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Post by smoot4208 on Sept 19, 2022 21:35:23 GMT -6
Last week it worked, this week it killed us but we are forcing too much of our offense thru Jefferson. Defense was awful and never adjusted. Too many dropped balls, OL couldnβt open holes for Running game and coaches were out coached and out game planned. Cousins looked completely flustered in the 2nd half. It is maybe one of the worst showing Iβve ever seen in that everyone failed. Coaches failed, players failedβ¦. Dantzler, Evans were the only players that came to play. Cousins was bad, Jefferson was bad, Cook was bad, Irv Smith was bad, PP was bad, Mattison was bad, Kendricks is so lost Iβm not sure he even knows what state heβs in, Theilen is invisible, KOC struggled to recognize what did and didnβt work and made a bad decision end of half and Donatell apparently is blind. No blitz, refused to tighten up corners and in 2 games has yet to figure out how to teach his labβs to cover anything besides air! Bright spot, I said before the season startedβ¦. This team was going to experience growing pains and it showed in a big way. KOC is still learning to be a head coach. Offense, despite being predominately the same group of players is still learning a new totally different offense and trying to find their identity. Defense does not have the personnel to run the defense Ed wants to run. It will take some time snd ED gas to learn how to adjust his D yo fit the players we have during the personnel transition. If we still suck like this in week 6 then we have a problem, but while Iβm pissed at how bad we look tonight it is kind of what I expected before game 1. Last but not leastβ¦.KOC should really take note that the O and Cousins in particular have really excelled when we play up tempo and let him call the play at LOS. Spot on. Agree completely with this post
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Post by lunas on Sept 19, 2022 21:37:03 GMT -6
Bad defense + bad Kirk = no chance.
You cannot leave the game up to KC to win.
He will press and choke. Always have and always will.
Keep drafting on the defensive side of the ball and let him game manage. Itβs the only blueprint to win with him.
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Post by purpletrouble on Sept 19, 2022 21:37:32 GMT -6
I figured there would be growing pains with the new coaches, but I didn't expect the defense to be so putrid. Donatell did a bad job.
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Post by vikingslore on Sept 19, 2022 21:40:08 GMT -6
well it's not a good showing tonight...... we are not as good as we looked last week. We managed to catch the packers at a good time. I am only disappointed with the defense tonight. Given where we were last year the defense is still the weakest link in the team this year. I would like to hear why it was the plan that never changed to drop two safeties back so f'ing far on all the coverage. Perhaps that is the best plan given the talent but heck try man coverage a few time just to see what happens!!!!!!!! It seems a bit odd that noting different was tried. Agreed. A lot of fans complain of coaches not making adjustments and I usually stick up for the coaches as you can try to adjust and it still doesnβt work. But tonight on defense we never attempted to switch to man or dial blitzes. Just stuck to a safety net zone This will be a learning experience for KOC. He's got to sit down with Ed and explain that playing a "shell" soft zone pass D all night against a team that likes to run crossing routes is doomed to fail as well as to point out the effect of the Eagles dialing up 2 extra defender blitzes against our offense.
For his part, KOC will have to make big time adjustments preparing to play the Lions who play a similar style as the Eagles on D only on steroids. They blitz 2 defenders virtually every play especially on Hutchinson's side which is a clear "tell" to take advantage of by dialing up quick developing plays on the other side.
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Post by redbird87 on Sept 19, 2022 21:42:13 GMT -6
I figured there would be growing pains with the new coaches, but I didn't expect the defense to be so putrid. Donatell did a bad job. Absolutely no excuse to not change something!! Tighten up your corners, bring a Blitz from time to time, try man coverage. Shit blitz Kendricks he canβt cover anyone or make a tackle anyway. At least if you Blitz him maybe an OL picks him up and allows one of our other DL to make a play! To do the same thing over and over snd expect different outcomes is insanity!
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Post by mossdaddy on Sept 19, 2022 21:44:56 GMT -6
I donβt worship cousins what so ever but Iβm tired of people like you that just want to complain just to complain and blame cousins for everything even when itβs not his fault β¦ I have been sticking up for Cousins for a bit but he was cliche prime time Kirk and he deserves a lot of blame for tonightβs debacle . He crumbled tonight. Albeit JJ, AT , and 17 seemed to be plastered against DBs all night β¦ so play design had to be a problem. Humbling loss after week 1 he threw 2 bad picks but damn how many fucking drops β¦ the smith drop changed the whole game β¦ he didnβt crumble and had no help then he tried forcing it β¦ then add in no run game β¦ but yes In all of your eyes cousins shit the bed and deserves to be cut smh β¦
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Post by rooscooter on Sept 19, 2022 21:48:30 GMT -6
I figured there would be growing pains with the new coaches, but I didn't expect the defense to be so putrid. Donatell did a bad job. I'd say from a personnel standpoint we're weaker than last year. Older at some key spots and under a new system. We dodged a bullet on the first defensive play last week but didn't dodge any this week. The scheme has me asking questions on how you intend to stop drives when none of your defensive backs are on the screen at the snap. Lot's of work to do there with some holes in the talent.
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Post by rooscooter on Sept 19, 2022 21:53:28 GMT -6
I have been sticking up for Cousins for a bit but he was cliche prime time Kirk and he deserves a lot of blame for tonightβs debacle . He crumbled tonight. Albeit JJ, AT , and 17 seemed to be plastered against DBs all night β¦ so play design had to be a problem. Humbling loss after week 1 he threw 2 bad picks but damn how many fucking drops β¦ the smith drop changed the whole game β¦ he didnβt crumble and had no help then he tried forcing it β¦ then add in no run game β¦ but yes In all of your eyes cousins shit the bed and deserves to be cut smh β¦ Cousins seemed to have few options in the second half as we were keeping 6-7 in to block or release late while sending 3-4 into the secondary. Simple math will tell you it's not easy to throw downfield with that in front of you. The receivers all seemed to be covered because you could double everyone of them essentially. People note the "dump offs" but fail to understand that when you keep the TE and both back in to block there is limited windows for success downfield against a team rushing 4 most of the time. This is where the scheme needed to be adjusted on the fly..... which didn't happen.
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Post by iceratz16 on Sept 19, 2022 21:56:33 GMT -6
Difference is the Eagles Looked much more prepared on both sides of the ball. Our Dedense looks completely clueless while their D looks like someone is giving them every play In the 1st quarter, they played tight and right on our asses. This either means they where playing man or cousins was late making decisions. Since he has played like ass, I'm going with he has been late with his throws, hence all the batted balls. How can Cousins be late with throws when our receivers heads aren't even turned around yet, but the DBs are already undercutting routes?
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Post by iceratz16 on Sept 19, 2022 22:05:00 GMT -6
When was the last time the Vikings played at home against the Eagles in a primetime game? Was it really 2010?
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Post by 1angryviking on Sept 19, 2022 22:07:24 GMT -6
OβNeil is not a top 5 RT Cousins has not been under a ton of pressure tonight. He's had time. Really? Cousins wasn't great... neither was the blocking.
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Post by 1angryviking on Sept 19, 2022 22:15:15 GMT -6
Nahhh. just tired of you clowns that worship him like he's anything more than a mediocre ass QB making $40 million. I'm sure he'll be great again next week at home against Detroit. Then everybody can throw a party again. I donβt worship cousins what so ever but Iβm tired of people like you that just want to complain just to complain and blame cousins for everything even when itβs not his fault β¦ Yeah, Irv should have had that TD at the end of the 1st half... but not sure if this the game when you want to make that argument.
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Post by mg415 on Sept 19, 2022 22:15:31 GMT -6
The defense is the teams problem.... Talent is not the best at corner and the scheme really sucked. What was the reason to keep both safeties sooooooo deep all night long?
Offence was not good and shot it self in the foot way too many times. Irv Smith is not the best tight end on the team let someone else try.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2022 1:12:33 GMT -6
The defense is the teams problem.... Talent is not the best at corner and the scheme really sucked. What was the reason to keep both safeties sooooooo deep all nightlong? Offence was not good and shot it self in the foot way too many times. Irv Smith is not the best tight end on the team let someone else try. I said it before the draft and free agency we needed tight ends and corners and look what we have... same old shit, draft busts and backups... no legit starter's
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Post by redbird87 on Sept 20, 2022 4:56:05 GMT -6
Evans and Dantzler played great given what the Defensive scheme was. PP does not look good thru 2 games. Our D has a lot of problems but you could have had Slay on one side and Diggs on the other and weβd have still looked bad playing that shell defense. Our CB personnel was NOT our problem last night. Ed had our players playing WAY to far off the ball.
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