 6 M there, maybe a few million on others and now you can afford a G or a DT. At this point it doesnโt matter because those deals are signed and Iโll root for them, but itโs a recurring theme of our GM thatโs is problematic in the big scheme. Look at Davenportโฆ same deal! |
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Post by 1angryviking on Mar 17, 2024 15:32:11 GMT -6
The Vikings werenโt bidding against themselves for Darnold.
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Post by redbird87 on Mar 17, 2024 15:50:52 GMT -6
The Vikings werenโt bidding against themselves dot Darnold. I get thatโฆ. But itโs not like heโs the missing link! Heโs been a disaster his entire career. If somebody else wants to pay him 10 M let em. Heโs arguably 1 of the bottom 3 QBโs on that list. There were plenty of lower cost options available = or better you can go get if somebody outbids you. There were a lot of people probably bidding on Davenport last yearโฆ. Doesnโt mean guaranteeing the guy 15 M when his career has been nothing but inconsistency and poor health made it a good idea even if others were bidding. I worry Kwesi locks in on guys and loses sight of value paying up at any price. You can argue he stopped bidding on Kirk, but I donโt think he ever wanted Kirk back. |
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Post by blackmagic7 on Mar 17, 2024 16:09:36 GMT -6
The thing that keeps jumping to mind reading this is the 5th year option for 1st round picks. It doesn't matter if teams pick it up or not. It looms over entire careers...
Specifically, players don't view that figure the way we do. It's not just fantasy funny money to them. They don't "believe" they don't deserve it in the way we identify that. They aren't interested in our financial discussion.
It's what they deserve to be paid. It's the standard when they "prove it."
It's too easy for us to take the teams' position that players didn't earn it or don't deserve it, by genuinely believing it, and then flex like player is just going to fall in line and agree...
The NFL and fan media are constantly drumming up a market and hype for these failing but promising players... to go in and save some other franchise. Of course they want to be paid what the process says they deserve. The "prove it" deals are increasingly higher...
The never ending cycle of desperate teams needing QB has caused these 5th year contract figures to become the platform for agents to sell their client from to needy teams. 31 other teams end up blushing and playing dumb like, "gosh we think you maybe are The Guy and we know you used to be The Guy but golly we want to pay you like your stats suggest you deserve to be paid so please don't say no or we'll be forced to play this game where we are paying you just for having a nice college carrer."
The salary list is stunning where some players have clawed and earned a high salary and others are stuck to it like leaches.
Maybe 5th year contract options should be statistically based. That way player negotiations evolve in a way that is rooted in an NFL reality vs. the draft process.
Say, Stat math shows Player gets X on 5th year. Team says yes or no. Player puts up another stat line in year 5. Team and Player discuss extention terms using stats plus hype/potential/whatever and then the market occurs much like it does now... and we can end this dumb "I'm Drew Lock and $5 million is a steal if I hit my rookie contract potential" charade...
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