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Post by shawn3458 on Jun 6, 2022 11:20:40 GMT -6
Any play designed to have the FB touch the ball, or be earlier than a 5th option. If you lineup a FB and only use them as a blocker the defense never has to account for them and they become an undersized 6th OL. CJ touched the ball 24 times last year. He is just an undersized OL. I doubt any defense is sweating CJ Ham. I’d much rather see a more multiple guy out there.
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Post by skolvike on Jun 6, 2022 12:07:11 GMT -6
ALL OF THEM. Let KOC bring a brand new playbook. Even if there are duplicates, they'll have completely different language. I want a completely blank slate this year on both O and D. THet've already installed some of it in OTA's (Per KOC's pc) and they have 3 months before the season starts.
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Post by mjollnir on Jun 6, 2022 12:47:41 GMT -6
Any play designed to have the FB touch the ball, or be earlier than a 5th option. CJ actually bailed out a drive with a 30 yard run against Caroline. Actually out of his 7 runs 3 went for 1st downs, out of his 15 receptions 6 went for 1st Downs.
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Post by purplepunisher on Jun 6, 2022 12:50:09 GMT -6
The way the Chiefs blew the Purple People Eaters off the ball on that play...Maybe we should redesign and run it..
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Post by comet52 on Jun 6, 2022 14:57:18 GMT -6
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Post by 1angryviking on Jun 6, 2022 16:26:50 GMT -6
Any route on 3rd down that is short of the sticks Vikings threw short of the sticks less often then almost every team last year on 3rd down. They were 26th in the league in 3rd down conversions with a QB that completed 66% of his throws... Cousins checked down more than you recall.
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Post by Prටudhටrn on Jun 6, 2022 17:58:32 GMT -6
Vikings threw short of the sticks less often then almost every team last year on 3rd down. They were 26th in the league in 3rd down conversions with a QB that completed 66% of his throws... Cousins checked down more than you recall. Team 3rd down conversion % means diddly as to what QB is doing. Attachment DeletedAttachment DeletedAttachment DeletedAttachment Deleted
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Post by Prටudhටrn on Jun 6, 2022 17:59:20 GMT -6
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Post by Vikeroo on Jun 6, 2022 18:36:11 GMT -6
Vikings threw short of the sticks less often then almost every team last year on 3rd down. They were 26th in the league in 3rd down conversions with a QB that completed 66% of his throws... Cousins checked down more than you recall. He threw beyond the sticks at a higher rate on 3rd downs then almost all QB's last year. His completion % was not near 66% on 3rd downs and the OL was very porous on passing downs. You need to watch other teams as many throw short of the sticks and run draws or WR screens on 3rd and over 10 all the time. Just football man. The design of the plays, and design of the protections, and play call choices.
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Post by viperdk on Jun 6, 2022 19:51:35 GMT -6
Kubiak and Zimmer are gone. The playbook has already been purged
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Post by 1angryviking on Jun 6, 2022 21:27:48 GMT -6
Team 3rd down conversion % means diddly as to what QB is doing. <button disabled="" class="c-attachment-insert--linked o-btn--sm">Attachment Deleted</button> Pretty sure the QB means more than "diddly" in 3rd down passing conversions... and showing me passing stats on 3rd and 1 don't disprove my point. 3rd down & 8 -10... Cousins averaged 6 yards per attempt on 40 tries. Most attempts in the NFL 3rd down & 11+... Cousins averaged 8.8 yards per attempt on 40 tries. Most attempts in the NFL He is clearly throwing short of the sticks in obvious passing situations.
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Post by 2012mom on Jun 7, 2022 5:57:35 GMT -6
<button disabled="" class="c-attachment-insert--linked o-btn--sm">Attachment Deleted</button> Pretty sure the QB means more than "diddly" in 3rd down passing conversions... and showing me passing stats on 3rd and 1 don't disprove my point. 3rd down & 8 -10... Cousins averaged 6 yards per attempt on 40 tries. Most attempts in the NFL 3rd down & 11+... Cousins averaged 8.8 yards per attempt on 40 tries. Most attempts in the NFL He is clearly throwing short of the sticks in obvious passing situations. Where are you getting your data? According to Pro Football Reference, here are Cousins's stats on 3rd and 10+ Attempts: 53 Completions: 41 (77.36% completions) Yards: 450 Y/A: 8.5 1Ds: 15 You're right that he's throwing short of the sticks, but Y/A is not a meaningful way to show it, since Y/A includes incompletions. I think you meant to use Y/C, but the point is made by noting that he only had 15 first downs out of 41 completions. But if you do the calculation, he had a 10.98 Y/C average in 3rd and 10+, so part of the issue was facing 3rd downs longer than 10 yards due to sacks, TFL, and lots of penalties.
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Post by intrenched1 on Jun 7, 2022 6:44:15 GMT -6
I don't know, but keep the play where Bradberry catches a deflected pass and gains a first down.
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Post by 1angryviking on Jun 7, 2022 7:10:14 GMT -6
Pretty sure the QB means more than "diddly" in 3rd down passing conversions... and showing me passing stats on 3rd and 1 don't disprove my point. 3rd down & 8 -10... Cousins averaged 6 yards per attempt on 40 tries. Most attempts in the NFL 3rd down & 11+... Cousins averaged 8.8 yards per attempt on 40 tries. Most attempts in the NFL He is clearly throwing short of the sticks in obvious passing situations. Where are you getting your data? According to Pro Football Reference, here are Cousins's stats on 3rd and 10+ Attempts: 53 Completions: 41 (77.36% completions) Yards: 450 Y/A: 8.5 1Ds: 15 You're right that he's throwing short of the sticks, but Y/A is not a meaningful way to show it, since Y/A includes incompletions. I think you meant to use Y/C, but the point is made by noting that he only had 15 first downs out of 41 completions. But if you do the calculation, he had a 10.98 Y/C average in 3rd and 10+, so part of the issue was facing 3rd downs longer than 10 yards due to sacks, TFL, and lots of penalties. I was responding directly to Proudhorns stats; so, I used the same data point in his comment... Football Database - Where he ranks 23rd in Y/A among qualifying QB's on 3rd & 8-10 - Where he ranks 9th in Y/A among qualifying QB's on 3rd & 11+ Either way, not intended to be a Cousins rant. I have just seen entirely way too many 2 yard dump off's to the flat where the intended target had a defender draped all of them with no chance of conversion. I would rather them take a shot at converting rather than gaining 2 yards on 3rd & 7. Cousins is risk adverse and seems all too happy to take take a "positive completion" than risking an INT instead of Punt.. so eliminate that option.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2022 7:21:58 GMT -6
While Cousins is learning from his fifth new offensive coordinator in five years, this challenge is different. The Vikings’ offense under Kevin Stefanski, Gary Kubiak and Klint Kubiak were essentially speaking the same language and now he has to learn a whole new set of words to the point where he’s fluent. Still, Cousins said the bones of most NFL offenses are similar.
“There's only so much you can change,” Cousins said. “At the end of the day you do have these staple foundational pieces that are pretty consistent across the league.”
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