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Post by BigRussian on Mar 19, 2024 19:13:56 GMT -6
great post bump
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Post by legion11 on Apr 5, 2024 9:52:53 GMT -6
20 days left to the draft!! Made a few changes:
Rd 2 Added WR Malachi Corley Moved CB Max Melton from 3 to 2 - I've seen some mocks with him as high as a late 1, so 3rd round was clearly too late.
Rd 3 Added CB Renardo Green, CB Khyree Jackson, OG Zak Zinter
Rd 4 Moved Safety Dadrion Demerson and TE Cade Stover from 5th to 4th Added C Beau Limmer, WRs Luke McCaffrey and Brenden Rice
Rd 5 Added EDGE Javon Solomon, CB Kamal Hadden, and IOL Mason McCormick
Rd 6 Moved TE Tip Reimann from 7th to 6th Added LB Maris Liufau, CB Jonny Dixon, and OL Brandon Coleman
UDFA Added C Dylan McMahon and WR Jalen Coker
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Post by blackmagic7 on Apr 5, 2024 10:30:34 GMT -6
What do you think of Jer'Zhan Newton around 23 Legion? I know we have a bigger need for a big body in the middle, but you think he would he fit this scheme as a 3-4 end on the line?
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Post by legion11 on Apr 5, 2024 13:58:07 GMT -6
What do you think of Jer'Zhan Newton around 23 Legion? I know we have a bigger need for a big body in the middle, but you think he would he fit this scheme as a 3-4 end on the line? It seems he's most often profiled as a 3T in a 4-3, but he's over 300 pounds and has played all over the line. So, to answer your question, I think he could handle the transition, and it's not like we have a ton of talent on our D-Line anywhere, so he'd be a likely upgrade. 23 is a good spot for him, I added him to page 1, thanks for the suggestion. As you could see, my Round 1 was pretty anemic with only 3 entries. I started this right around the time we traded up for the second pick, so I figured we were all in on QB and therefore it's harder for me to get excited about the other prospects. But you're right, it's good to have some fallback players in case we are unable or are outbid in our attempt to move up for our guy.
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Post by Vikeroo on Apr 7, 2024 15:26:44 GMT -6
What do you think of Jer'Zhan Newton around 23 Legion? I know we have a bigger need for a big body in the middle, but you think he would he fit this scheme as a 3-4 end on the line? It seems he's most often profiled as a 3T in a 4-3, but he's over 300 pounds and has played all over the line. So, to answer your question, I think he could handle the transition, and it's not like we have a ton of talent on our D-Line anywhere, so he'd be a likely upgrade. 23 is a good spot for him, I added him to page 1, thanks for the suggestion. As you could see, my Round 1 was pretty anemic with only 3 entries. I started this right around the time we traded up for the second pick, so I figured we were all in on QB and therefore it's harder for me to get excited about the other prospects. But you're right, it's good to have some fallback players in case we are unable or are outbid in our attempt to move up for our guy. We play a hybrid that asks for a 3 tech in most situations. Base D runs with a 5T, 0T/2T at Nose and a 3T in base. On passing downs they essentially have 2 1T's or a 1tT and a 3T with 2 Edge. I expect we will see more standup on the outside as Hunter lined up hand in the dirt often as not last year. Van is not a hand in the dirt type and I suspect Greenard is more comfortable in stand up. Personnel they had last year they essentially played almost all Nickle downs in a 4 man front.
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Post by Vikeroo on Apr 7, 2024 15:30:23 GMT -6
Intgeresting as always Legion I just have not been able to get myself to take the deep dive this year with the day 3 guys. Ton of Michigan guys I would love in the 2nd and 3rd round area where we have no picks. Murphy and Mitchell I suspect are the top interests at pick #11 if they do not go QB, but hard to imagine they are not going QB.
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Post by RF54 on Apr 8, 2024 6:05:19 GMT -6
Round 1 has to include Maye, Daniels, and even Pennix. 17 days away and I believe the Vikings are planning at making a push to get 1 of the three; Maye, Daniels, or McCarthy and Pennix being the pick if other teams are simply not willing to trade with the Vikings.
If they cannot trade into the QB derby in the top 5, I think they look at CB and DT maybe a top OT that can play inside. I would not be surprised if they trade out of 11 if they cannot get their top QB choice.
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Post by Vikeroo on Apr 8, 2024 9:27:16 GMT -6
Round 1 has to include Maye, Daniels, and even Pennix. 17 days away and I believe the Vikings are planning at making a push to get 1 of the three; Maye, Daniels, or McCarthy and Pennix being the pick if other teams are simply not willing to trade with the Vikings. If they cannot trade into the QB derby in the top 5, I think they look at CB and DT maybe a top OT that can play inside. I would not be surprised if they trade out of 11 if they cannot get their top QB choice. Legion always highlights guys he likes and thinks will be fits for the Vikings and a lot of guys he likes do very well. Tends to be more of a list of likes and sleepers that fit each round. A lot of work trying to look at day 3 guys and slot them. 2 years ago we really got deep into it and were discussing guys like Woolen for the 5th rd (who ended up becoming a star from that class). First 4 rounds are somewhat easy to project, but those 5th through 7th guys take a ton of work to examine. Legion puts in the work.
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Post by legion11 on Apr 8, 2024 14:08:51 GMT -6
Round 1 has to include Maye, Daniels, and even Pennix. 17 days away and I believe the Vikings are planning at making a push to get 1 of the three; Maye, Daniels, or McCarthy and Pennix being the pick if other teams are simply not willing to trade with the Vikings. If they cannot trade into the QB derby in the top 5, I think they look at CB and DT maybe a top OT that can play inside. I would not be surprised if they trade out of 11 if they cannot get their top QB choice. Legion always highlights guys he likes and thinks will be fits for the Vikings and a lot of guys he likes do very well. Tends to be more of a list of likes and sleepers that fit each round. A lot of work trying to look at day 3 guys and slot them. 2 years ago we really got deep into it and were discussing guys like Woolen for the 5th rd (who ended up becoming a star from that class). First 4 rounds are somewhat easy to project, but those 5th through 7th guys take a ton of work to examine. Legion puts in the work. Thanks Roo. Yeah, that 2022 class was awesome - loaded with talent and really fun to break down. Several good gems in that Day 3 - Dameon Pierce in the 4th, Woolen and McCollum in the 5th (McCollum is more of a role player in Tampa but I think he still has lots of potential to improve). Jamaree Salyer in the 6th was tremendous value. Nobody is mistaking him for Rashawn Slater, but to get that kind of contribution that late in the process is outstanding. And that's why I like doing these lists. I figure the Day 1+2 guys get talked to death, so to me it's more interesting to try to unearth the diamonds of Day 3. I was a bit distracted last year but my big Day 3 crushes were WR Andrei Iosivas and G Andrew Vorhees. "Yoshi" went to the Bengals in the 6th. He's an Ivy Leaguer (Princeton) kid so he had a long way to go to make an NFL roster. He only had 15 catches on the year, but 4 of them were for scores. And that was behind a LOADED Cinci WR room that was also missing Burrow for most of the year. Vorhees was a ~3rd round guard that tore his ACL during the Combine, so the Ravens scooped him up for practically nothing in the 7th round. Stashed him on IR for a season and now a year later they might have a guy that competes to replace Kevin Zeitler as their starting guard. I was hoping Kwesi would have grabbed him at 222 (he went at 229) but instead we went with DeWayne McBride. I didn't hate the pick at the time, but in hindsight I'd be more excited if we went the other way. Vorhees is still and unknown, whereas McBride appears to be a JAG. I'll be keeping half an eye on the Ravens training camp/pre-season to see if AV turns himself into anything. As for 2024, I'm saddened that you're just not that into it this year. I wanted to pick your brain on TCU OL Brandon Coleman. I'm baffled by him. His measurables and dimensions scream 1st round stud. Other than being a couple inches shorter than most Tackles, he has ELITE traits. But I've seen him mocked anywhere from the 4th to the 7th. I think he was fighting some injuries in 2023 and his play took a dip from a better 2022 season. Maybe he just doesn't have much passion for the game?
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Post by Vikeroo on Apr 8, 2024 20:33:23 GMT -6
weak class this year short something like 50 underclassmen from normal. Weak at a number of positions of need like IDL after round 3. Since we were looking at TE's pretty heavily in the pre draft process in 2022 for instance there were a handful of late day 3 TE's from that class I would view as top 100-120 guys in this class. There are some interesting LB's and RB's late this year, but neither position is a major need. Some good WR's will drop into round 5 or so. I really should look at the C prospects because there are some good day 3 guys at the position. Just seems like this is a QB or bust draft and kind of hard to get past that. I started looking at the late day 1 and day 2 IDL and IOL and then they traded for the #23 pick and I am not even sure what they will have and be looking at for picks after the first selection is made.
I normally say things like this is a 120 player draft or a 150 player draft, but this year has maybe 120 draftable players meaning the last 2 rounds will be UDFA level guys IMHO for the most part. By that I mean I usually see 100-120 red chip guys in a year and this is maybe an 80 deep class. I mean a few late rounders will hit from this class of course, but I am not fond of it as a class. From that 2022 class Likely is a good example went pick 139 and looks like he is starting to break out in Baltimore and I just do not see that kind of jump off the page day 3 guy this year. Guys will get drafted regardless.
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Post by legion11 on Apr 23, 2024 18:42:04 GMT -6
TWO MORE DAYS!!
Added to 4th Round: DT DeWayne Carter DUKE - 3 year captain, high football IQ and leadership qualities. Unselfish player, he often disrupts the offensive play and sets up a teammate to clean it up and take the credit. Projects as more of a 4-3 3T, but we run some hybrid fronts and I think Flores is clever enough to find a way to use him as a rotational piece.
Added to 7th Round: LB Tyrise Knight UTEP - ultra-productive off-ball LB that fills up the stat sheet. A little bit limited and may never be more than an average coverage backer, but wow what tackle production! He's a bit of a freelancer at times and will occasionally give up gap integrity seeking to knife through for yet another tackle. Like Eric Wilson, you just have to live with a few blown plays from time to time to get the big splash plays. Can he learn to reign it in a bit with proper coaching? As a 7th round pick or UDFA I think it's worth the risk.
Added to UDFA: C Andrew Raym OKLA - has the size and nasty demeanor coaches want. Not very good technique or body control, will need to hone his skills at the NFL level to overcome a basic lack of athleticism. But he's a brawler with the right dimensions and that gives him a puncher's chance on a practice squad to develop for a year or two.
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Post by legion11 on Apr 24, 2024 19:25:56 GMT -6
FINAL UPDATE:
Added Louisville CB Storm Duck to the UDFA list:
CB Storm Duck - LOU - Why? BECAUSE HIS NAME IS STORM DUCK. Do you need any other reason? He's 6'0", 201lbs, ran a 4.43, and has elite explosive traits (98th percentile broad jump, 85th% vert). Unfortunately his agility testing (shuttle and 3-cone) were very subpar, suggesting limited agility and change of direction. This likely keeps him from ever being more than an average cover guy, but HIS NAME IS STORM DUCK and that's good enough to make my Practice Squad to see if a year or two refining technique can overcome his limitations.
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