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Post by RF54 on Mar 18, 2022 17:15:32 GMT -6
If you are going to list Brady as a drafted QB, then it needs to be pointed out that he was passed by every single team imn the NFL 5 times! Including the team that took him in the 6th. NOBODY knew what he was going to be. So what? The Patriots had a good starting QB, yet they drafted one. And every 3-4 years while they had Brady, they drafted another one. GB still had Favre when they drafted Rodgers in the 1st. The 49ers brought in Young when they still had Montana. There have been quite a few Super Bowls won by teams that brought guys in to be backups who turned into Super Bowl winners or even MVPs, asI showed in my previous few posts. I've reason that I was glad to be rid of Rick was that he never had a deep QB bench, and that's been especially true with keeping Mannion. The drafted one that they thought would be a back-up at best. None of the other QBs they drafted were much, except maybe Garapolo who is so so. The Packers drafted all these QBs that have gone on to do nothing. The 9ers picked up Young from the USFL bust scrap heap. My point is there is no tried and true methop for finding a QB. Yes you have to try to find one, but drafting one, even 1st overall is no guarantee.
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Post by 2012mom on Mar 18, 2022 17:33:37 GMT -6
So what? The Patriots had a good starting QB, yet they drafted one. And every 3-4 years while they had Brady, they drafted another one. GB still had Favre when they drafted Rodgers in the 1st. The 49ers brought in Young when they still had Montana. There have been quite a few Super Bowls won by teams that brought guys in to be backups who turned into Super Bowl winners or even MVPs, asI showed in my previous few posts. I've reason that I was glad to be rid of Rick was that he never had a deep QB bench, and that's been especially true with keeping Mannion. The drafted one that they thought would be a back-up at best. None of the other QBs they drafted were much, except maybe Garapolo who is so so. The Packers drafted all these QBs thatΒ have gone on to do nothing.Β Β The 9ers picked up Young from the USFL bust scrap heap.Β Β My point is there is no tried and true methop for finding a QB.Β Yes you have to try to find one, but drafting one, even 1st overall is no guarantee. Of course there's no guarantee, or everyone would do it. The point is that you have to keep trying, and most often, Super Bowl winners have done it through the draft.
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Post by vr46 on Mar 18, 2022 23:35:31 GMT -6
The Packers drafted all these QBs that have gone on to do nothing. They have had unanimous first ballot HOF QBs for 30 years. Over that time they also developed and traded several significant QBs. And yes, they have also drafted several who have gone on and done nothing. But isn't that the point? Keep drafting and developing guys, keep the best, trade or cut the rest. Seems to be working pretty good for them. I know, pure luck.
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Post by mocha on Mar 19, 2022 6:08:00 GMT -6
Wrong again. The defense was at fault. Vikes had the lead in several games in the final minutes only to allow the opposing offense to score with ease. Get the facts right for Godβs sake. I donβt think Kirk is the best QB but he did not cost the team games last year. Rewatch and educate yourself a bit. I was referring to 2018 when Cousins was signed as a free agent vs 2017. I attended several games in person and Keenum was very impressive enroute to a 12 and 3 record, 1 fumble lost/7 int. Cousins came in the next year and had turnover issues (7 fumbles lost/10 interceptions) ending up 8-7-1 and missing playoffs. Those are facts and I'm convinced Vikings would have had a better record in 2018 if they kept Keenum (continuity factor and more cap space to improve other areas of the team.) And you mentioned wrong again. I don't recall ever being wrong before. But I could be wrong about that ;-) I stand corrected. Missed the timeframe.
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Post by RF54 on Mar 19, 2022 6:25:39 GMT -6
The Packers drafted all these QBs that have gone on to do nothing. They have had unanimous first ballot HOF QBs for 30 years. Over that time they also developed and traded several significant QBs. And yes, they have also drafted several who have gone on and done nothing. But isn't that the point? Keep drafting and developing guys, keep the best, trade or cut the rest. Seems to be working pretty good for them. I know, pure luck. The only one the Packers drafted was Rodgers, yeah great job, he has been outstanding... He also was able to sit and watch Brett Favre for 3 years and learn and not be thrown into the fire. That is a luxury 99% of QBs will never get. Hell even 9th round Brad Johnson went on to a pretty good career after sitting for several years and getting prepared to play. All the other QBs that the Packers have drafted have been less than average. Yes some were traded for and they went on to be busts. So yeah, I am starting to believe it takes some luck when it comes to finding a true franchise QB. Then you also need to take time a develop them before throwing them out to the wolves. I agree that we should always be looking for a QB but drafting them continually high because we don't have one will just lead to more failure. As far as drafting one to take them to the SB then I guess we should be looking in the 6th round because that is where the guy that has won the most was found.
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Post by vr46 on Mar 19, 2022 7:39:25 GMT -6
I'll take "things you type when you can't admit you're wrong" for $500 Alex...
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Post by JR44 on Mar 19, 2022 18:12:11 GMT -6
D Watson is getting 100 million more guaranteed . Kirks Contract is looking more reasonable by the day. Cousins is no where in Watsons league and he is not the QB that Stafford is, Stafford has the leadership, swag and passion for the game that Cousins painfully lacks and what prevents him for stepping up in big games.
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