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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2022 7:26:32 GMT -6
While Cousins is learning from his fifth new offensive coordinator in five years, this challenge is different. The Vikingsβ offense under Kevin Stefanski, Gary Kubiak and Klint Kubiak were essentially speaking the same language and now he has to learn a whole new set of words to the point where heβs fluent. Still, Cousins said the bones of most NFL offenses are similar.
βThere's only so much you can change,β Cousins said. βAt the end of the day you do have these staple foundational pieces that are pretty consistent across the league.β
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2022 7:27:50 GMT -6
Still, Cousins said the bones of most NFL offenses are similar.
βThere's only so much you can change,β Cousins said. βAt the end of the day you do have these staple foundational pieces that are pretty consistent across the league.β
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Post by mjollnir on Jun 7, 2022 7:28:45 GMT -6
Yet the full stat line does not support that.
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Post by 2012mom on Jun 7, 2022 9:33:18 GMT -6
Where are you getting your data? According to Pro Football Reference, here are Cousins's stats on 3rd and 10+ Attempts: 53 Completions: 41 (77.36% completions) Yards: 450 Y/A: 8.5 1Ds: 15 You're right that he's throwing short of the sticks, but Y/A is not a meaningful way to show it, since Y/A includes incompletions. I think you meant to use Y/C, but the point is made by noting that he only had 15 first downs out of 41 completions. But if you do the calculation, he had a 10.98 Y/C average in 3rd and 10+, so part of the issue was facing 3rd downs longer than 10 yards due to sacks, TFL, and lots of penalties. I was responding directly to Proudhorns stats; so, I used the same data point in his comment... Football Database Β - Where he ranks 23rd in Y/A among qualifying QB's on 3rd & 8-10 Β - Where he ranks 9th in Y/A among qualifying QB's on 3rd & 11+ Either way, not intended to be a Cousins rant.Β I have just seen entirely way too many 2 yard dump off's to the flat where the intended target had a defender draped all of them with no chance of conversion.Β I would rather them take a shot at converting rather than gaining 2 yards on 3rd & 7.Β Cousins is risk adverse and seems all too happy to take take a "positive completion" than risking an INT instead of Punt.. so eliminate that option. Oh, I wasn't trying to go on a Cousins rant, I was only pointing out that Y/A doesn't mean much. I think you're right that Cousins is very stat-conscious, but the more I look at it, the the higher the percentage of blame I place on everything around him: game plan, blocking, penalties, etc. The truth is that Cousins is fine in 3rd and short: 3rd and 4-6, 26 of his 30 completions went for 1sts or TDs, out of 53 attempts (so about 50% conversion) 3rd and 7-9, 15 of 19 of his completions went for 1sts or TDs, out of 41 attempts (down to 37% conversion) Then on 3rd and long, only 15 first downs out of 41 completions and 53 attempts (28% conversion, even with nearly 11 yards per completion). It's only on 3rd and 10+ that things went to complete shit, and that's at least in part because of getting behind the count in the first place, plus terrible protection, especially when everyone knows it's a pass play. And it was not due only to Cousins. Cook had 19 rushing attempts on 3rd down, and he made 7 1Ds, which is good, but only 1 of 7 attempts over 4 yards went for a first.
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Post by 1angryviking on Jun 7, 2022 12:03:04 GMT -6
I was responding directly to Proudhorns stats; so, I used the same data point in his comment... Football Database - Where he ranks 23rd in Y/A among qualifying QB's on 3rd & 8-10 - Where he ranks 9th in Y/A among qualifying QB's on 3rd & 11+ Either way, not intended to be a Cousins rant. I have just seen entirely way too many 2 yard dump off's to the flat where the intended target had a defender draped all of them with no chance of conversion. I would rather them take a shot at converting rather than gaining 2 yards on 3rd & 7. Cousins is risk adverse and seems all too happy to take take a "positive completion" than risking an INT instead of Punt.. so eliminate that option. Oh, I wasn't trying to go on a Cousins rant, I was only pointing out that Y/A doesn't mean much. I think you're right that Cousins is very stat-conscious, but the more I look at it, the the higher the percentage of blame I place on everything around him: game plan, blocking, penalties, etc. The truth is that Cousins is fine in 3rd and short: 3rd and 4-6, 26 of his 30 completions went for 1sts or TDs, out of 53 attempts (so about 50% conversion) 3rd and 7-9, 15 of 19 of his completions went for 1sts or TDs, out of 41 attempts (down to 37% conversion) Then on 3rd and long, only 15 first downs out of 41 completions and 53 attempts (28% conversion, even with nearly 11 yards per completion). It's only on 3rd and 10+ that things went to complete shit, and that's at least in part because of getting behind the count in the first place, plus terrible protection, especially when everyone knows it's a pass play. And it was not due only to Cousins. Cook had 19 rushing attempts on 3rd down, and he made 7 1Ds, which is good, but only 1 of 7 attempts over 4 yards went for a first. The problem isn't 3rd and short... it's pretty easy to throw past the sticks with Dalvin in the backfield. The problem is obvious passing scenarios where the QB would rather dump it off or take a sack than risk an INT and criticism. - In 3rd & 7-10 they ranked 23rd - In 3rd & 11+... they ranked 9th If they want to be better than the 13th best scoring offense in 2022 they have to better on 3rd and long... and 2 yard dump offs aren't going to do that. So, maybe they should keep the RB's, FB's and TE's near the line for help blocking in obvious passing situations.
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Post by 2012mom on Jun 7, 2022 12:36:25 GMT -6
Oh, I wasn't trying to go on a Cousins rant, I was only pointing out that Y/A doesn't mean much. I think you're right that Cousins is very stat-conscious, but the more I look at it, the the higher the percentage of blame I place on everything around him: game plan, blocking, penalties, etc. The truth is that Cousins is fine in 3rd and short: 3rd and 4-6, 26 of his 30 completions went for 1sts or TDs, out of 53 attempts (so about 50% conversion) 3rd and 7-9, 15 of 19 of his completions went for 1sts or TDs, out of 41 attempts (down to 37% conversion) Then on 3rd and long, only 15 first downs out of 41 completions and 53 attempts (28% conversion, even with nearly 11 yards per completion). It's only on 3rd and 10+ that things went to complete shit, and that's at least in part because of getting behind the count in the first place, plus terrible protection, especially when everyone knows it's a pass play. And it was not due only to Cousins. Cook had 19 rushing attempts on 3rd down, and he made 7 1Ds, which is good, but only 1 of 7 attempts over 4 yards went for a first. The problem isn't 3rd and short... it's pretty easy to throw past the sticks with Dalvin in the backfield.Β The problem is obvious passing scenarios where the QB would rather dump it off or take a sack than risk an INT and criticism.Β Β Β -Β In 3rd & 7-10 they ranked 23rd Β -Β In 3rd & 11+... they ranked 9th If they want to be better than the 13th best scoring offense in 2022 they have to better on 3rd and long... and 2 yard dump offs aren't going to do that.Β So, maybe they should keep the RB's, FB's and TE's near the line for help blocking in obvious passing situations. Umm... pretty sure that I just pointed out that 3rd and medium to long was the issue. There are two problems: Why did they get into 3rd and long, and Why did they perform badly in 3rd and long. I see people other than Kirk, namely Zimmer, Kubiak, and the OL as being most responsible for getting to 3rd and long. Kirk shares some blame there, but I see it as a small portion. Badly designed plays, bad play calls and a terrible OL (both penalties and bad blocking) were, IMO the major factors. Cousins had over 90 passing attempts on 3rd and 7+ last year. Stafford 57 passing attempts on 3rd and 7+ last year. We will see this year how much of that was bad play design and pay calling. Once they got into 3rd and long, the bad play design/calling and bad blocking were still issues, but so were the dump offs. As I showed before, Cousins's rate of conversion on 3rd downs was about 50% if they needed short yardage, dropped into the 35% range of they needed medium yardage, and was below 30% if they needed 10+ yards. Stafford's conversion rate, OTOH, stayed close to 50%, even if they needed 10+ yards (16 of 36 attempts). So we will be able to see this year whether it way play design or something else.
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Post by VikeNation101 on Jun 7, 2022 13:52:26 GMT -6
The TE screen, unless itβs Irv. The FB screen.
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Post by Vikeroo on Jun 7, 2022 14:17:17 GMT -6
Oh, I wasn't trying to go on a Cousins rant, I was only pointing out that Y/A doesn't mean much. I think you're right that Cousins is very stat-conscious, but the more I look at it, the the higher the percentage of blame I place on everything around him: game plan, blocking, penalties, etc. The truth is that Cousins is fine in 3rd and short: 3rd and 4-6, 26 of his 30 completions went for 1sts or TDs, out of 53 attempts (so about 50% conversion) 3rd and 7-9, 15 of 19 of his completions went for 1sts or TDs, out of 41 attempts (down to 37% conversion) Then on 3rd and long, only 15 first downs out of 41 completions and 53 attempts (28% conversion, even with nearly 11 yards per completion). It's only on 3rd and 10+ that things went to complete shit, and that's at least in part because of getting behind the count in the first place, plus terrible protection, especially when everyone knows it's a pass play. And it was not due only to Cousins. Cook had 19 rushing attempts on 3rd down, and he made 7 1Ds, which is good, but only 1 of 7 attempts over 4 yards went for a first. The problem isn't 3rd and short... it's pretty easy to throw past the sticks with Dalvin in the backfield. The problem is obvious passing scenarios where the QB would rather dump it off or take a sack than risk an INT and criticism. - In 3rd & 7-10 they ranked 23rd - In 3rd & 11+... they ranked 9th If they want to be better than the 13th best scoring offense in 2022 they have to better on 3rd and long... and 2 yard dump offs aren't going to do that. So, maybe they should keep the RB's, FB's and TE's near the line for help blocking in obvious passing situations. You need to watch other teams play football more often as almost all teams throw short of the sticks often and Cousins does it less then most. The issue is he does not play well when off schedule and that is just him. Another problem I have with Kirk is if his first read is gone he generally checks down to his hot read even when he has time. This is just Kirk.
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Post by 1angryviking on Jun 7, 2022 15:03:03 GMT -6
The problem isn't 3rd and short... it's pretty easy to throw past the sticks with Dalvin in the backfield. The problem is obvious passing scenarios where the QB would rather dump it off or take a sack than risk an INT and criticism. - In 3rd & 7-10 they ranked 23rd - In 3rd & 11+... they ranked 9th If they want to be better than the 13th best scoring offense in 2022 they have to better on 3rd and long... and 2 yard dump offs aren't going to do that. So, maybe they should keep the RB's, FB's and TE's near the line for help blocking in obvious passing situations. You need to watch other teams play football more often as almost all teams throw short of the sticks often and Cousins does it less then most. The issue is he does not play well when off schedule and that is just him. Another problem I have with Kirk is if his first read is gone he generally checks down to his hot read even when he has time. This is just Kirk. Dude - I know you love to argue the minutiae on every topic... but STFU. Do you know how condescending it comes off when you tell obvious football fanatics that they "need to watch other teams play football"?
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Post by Vikeroo on Jun 7, 2022 15:46:29 GMT -6
You need to watch other teams play football more often as almost all teams throw short of the sticks often and Cousins does it less then most. The issue is he does not play well when off schedule and that is just him. Another problem I have with Kirk is if his first read is gone he generally checks down to his hot read even when he has time. This is just Kirk. Dude - I know you love to argue the minutiae on every topic... but STFU. Do you know how condescending it comes off when you tell obvious football fanatics that they "need to watch other teams play football"? Not going to waste the time looking it up as this issue was debunked months back. Kirk had either the 2nd or 3 highest rate of throwing beyond the sticks of all QB's last year on 3rd downs. What you are saying is the issue is not the issue. I actually think Kirk is an example of simply throwing past the sticks is not the answer. There were issues with play design, play calls, kirk's decision making, OL execution, and Kirk's execution. Rams are an excellent example of a team designing plays well leading to Kupp's tremendous YAC even though he is not a burner. I agree Kirk has fatal flaws and there were flaws in the passing game design and play calling the last few years, but the issue you are harping on did not exist in reality. Infact they might have taken too many deep drops when considering the OL the last few years on 3rd downs.
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Post by 1angryviking on Jun 7, 2022 16:24:43 GMT -6
Dude - I know you love to argue the minutiae on every topic... but STFU. Do you know how condescending it comes off when you tell obvious football fanatics that they "need to watch other teams play football"? Not going to waste the time looking it up as this issue was debunked months back. Kirk had either the 2nd or 3 highest rate of throwing beyond the sticks of all QB's last year on 3rd downs. What you are saying is the issue is not the issue. I actually think Kirk is an example of simply throwing past the sticks is not the answer. There were issues with play design, play calls, kirk's decision making, OL execution, and Kirk's execution. Rams are an excellent example of a team designing plays well leading to Kupp's tremendous YAC even though he is not a burner. I agree Kirk has fatal flaws and there were flaws in the passing game design and play calling the last few years, but the issue you are harping on did not exist in reality. Infact they might have taken too many deep drops when considering the OL the last few years on 3rd downs. Using the earlier metrics... I think I did a pretty good job of highlighting how the Vikings offense had way too many plays in obvious passing scenarios where there were too many passes short of the sticks. Using 2012mom's metrics... you can see why they were converting a smaller percentage of passing 3rd downs versus actual top 10 offenses. They were 23rd overall in 3rd & 8-10 and 9th overall in 3rd & 11+... that's a middle of the road offense in obvious passing scenarios despite being 4-5 deep with really good skill position players. The reality is that if in 2022 the Vikings do better with the same QB, same skill players and largely the same OL... it has to be scheme and that the improvement speaks directly to removing routes well short of the sticks. You took exception to my initial 11 word post saying "remove routes short of the sticks" and your rebuttal is was condescending "you don't watch football games" because you don't think any other opinion on this site matters than yours. It goes without saying that OBVIOUSLY NOT EVERY PASS ON 3RD DOWN GOES PAST THE STICKS AND SOMETIMES A RECEIVER NEEDS TO MAKE A PLAY. I'm just surprised that an 11 word quip isn't allowed and it now needs to be paragraphs with a dozen of qualifications to it... thanks. Edit- Stafford in 2021 vs Cousins in 2021... - Stafford averaged 15.9 YPA on 3rd & 8-10... Cousins averaged 6.0 - Stafford averaged 12.9 YPA on 3rd & 11+... Cousins averaged 8.8 Once again, if there is a big change on 3rd down passing... it's going to come from the play calling removing dump-off's well short of the sticks.
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Post by 2012mom on Jun 7, 2022 18:34:03 GMT -6
Not going to waste the time looking it up as this issue was debunked months back. Kirk had either the 2nd or 3 highest rate of throwing beyond the sticks of all QB's last year on 3rd downs. What you are saying is the issue is not the issue. I actually think Kirk is an example of simply throwing past the sticks is not the answer. There were issues with play design, play calls, kirk's decision making, OL execution, and Kirk's execution. Rams are an excellent example of a team designing plays well leading to Kupp's tremendous YAC even though he is not a burner. I agree Kirk has fatal flaws and there were flaws in the passing game design and play calling the last few years, but the issue you are harping on did not exist in reality. Infact they might have taken too many deep drops when considering the OL the last few years on 3rd downs. Using the earlier metrics... I think I did a pretty good job of highlighting how the Vikings offense had way too many plays in obvious passing scenarios where there were too many passes short of the sticks.Β Using 2012mom's metrics... you can see why they were converting a smaller percentage of passing 3rd downs versus actual top 10 offenses.Β They were 23rd overall in 3rd & 8-10 and 9th overall in 3rd & 11+... that's a middle of the road offense in obvious passing scenarios despite being 4-5 deep with really good skill position players. The reality is that if in 2022 the Vikings do better with the same QB, same skill players and largely the same OL... it has to be scheme and that the improvement speaks directly to removing routes well short of the sticks. You took exception to my initial 11 word post saying "remove routes short of the sticks" and your rebuttal is was condescending "you don't watch football games" because you don't think any other opinion on this site matters than yours. It goes without saying that OBVIOUSLY NOT EVERY PASS ON 3RD DOWN GOES PAST THE STICKS AND SOMETIMES A RECEIVER NEEDS TO MAKE A PLAY. I'm just surprised that an 11 word quip isn't allowed and it now needs to be paragraphs with a dozen of qualifications to it... thanks. Edit- Stafford in 2021 vs Cousins in 2021... Β - Stafford averaged 15.9 YPA on 3rd & 8-10... Cousins averaged 6.0 Β - Stafford averaged 12.9 YPA on 3rd & 11+... Cousins averaged 8.8 Once again, if there is a big change on 3rd down passing... it's going to come from the play calling removing dump-off's well short of the sticks. Or else there needs to be better blocking to allow deep routes to break open, vs having to do dump offs to avoid the QB being sacked.
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Post by Vikeroo on Jun 7, 2022 18:38:31 GMT -6
Using the earlier metrics... I think I did a pretty good job of highlighting how the Vikings offense had way too many plays in obvious passing scenarios where there were too many passes short of the sticks. Using 2012mom's metrics... you can see why they were converting a smaller percentage of passing 3rd downs versus actual top 10 offenses. They were 23rd overall in 3rd & 8-10 and 9th overall in 3rd & 11+... that's a middle of the road offense in obvious passing scenarios despite being 4-5 deep with really good skill position players. The reality is that if in 2022 the Vikings do better with the same QB, same skill players and largely the same OL... it has to be scheme and that the improvement speaks directly to removing routes well short of the sticks. You took exception to my initial 11 word post saying "remove routes short of the sticks" and your rebuttal is was condescending "you don't watch football games" because you don't think any other opinion on this site matters than yours. It goes without saying that OBVIOUSLY NOT EVERY PASS ON 3RD DOWN GOES PAST THE STICKS AND SOMETIMES A RECEIVER NEEDS TO MAKE A PLAY. I'm just surprised that an 11 word quip isn't allowed and it now needs to be paragraphs with a dozen of qualifications to it... thanks. Edit- Stafford in 2021 vs Cousins in 2021... - Stafford averaged 15.9 YPA on 3rd & 8-10... Cousins averaged 6.0 - Stafford averaged 12.9 YPA on 3rd & 11+... Cousins averaged 8.8 Once again, if there is a big change on 3rd down passing... it's going to come from the play calling removing dump-off's well short of the sticks. Or else there needs to be better blocking to allow deep routes to break open, vs having to do dump offs to avoid the QB being sacked. And have plays designed to create more YAC.
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Post by Vikeroo on Jun 7, 2022 19:06:11 GMT -6
Not going to waste the time looking it up as this issue was debunked months back. Kirk had either the 2nd or 3 highest rate of throwing beyond the sticks of all QB's last year on 3rd downs. What you are saying is the issue is not the issue. I actually think Kirk is an example of simply throwing past the sticks is not the answer. There were issues with play design, play calls, kirk's decision making, OL execution, and Kirk's execution. Rams are an excellent example of a team designing plays well leading to Kupp's tremendous YAC even though he is not a burner. I agree Kirk has fatal flaws and there were flaws in the passing game design and play calling the last few years, but the issue you are harping on did not exist in reality. Infact they might have taken too many deep drops when considering the OL the last few years on 3rd downs. Using the earlier metrics... I think I did a pretty good job of highlighting how the Vikings offense had way too many plays in obvious passing scenarios where there were too many passes short of the sticks. Using 2012mom's metrics... you can see why they were converting a smaller percentage of passing 3rd downs versus actual top 10 offenses. They were 23rd overall in 3rd & 8-10 and 9th overall in 3rd & 11+... that's a middle of the road offense in obvious passing scenarios despite being 4-5 deep with really good skill position players. The reality is that if in 2022 the Vikings do better with the same QB, same skill players and largely the same OL... it has to be scheme and that the improvement speaks directly to removing routes well short of the sticks. You took exception to my initial 11 word post saying "remove routes short of the sticks" and your rebuttal is was condescending "you don't watch football games" because you don't think any other opinion on this site matters than yours. It goes without saying that OBVIOUSLY NOT EVERY PASS ON 3RD DOWN GOES PAST THE STICKS AND SOMETIMES A RECEIVER NEEDS TO MAKE A PLAY. I'm just surprised that an 11 word quip isn't allowed and it now needs to be paragraphs with a dozen of qualifications to it... thanks. Edit- Stafford in 2021 vs Cousins in 2021... - Stafford averaged 15.9 YPA on 3rd & 8-10... Cousins averaged 6.0 - Stafford averaged 12.9 YPA on 3rd & 11+... Cousins averaged 8.8 Once again, if there is a big change on 3rd down passing... it's going to come from the play calling removing dump-off's well short of the sticks. www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2021/passing_advanced.htm intended air yards are high for Kirk and YAC low. www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2021/passing_advanced.htm pressure rate and hits taken high. Bad play design of plays taking to long to develop for the ability of the OL to hold up. Kirk and Stafford had same average pocket time 2.4 but Stafford got 2/3rds the pressures and hits. YAC was closer then I thought at only .4 yards per completion between the Kirk and Stafford enough difference for 1 to be ranked 12th and other 22nd. .3 yards per attempt difference in air yards for Kirk and Stafford and both were above average in air yards per attempt 6th for Stafford and 7th for Kirk. Air yards per attempt is also interesting in that Stafford was #1 and Kirk #2 in air yards per attempt for pocket QB's when you break it down also with top 5 being filled with guys like Hurts/Jackson/Fields. Mahomes interestingly was 25th in air yards per attempt.
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Post by Vikeroo on Jun 7, 2022 19:17:11 GMT -6
Using the earlier metrics... I think I did a pretty good job of highlighting how the Vikings offense had way too many plays in obvious passing scenarios where there were too many passes short of the sticks. Using 2012mom's metrics... you can see why they were converting a smaller percentage of passing 3rd downs versus actual top 10 offenses. They were 23rd overall in 3rd & 8-10 and 9th overall in 3rd & 11+... that's a middle of the road offense in obvious passing scenarios despite being 4-5 deep with really good skill position players. The reality is that if in 2022 the Vikings do better with the same QB, same skill players and largely the same OL... it has to be scheme and that the improvement speaks directly to removing routes well short of the sticks. You took exception to my initial 11 word post saying "remove routes short of the sticks" and your rebuttal is was condescending "you don't watch football games" because you don't think any other opinion on this site matters than yours. It goes without saying that OBVIOUSLY NOT EVERY PASS ON 3RD DOWN GOES PAST THE STICKS AND SOMETIMES A RECEIVER NEEDS TO MAKE A PLAY. I'm just surprised that an 11 word quip isn't allowed and it now needs to be paragraphs with a dozen of qualifications to it... thanks. Edit- Stafford in 2021 vs Cousins in 2021... - Stafford averaged 15.9 YPA on 3rd & 8-10... Cousins averaged 6.0 - Stafford averaged 12.9 YPA on 3rd & 11+... Cousins averaged 8.8 Once again, if there is a big change on 3rd down passing... it's going to come from the play calling removing dump-off's well short of the sticks. www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2021/passing_advanced.htm intended air yards are high for Kirk and YAC low. www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2021/passing_advanced.htm pressure rate and hits taken high. Bad play design of plays taking to long to develop for the ability of the OL to hold up. Kirk and Stafford had same average pocket time 2.4 but Stafford got 2/3rds the pressures and hits. YAC was closer then I thought at only .4 yards per completion between the Kirk and Stafford enough difference for 1 to be ranked 12th and other 22nd. .3 yards per attempt difference in air yards for Kirk and Stafford and both were above average in air yards per attempt 6th for Stafford and 7th for Kirk. Air yards per attempt is also interesting in that Stafford was #1 and Kirk #2 in air yards per attempt for pocket QB's when you break it down also with top 5 being filled with guys like Hurts/Jackson/Fields. Mahomes interestingly was 25th in air yards per attempt. P.S. Kirk was 7th it seems in YPA on 3rd downs among qualified QB's in 2021. Interestingly Kyler Murray might have been the best 3rd down QB in the NFL last year at that surprised me. 118 rating on 3rd down throws and ranked #3 in YPA on 3rds. Burrow and Stafford were #1 and #2 in YPA on 3rd downs.
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